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Old 12-30-2001, 10:38 PM   #1
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Question Why Don't 2K Legacy sedan seats fold?

does this have anything to do w/ the "ring" chasis designed for stiffness on the newer Legacies? I find it really annoying that the Subaru has simply dropped this feature off all its sedans, esp. when practically every other sedan in the market has it.
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Old 12-31-2001, 11:14 AM   #2
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subaru learned that in rear end collisions the rear seat that folded down came loose causing the people to get hurt-so they went back to the old set-up
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Old 12-31-2001, 11:21 AM   #3
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sorry, wrong forum...moving now
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Old 12-31-2001, 01:40 PM   #4
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Yep - for safety and rigidity.

The logic being that anyone who wants long load space/carrying ability is gonna buy a wagon (whether that is right or wrong I don't know).
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Old 12-31-2001, 04:03 PM   #5
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This is a bit of trivia, but the 90 sedans didn't have folding seats or a pass-through.

Told you it was trivial
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Old 12-31-2001, 07:24 PM   #6
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OK, I'll buy the safety argument, but then
why is it that the folks who build the 3 series,
A4/S4, Passat, Jetta, Camry, Accord etc... have
managed to "outsmart" Subaru and build sedans
w/ this feature that also do as well, or often
better in IIHS crash tests?
And I don't think that everyone who wants
folding seats will go for a wagon instead-
the nice thing about folding seats is they strike
a compromise and come in pretty handy,
w/o the loss in security, added weight and
difference in styling that a wagon brings.
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Old 12-31-2001, 08:41 PM   #7
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Legacy gets top rating in the IIHS test, so no one is outsmarting them in the safety department. Also that test is only front end impact. I'd like to have a fold down rear seat too, but that doesn't cause me to mistrust Subaru's engineers.

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Old 01-01-2002, 12:11 AM   #8
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Well, having seen how well the sedans do in side impacts (Imprezas incl), personally I am really happy.

IMHO this is a pretty honest company it seems - they want the people in the car to be protected - that is why the cars are heavier than many of their competitors (mostly relevant to the current WRX and Legacy - but the earlier models were known for being pretty good in real world *situations* too). They add protection in the knowledge that it adds weight and dents performance (taking the poor response of other markets to the current WRX into account here). The GD WRX is much heavier, and much safer, but also little slower than the GC.

Once again it comes back to cost vs. performance - in all aspects of *performance* the Subies tend to offer good value IMHO...if a purchasing decision is going to be made on the basis of long load carrying alone, point taken.
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Old 01-03-2002, 11:59 AM   #9
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thanks everyone, I wasn't saying Subies aren't safe- I simply meant that if you look at iihs.com's crash results, plenty of cars w/ split rear folding seats did as well or better (eg the Passat) than the Legacy. So I'm not sure safety is the reason, since other manufacturers can build / design safe sedans w/ folding seats, why couldn't Subaru? Is there another reason?
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Old 01-03-2002, 09:46 PM   #10
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????

The Legacy is the best performer in the class...and is only a hair behind the best in the class above, and performs far better than some big name Euro cars - look for yourselves:

http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...y_midinexp.htm

Really wondering where the issue is? Each maker has it's thoughts/theories/policies for making cars better/safer - the results tend to suggest that Subaru is doing a fairly good job.

As I said earlier, if it IS an issue, then go get something that meets your needs and wants m8.
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Old 01-07-2002, 12:23 PM   #11
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Same site shows several cars w/ better crash
worthiness, and folding seats, similar weight class. That's all I was trying to say. Just for example, look at VW Passat, BMW 3-Series, C-Class MB.

Folding seats aren't a minor ommission in a sedan. I mean its not like they skipped a color or ommitted leather in this model. If someone said "gee, Subaru got rid of that parking light switch on top of the steering column, everyone would say, no big deal!". But split rear seats are big functional feature that Subaru just, "poof" decided to drop all of a sudden. I don't get it. Look at all the flak they got for dropping sunroofs on the New Imprezza- so now it looks like they'll have them back in by next year.

anyhow, i know i know i know, if i want the feature, buy a diff. car. but Subie owner & lover, I shouldn't have to.

http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...html/00006.htm
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...html/00033.htm
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...html/98002.htm
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