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Old 08-13-2007, 11:40 AM   #1
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I posted last week about an oil leak in my 07 STI. Took it in on Friday for the dealer to rip apart. Today they tell me there's a crack in the block. This is a car with 1300 miles on it. Is this just a fluke?? The dealer is going to contact Subaru to see if they should replace the parts or the whole engine. Anyone seen anything like this in a new one?? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 08-13-2007, 11:55 AM   #2
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were you redlined for all of those 1300 miles?
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:06 PM   #3
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No. I followed the book on the under 4k for the first 1000 miles. I have a friend that had his replaced (lemon law) and he figures the issues he had were because he didnt follow the recommendation. I was very careful and even after I didnt get into it much at all. I called SOA and requested that they replace the entire engine rather than just parts. They said they would investigate or whatever they do and get back to me tomorrow.
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:08 PM   #4
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it could just be a manufactuering defect.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:35 PM   #5
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Heh what are they going to do? Get a new block and swap over your guts? It would be cheaper in terms of the labor involved to just replace your shortblock with a new factory one. Kinda sucks though, but that does sound like a manufacturing defect of some sort.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:38 PM   #6
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cracked? porous blocks are not all that uncommon straight from the factory. weve done 3 at my shop in the last year. last one i did had 9k on the odo and was leaking right under the PS pump. subaru has had us swap the whole SB.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:47 PM   #7
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I'm hoping they replace the whole engine. That would be cheapest labor wise. I called SOA and asked them about that. They said with the low mileage it's definetly an option. I may hear something tomorrow.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:16 PM   #8
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Heh what are they going to do? Get a new block and swap over your guts?

Actually...YES!

Unless you bitch to high heaven starting RIGHT NOW this might very well be the course that the Subaru tech line instructs the dealership to take.

I am still going through a situation with my car where it has a 10% leakdown on cylinder 1 giving me a misfire condition. It has taken rather extreme measures to get them to agree to replace the entire longblock rather than have a lemon law claim. Until this they were willing to just replace the piston rings on cylinder one after two weeks of testing EVERYTHING and coming up with nothing else wrong.

So it may sound harsh but put your concerns and your desired outcome in writing early and send them to SOA via FEDEX or something trackable. Otherwise be prepared for shenanigans of the highest sort.

Good luck.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:54 AM   #9
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Actually...YES!

Unless you bitch to high heaven starting RIGHT NOW this might very well be the course that the Subaru tech line instructs the dealership to take.

I am still going through a situation with my car where it has a 10% leakdown on cylinder 1 giving me a misfire condition. It has taken rather extreme measures to get them to agree to replace the entire longblock rather than have a lemon law claim. Until this they were willing to just replace the piston rings on cylinder one after two weeks of testing EVERYTHING and coming up with nothing else wrong.

So it may sound harsh but put your concerns and your desired outcome in writing early and send them to SOA via FEDEX or something trackable. Otherwise be prepared for shenanigans of the highest sort.

Good luck.
That's the goofiest thing I've ever heard. What kind of a tech wants to take the pay they get for warranty work and stretch it out over the course of the labor associated with swapping the internals of a shortblock into another shortblock? I mean think about it, that's like a billion dollars in labor and it might not even work right out of the box. I'm fairly certain that Subaru would rather pay the $1500 for a new assembled shortblock instead of paying for a new block and then the labor associated with the install, the rental for the customer, etc etc.

Not that I'm saying you're wrong - I just think that for Subaru to do that it is bad on both ends.
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:25 AM   #10
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You are not telling me and the dealership anything we did not already know...but the facts are what they are. Subaru would much rather spend weeks of the techs and my time and have a lemon claim than fix the problem QUICKLY and have a happy customer.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:29 AM   #11
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it be nice if soa offered a complete engine. and hey good luck getting the whole thing replaced. if it aint broke... their not gonna fix it.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:09 PM   #12
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doubtful if it will be a whole engine (longblock)

most likely theyll swap the shortblock and call it a day.
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Old 08-14-2007, 05:38 PM   #13
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The dealer called today. They havent heard back from SOA but they ordered a Short Block just to be ahead of the game. They also said the block didnt crack, said it looks like pin holes in an area, so hopefully there isnt any metal floating around. Guess maybe I'll hear more tomorrow.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:22 PM   #14
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Pin holes sounds like a bad casting. I saw one of those last year, a bad casting of a 2.5i engine... leaked oil all over. SOA sent a WHOLE new motor assembly (not just shortblock or longblock, but EVERYTHING including accessories)...

Everyone at the dealer said they've never seen SOA do that before, so don't expect everything to be replaced like that
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:53 PM   #15
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Pin holes sounds like a bad casting. I saw one of those last year, a bad casting of a 2.5i engine... leaked oil all over. SOA sent a WHOLE new motor assembly (not just shortblock or longblock, but EVERYTHING including accessories)...

Everyone at the dealer said they've never seen SOA do that before, so don't expect everything to be replaced like that
well....then count 2 people that have had this done. I believe mine is a complete assembly replacement.

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Old 08-15-2007, 07:36 AM   #16
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You need to demand a new block with internals bro, its your right. They are responsible for the labor too. See if you can keep the old block, maybe able to salvage some of it to sell.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:06 AM   #17
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Maybe RYOBI castings screwed up?
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:06 PM   #18
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I was right...mine is a complete assembly. Everything came in a fairly large crate already assembled ready for fluids, belts and hoses. It even includes a new intercooler.

I need to write up another thread after this is all said and done about how to better deal with this so others don't have to go through it.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:25 PM   #19
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Please excuse my ignorance here...

When they say "replace the short block", is that just the block and no internals?? And "longblock" is the block/heads/crank/pistons etc??
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Old 08-15-2007, 09:31 PM   #20
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short block is basically between the heads but above the oil pan. So think block, crank, pistons...that sort of stuff. Everything YOU should demand. I don't think your heads would be damaged but I don't know how much oil you were losing.

Long block is heads to oil pan.
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short block is basically between the heads but above the oil pan. So think block, crank, pistons...that sort of stuff. Everything YOU should demand. I don't think your heads would be damaged but I don't know how much oil you were losing.

Long block is heads to oil pan.
Thanks! Didnt hear anything yesterday, but I'll be calling today. The dealer has the short block on the way just in case thats what Subaru decides to do. It wasnt alot of oil, just enough to make a good mess. When I noticed it, and checked the oil, I didnt even think it was coming from the engine. The first time they had it, the tech said it was just a little low.
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Old 08-16-2007, 02:53 PM   #22
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Got a decision today. They are going to replace the short block and extend my warranty to 7yr/100k miles. Guess that will work
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told ya they would do it as such. no reason not to cover anyone in these instances.

but the guy that said you should get your old block back....aint gonna happen

ignore him.

its very very rare for SOA to replace full crate engines, but i have also heard of a few instances as well at other dealerships in rare cases. these stories are few and far between apparently. my guess is so they can get the full assemblies back for research into the issue.

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but the guy that said you should get your old block back....aint gonna happen

ignore him.

Hehehe...I did ask the service advisor at the dealer if I could have the parts, she said, uumm no. She said they send warranty parts back to somewhere.
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Hehehe...I did ask the service advisor at the dealer if I could have the parts, she said, uumm no. She said they send warranty parts back to somewhere.
Correct, whenever there is a warranty claim, 90% of the time, the parts are sent back to the manufacturer. Especially if it is a major component. We have to hold all parts replaced under warranty for 90 days before we can dispose of them. Most of the time they ask for them back, occasionally they don't.
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