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Old 08-16-2007, 09:51 PM   #1
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Default I/M vehicle testing subject of public meeting tonight

http://www.adn.com/email/pmbriefing/...-9141571c.html


You can also email your thoughts on I/M testing to improgram@muni.org


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Old 08-16-2007, 09:53 PM   #2
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Yeah I was reading that earlier. Told 00maddog he should go lol.

I think it should be done away with to a degree... at least restrict cars to having mufflers.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:53 PM   #3
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too late now. Oh well. i wont be here when my ride needs IM'd
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:08 AM   #4
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Dang just read this. Would have gone had I known. I think we should do away with I/M and just have a safety check.
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:33 PM   #5
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From the anchorage daily news.

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The city is trying to decide whether to keep, tweak or scrap a program that makes drivers get their cars inspected every two years.

This week, Anchorage motorists spoke up, in e-mails and at a public hearing, with many saying it's time for the inspection and maintenance program to go. They said the emissions testing program has already achieved what it was designed to do: curb pollution.

"It should be abolished. Period. Simple," John Smith -- a South Anchorage resident who drives a 1999 GMC pickup and '83 Buick -- told a city task force Thursday at the Loussac Library.

Fewer than a dozen people spoke at the meeting, though nearly 40 motorists e-mailed their views to the city.

A few supported the inspection requirements, while some called for the program to be scaled back or changed. The majority called for an end to the inspection program, which the city launched in 1985 to reduce carbon monoxide pollution.

In contrast, a March survey by Anchorage pollster Ivan Moore showed more widespread support for the inspection program. The poll asked about 650 Anchorage residents if "the benefit to Anchorage air quality is worth motorists' time and the cost of the I/M inspection?"

About 74 percent said yes.

When the city launched the I/M program, Anchorage routinely exceeded federal pollution standards, said Steve Morris, air quality program manager for the city.

Over the past 20 years, pollution levels have plummeted, according to the city. Anchorage hasn't broken the federal pollution limit since 1996, Morris said.

Meantime, car manufacturers are making cleaner-running cars. Today, nearly 90 percent of vehicles pass the emissions test on the first try, according to the city.

Vehicles that don't pass must be repaired at the owner's expense so that they emit less carbon monoxide.

Critics of the program see it as a cash cow for the city.

Motorists pay about $8.7 million a year to test, certify and repair their cars to meet I/M program requirements, Morris said.

About $1.7 million of that money goes to the city, which uses the money to run the program and to cover other air quality costs, he said. By state law, Morris said, that money can't be used for other purposes, such as police salaries or library books.

The average cost of an emissions test in Anchorage, including the $18 certification fee people pay the city, is about $58, according to a report prepared for the city by Sierra Research Inc.

For motorists who fail the test, the average repair bill is about $285.

In June, a task force created by Mayor Mark Begich began a series of meetings to decide whether it's time for the program to end, continue or change in some way.

Thursday the task force invited the public to weigh in. Chairman Brian Saylor, former director of the Institute of Circumpolar Health Studies at the University of Alaska Anchorage, told the small crowd that if the program is shelved and pollution levels rise, it could be very difficult to bring the inspections back.

He said vehicles that pass the inspection get better mileage, saving their owners about $100 per year in fuel costs.

Ilene Schick wrote the city on Wednesday, echoing the views of many e-mailers when she said the program no longer seems necessary.

"At one time, you had trouble driving ... because of the black clouds of exhaust from both school buses and those huge trucks. Seems that everyone has cleaned up their acts. The air is clear and clean," she wrote.

Among the city's options are making the I/M process less expensive for drivers, exempting more vehicles or requiring fewer inspections. Other types of testing -- such as a safety inspection -- could also be required.

George Herben lives near O'Malley Road, where Service and South high school students frequently drive near his home.

Herben told the task force Thursday he'd like to see cars inspected to make sure they don't exceed legal noise standards, and suggested a $400 fine for drivers who break the sound limits with roaring exhaust.

"You can't get away from it. It chases you into your house. It rattles your dishes," he said.

Morris said the task force hopes to recommend what the city should do with the inspection program by the end of September.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:06 PM   #6
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I would hope to think those that missed emailing coudl still email. I mean, there is nothing to loose really, like asking out that hot chick in school, or going for that new job offer, worst that can happen is it didnt go through.

Sounds promising to the point that at least they realize it needs to be modified for the cleaner burning cars, and perhaps, what is more important. Just sniffing for CO's or running a systems check of the ECU? or just making sure its not blowing smoke.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:09 PM   #7
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But the sound testing sounds a little harsh... but could correct the issue of loud trucks and hondas lol. because sure you could put stock parts on, get tested and pass but now cops are going to paying more attention to your car.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:16 PM   #8
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Yes, agree the noise testing seems harsh, not to mention the city needs to re-evaluate the tolerable levels of decibels for noise. According to someone at an Auto-x that was around as we discussed the noise ordinance, the "legal" limit is equivalent to a loud conversation. (not yelling, just loud)
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In anchorage, there is no legal limit. It is illegal to do any modification. this is straight from municode.com, which is where the officer that ticketed me sent me.
9.44.330 Muffler and exhaust system.
A. For the purpose of this section and if not otherwise modified in this section, the term "motor vehicle" means any motorized vehicle which is self-propelled, including but not limited to a minibike, go-cart, motorcycle, snowmachine or automobile. Vehicles operated on rails are exempt from regulation.
B. Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with a muffler and tight exhaust system in good working order and in constant operation to prevent:
1. Excessive or unusual noise; and
2. Fumes from escaping into the vehicle.
C. No person may use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device upon a vehicle nor may any person modify or change the exhaust muffler, intake muffler or any other noise abatement device of a motor vehicle in a manner such that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is increased above that emitted by the motor vehicle as originally manufactured.
D. The engine and power mechanism of a motor vehicle shall be equipped and adjusted so as to prevent the escape of excessive fumes or smoke.
E. No person may operate either a motor vehicle or combination of vehicles at any time or under any condition of grade, load, acceleration or deceleration in such a manner as to exceed the following noise limit standards:
1. No person may operate a motor vehicle, except in an event for which a permit has been obtained pursuant toChapter 15.70, with a noise level in excess of 85 dBA at 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel or the nearest property line, whichever is closer. Furthermore, no person may operate a motor vehicle in a residential area after 8:00 p.m. or before 8:00 a.m. with a noise level in excess of 75 dBA at 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel or the nearest property line, whichever is closer. However, nothing in this subsection E.1 shall be construed to permit the operation of a snowmachine in violation ofSection 9.42.040.
2. No new motor vehicle, except one designated for competition purposes only, may be sold or offered for sale unless engine noise produced by the vehicle is limited to not more than 85 dBA at 50 feet.
3. Subsection E of this section applies to the total noise from a vehicle or combination of vehicles and may not be construed as limiting or precluding the enforcement of any other provision of this Code relating to a motor vehicle muffler and exhaust system for noise control.
F. The police department shall adopt regulations and procedures for the accurate measurement of motor vehicle noise and provide for courtesy compliance testing.
(CAC 9.44.330; AO No. 78-72)
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:14 PM   #10
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IM's are bunk anyway... I've known several people who got cars to pass that had severe valve seal leaks etc. The cars would blow out oily residue at startup and smoke when driven...

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Old 08-17-2007, 05:35 PM   #11
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In anchorage, there is no legal limit. It is illegal to do any modification. this is straight from municode.com, which is where the officer that ticketed me sent me.
9.44.330 Muffler and exhaust system.
A. For the purpose of this section and if not otherwise modified in this section, the term "motor vehicle" means any motorized vehicle which is self-propelled, including but not limited to a minibike, go-cart, motorcycle, snowmachine or automobile. Vehicles operated on rails are exempt from regulation.
B. Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with a muffler and tight exhaust system in good working order and in constant operation to prevent:
1. Excessive or unusual noise; and
2. Fumes from escaping into the vehicle.
C. No person may use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device upon a vehicle nor may any person modify or change the exhaust muffler, intake muffler or any other noise abatement device of a motor vehicle in a manner such that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is increased above that emitted by the motor vehicle as originally manufactured.
D. The engine and power mechanism of a motor vehicle shall be equipped and adjusted so as to prevent the escape of excessive fumes or smoke.
E. No person may operate either a motor vehicle or combination of vehicles at any time or under any condition of grade, load, acceleration or deceleration in such a manner as to exceed the following noise limit standards:
1. No person may operate a motor vehicle, except in an event for which a permit has been obtained pursuant toChapter 15.70, with a noise level in excess of 85 dBA at 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel or the nearest property line, whichever is closer. Furthermore, no person may operate a motor vehicle in a residential area after 8:00 p.m. or before 8:00 a.m. with a noise level in excess of 75 dBA at 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel or the nearest property line, whichever is closer. However, nothing in this subsection E.1 shall be construed to permit the operation of a snowmachine in violation ofSection 9.42.040.
2. No new motor vehicle, except one designated for competition purposes only, may be sold or offered for sale unless engine noise produced by the vehicle is limited to not more than 85 dBA at 50 feet.
3. Subsection E of this section applies to the total noise from a vehicle or combination of vehicles and may not be construed as limiting or precluding the enforcement of any other provision of this Code relating to a motor vehicle muffler and exhaust system for noise control.
F. The police department shall adopt regulations and procedures for the accurate measurement of motor vehicle noise and provide for courtesy compliance testing.
(CAC 9.44.330; AO No. 78-72)
that is a complete BS law! then it should be illegal for any all a/m higher quality muffler shop to even sell them! i'm sick and tired of the cops harassing and annoying the cars with any kind of exhaust. i HATE loud exhausts, whether from a car or truck. there should be a sound requirement, or decibel restriction, otherwise, it's just another stupid law for the cops to pull you over and harass us.

as for IM, i believe it has it's purpose but needs to be changed. i agree with having a safety inspection vs an IM inspection.
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Old 08-17-2007, 05:43 PM   #12
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Just a cash cow for the freaking pigs in this city.

They pick on the imports because they are easy targets, the guys in the lifted no exhaust trucks are probably connected to the cops boss somehow
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:51 PM   #13
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This is why Im glad Im leaving AK in a few months. When our car got hit in the driveway the other day, when I got hit by a hit and run driver, when Bri had her accident a while back, when my friend had a piece of his cheek bitten off!! NO COPS WOULD SHOW UP. They said it wasnt worth the time. What the hell is that!! This city has the worse law enforcement program out of any city I have EVER been in, and Ive lived in over 20 different cities at one time or another. If they would stop following people for minor issues such as tint, and start paying attention to what matters, maybe I wouldnt have gotten threatened by some random guy with a wrench, or maybe a couple of my neighbors would still be among the living. Who knows...

Just liket he other day at the photo shoot when the cop pulled up and started writing out street racing tickets. WHAT THE *** IS THAT! We cant hang out now???


I dont hate cops, they help(or are supposed to) keep the city safe. My brother is actually in college right now to be a cop, but this city needs help...
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:07 PM   #14
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OK, so maybe my comment above was harsh. But the exhaust manipulation ordinance IS a bunch of crap, for as hope said, goign to Midas/etc is technically "altering" the exahust system

As for db limits, there are actual numbers somewhere posted by muni or state regrding appropriate noise levels for events and certain zoned areas. I recall one was low enough, it woudl be illegal to hold a littel league soccer game there.
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:48 PM   #15
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I say if they do enforce the noise levels, they had better be pulling over the trucks with glasspacks and flowmasters if they pull over subies and hondas.
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Old 08-17-2007, 07:59 PM   #16
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and the harleys and crotch rockets
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:04 PM   #17
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I say if they do enforce the noise levels, they had better be pulling over the trucks with glasspacks and flowmasters if they pull over subies and hondas.
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And thats all i have to say about that. Sorry Scoobytec.
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Old 08-17-2007, 08:05 PM   #18
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I might be able to see my dream of dropping a 04 STi Engine and Tranny into my 02 WRX!
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Old 08-17-2007, 09:43 PM   #19
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For me to come on here and see everyone getting mad at police, is rediculous... I plan on joining the APD within the next few years. The majority of the police will leave you alone if you dont be too harsh on the throttle, play it smart. They probably pull over the pickups but it happends more to us because we hear it more, or we just care about it because we drive an import. They more than likely use noise as a way to notice your car, thus seeing that your exhaust is not stock, thus able for you to get a ticket. I know about bringing unwanted attention to myself and my stripes.
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And thats all i have to say about that. Sorry Scoobytec.
thats ok i know its loud but it doesnt sound stupid like most of the other trucks in town and it isn't slow
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For me to come on here and see everyone getting mad at police, is rediculous... I plan on joining the APD within the next few years. The majority of the police will leave you alone if you dont be too harsh on the throttle, play it smart. They probably pull over the pickups but it happends more to us because we hear it more, or we just care about it because we drive an import. They more than likely use noise as a way to notice your car, thus seeing that your exhaust is not stock, thus able for you to get a ticket. I know about bringing unwanted attention to myself and my stripes.
Im not saying I dont like cops, hell, I havent gotten any tickets from APD ever. But from what Ive seen, its mostly imports who are getting them when there are plenty of other violations that are obvious.

Example:

Today as I was driving to the movies doing about 44 in a 40(muldoon), a truck came flying up on my ass, swerved and flew by me. My eyes aren't lydar certified but she had to be doing 60+. I couldnt help but notice the spiffy new impala sitting there as she flew by him still swerving in between traffic. But of course, what does the cop do? Pulls out and follows me. (I know this because I took a detour into the neighborhood over by holiday just to see if he was actually following me...) I know I didnt do anything wrong, but just the fact that he would let her go and follow me at the time was just retarted.
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I argue with the IM guys all the time over exhuast noise (being I'm 10 feet from them at work) My argument is they say it can't be louder than stock. So I ask tell me how loud a 1981 323i Grey market import BMW is stock? So I can't see how you can get a ticket and if you go to court isn't it the burden of the prosecuter to prove it's louder stock. even with a noise meter unless they found a car that was know to be bone stock and measured it they don't even know what it is stock....I'm glad none of my cars are loud enough for anyone to care...

With noise it's nearly imposible to say I've heard 100s of ford F-150s and that one is louder cause I say it is...without a noise meter reading following the procedure in title 15.70 done against your car and also done against a known stock car I don't see how the officer saying it's louder so it must be true would fly. If the inocent till guilty rule applies it's up to the court to prove it's louder, not for you to prove it's not louder.

But the code posted above is only the one the police use, the actual noise ordinance is more restrictive, but rarely used for cars, because we don't pull over cars (even though the noise ordinance says we can) we leave that to the guys with guns and blue and red lights...

Here is the code for vehicals if the cops used this code alot more of us would get tickets...this is what the IM guys use when you have to get a fix it ticket checked. The IM guys would love to give tickets to the muffler shops installing the mufflers, but unless it's a law they can't do it.
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15.70.090 Motor vehicle noise emission standards.
A. No person shall operate or cause to be operated a motor vehicle or motorcycle on a public right-of-way at any time in such a manner that the sound level emitted by the motor vehicle or motorcycle exceeds the level set forth in table 2 when measured at 50 feet or more or an equivalent sound level at some other convenient distance according to testing procedures established pursuant toSection 15.70.040.B.1.

TABLE 2. MOTOR VEHICLE NOISE EMISSION STANDARDS


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Motor vehicle of GVWR or GCWR of 10,000 pounds or more engaged in interstate commerce 86 90 88 All other motor vehicles of GVWR or GCWR of 10,000 pounds or more 86 90 -- Any motorcycle 76 80 -- Any other motor vehicle and any combination of vehicles towed by such motor vehicle 76 80 --
B. No person shall operate or cause or allow to be operated any motor vehicle or motorcycle not equipped with a muffler or other sound-dissipative device in good working order and in constant operation. No person shall remove or render inoperative or cause or allow to be removed or rendered inoperative other than for purposes of maintenance, repair or replacement any muffler or sound-dissipative device on a motor vehicle or motorcycle.

C. No person shall sound any horn or other auditory signaling device on or in any motor vehicle on any public right-of-way or public space, except as a warning of danger or as otherwise specifically required by federal or state law orTitle 9. No person shall sound any horn or other auditory signaling device that produces a sound level in excess of 90 dB(A) at 100 feet (30.5 meters).

D. No person shall on or after January 1, 1979, operate or permit the operation of the compacting mechanism of any motor vehicle that compacts refuse and creates during the compacting cycle a sound level in excess of 86 dB(A) at 50 feet (15 meters) or more from any point on the vehicle. Between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. the following day, in a noise-sensitive zone, no person shall collect refuse with a refuse collection vehicle or operate or permit the operation of the compacting mechanism of a vehicle that compacts refuse. Between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. the following day, no person shall collect refuse with a refuse collection vehicle or operate or permit the operation of the compacting mechanism of a vehicle that compacts refuse in such a manner as to create a noise disturbance across a residential real property boundary.

E. No person shall operate or permit the operation of any motor vehicle operating for the purpose of removing snow if at any time the motor vehicle produces a sound level in excess of the level set forth in table 2 at a distance of 50 feet (15 meters) or more from any point on the vehicle. As provided inSection 15.70.080.C, such motor vehicles are exempt from complying with the sound levels set forth in table 1 when operating on public rights-of-way. Such motor vehicles operating off a public right-of-way for the purpose of removing snow may be exempt from complying with the sound levels of table 1 when operating in compliance with the terms and conditions of a permit issued pursuant toSection 15.70.070.A.

F. No person shall operate or permit the operation of any motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating in excess of 10,000 pounds or any auxiliary equipment attached to such a vehicle for a period longer than ten minutes in any hour while the vehicle is stationary for reasons other than traffic congestion on private property or a public right-of-way or public space within 150 feet (46 meters) of a residential area or designated noise-sensitive zone between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 7:00 a.m. the following day.

G. Except as permitted inSection 15.70.070.A for motor vehicle racing events, no person shall operate or cause to be operated any recreational motorized vehicle off a public right-of-way in such a manner that the sound level emitted therefrom exceeds the limits set forth in table 3 at a distance of 50 feet (15 meters) or more from the path of the vehicle when operated on a public space or at or across the boundary of private property when operated on private property. This section shall apply to all recreational motorized vehicles, whether or not duly licensed and registered, including but not limited to commercial or noncommercial racing vehicles, motorcycles, go-carts, snowmobiles, amphibious craft, campers and dune buggies, but not including motorboats.
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I wish they would pull over more loud cars. I hear street races on Dimond and I'm 1/2 a mile away it gets annoying when it wakes you up at 2 am. The city could go after the shops for installing loud mufflers, but in the end the consumer is the one that said put it in...
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Ill have to read that tomorrow.. gettin kinda tired... I hate switching shifts...
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Old 08-18-2007, 07:26 AM   #24
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I really REALLY despise IM. I'd be okay with it if it were like this:

You show up to the shop, they stick a sensor in your exhaust, measure the gases let out. That's it. This "Oh you have an check engine light? Instant fail." My knock sensor going bunk isn't going to contribute to pollution. It was $100 when I didn't have $100 to spend.
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A friend has taken all the emissions equipement off of his Z. He showed me his tests when he first got the car and the latest test. Its cleaner now then it was with the emissions equipement on.
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