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Old 08-22-2007, 03:36 PM   #1
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Default I suck at auto-x! :-)

Tried auto-x for the first time last weekend. I've got a fair amount of HPDE experience and run in the "advanced" (3) group.

I had heard that auto-x skills and HPDE skills were NOT interchangable. After my first experience at auto-x, I'd agree that's true!

On the plus side, I did improve my time by a second each subsequent run. No cones and no offs.

It was fun, but I prefer HPDE. Auto-x was a LOT of hanging around for literally 4 minutes of track time. However, any day spent with cars and "car guys" is a good day! Certainly a big advantage of auto-x is the price of admission. It's a LOT cheaper than HPDEs.

Here's a video complilation of my three runs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B4Y1W4_mMM

Be gentle and don't laugh too much!

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Old 08-22-2007, 03:43 PM   #2
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I'll have to watch your video when I get home but yeah, auto-x is fun. I enjoy it and your right. It is about 4 minutes of fun you spend all day waiting for lol.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:51 PM   #3
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Depends what organization you go to. The more expensive organizations like the Lotus Clubs are 50 dollar autocrosses, but you get more than 10 minutes of fun.
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Old 08-22-2007, 04:10 PM   #4
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If you're only getting 4 minutes of "fun" out of a day of autocross, methinks you must not be a car geek.
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Old 08-22-2007, 04:12 PM   #5
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Wait................you sure that was a AutoX...........that is a HPDE in Disquise....... I counted maybe 12 cones..total for the whole course.......wow for all that.......

Decent runs...shift to 3rd that way you not so peaky.....=More control, better feel..
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Old 08-22-2007, 04:54 PM   #6
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Wait................you sure that was a AutoX...........that is a HPDE in Disquise....... I counted maybe 12 cones..total for the whole course.......wow for all that.......

Decent runs...shift to 3rd that way you not so peaky.....=More control, better feel..
Yeah... It was an unusual auto-x course. It's actually the kart course at Moroso. Apparently, at the previous event, they didn't even put up the slalom cones on the straights. So, it was kind of like a "mini road course."

Nonetheless, the speeds were nowhere near what I get up to on the real road course only a couple hundred yards away. And, during the HPDEs, I'm on the track close to 2 hours.

I agree about 3rd gear.

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Old 08-22-2007, 04:56 PM   #7
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If you're only getting 4 minutes of "fun" out of a day of autocross, methinks you must not be a car geek.
I DID say that "any day with cars and car guys is a good day."

Me? Not a car geek??? I created a whole website just for my car MANIA: www.racingdentist.com. And, I bought the 2-acre lot behind my house JUST so I'd have a place to build my future dream garage!

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Old 08-22-2007, 05:23 PM   #8
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Its a good thing they had those pointer cones on the last couple of corners.

You should try one where they set up the course on a runway or open parking lot. As learning to navigate the sea of cones is half the fun.

Good job for the first autox. I do think you could take better advantage of the pavement you had available based on the in car video.

There is a lot of sitting around relative to the seat time, but usually that seat time is a little more intense (despite the lower speeds compared to an hpde).

I'm guessing your area of the country has many opportunities to autocross.
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Old 08-22-2007, 05:29 PM   #9
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Good job for the first autox. I do think you could take better advantage of the pavement you had available based on the in car video.



I'm guessing your area of the country has many opportunities to autocross.
Yep... didn't use the whole track.

South Florida has tons of motorsports activities. Tons of auto-x and tons of HPDEs. I've got three great tracks within 2-1/2 hours of my house. Moroso is only 20 minutes away. Then we've got Homestead Speedway in Miami and also the world-famous Sebring track.

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Old 08-22-2007, 06:02 PM   #10
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Wait................you sure that was a AutoX...........that is a HPDE in Disquise....... I counted maybe 12 cones..total for the whole course.......wow for all that.......

Decent runs...shift to 3rd that way you not so peaky.....=More control, better feel..
Bill...thats where the Florida State Championship is going to be this year.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:17 PM   #11
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yes... i bookmarked his run so I can study it...
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Old 08-23-2007, 09:22 AM   #12
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Having fun is what it's really all about, first and foremost. Secondly, it's a safe and cheap alternative to your hpde's and track days as you (generally) don't have to worry about rolling over or hitting a wall.

You'll be suprised as to how much you'll pickup after a full season of autocrossing that you can translate and use at your HPDEs or track days.
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Old 08-23-2007, 09:33 AM   #13
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Having fun is what it's really all about, first and foremost. Secondly, it's a safe and cheap alternative to your hpde's and track days as you (generally) don't have to worry about rolling over or hitting a wall.

You'll be suprised as to how much you'll pickup after a full season of autocrossing that you can translate and use at your HPDEs or track days.

No doubt. I wasn't there to really compete. Ha! There were PLENTY of other guys who are QUITE serious about the competition. I didn't stand a chance. So, in many ways, it's a relief to NOT be competing and just have a good time. Definitely safer and cheaper than HPDEs. But, I won't give HPDEs up.

But, I was happy for the opportunity to thrash my newly rebuilt engine.

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Old 08-23-2007, 10:34 AM   #14
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Mike,
I have actually found a few things that do translate.. but i feel its an easier transistion from AutoX to HPDE... than the other way..

practice in smooth inputs, slow-in-fast out, trail-braking etc etc.. it all translates..

I remember earlier this season.. I took a week off from autoX.. went to an HPDE... then back to autoX the following week...

OH man.. did I suck.. my first two runs were embarrassing.. I remember going through a gate, then looking to my right to see another gate with 3 pointer cones.. pointing to the right...

something like:


me_______ >>>X_____ X

there's a definate pace difference..


the nice thing aboot autoX is you can see you improvements instantly... (I guess you could too, if you had a lap-timer display). make a run.. come off course talk to friends, help people get faster.. watch people, get faster yourself.. be a cheer-leader...

I have friends in palm beach co. and have considered relocating..

maybe next time I'm down visiting.. you'll let me co-drive at an autoX or just go get a beer.

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Old 08-23-2007, 10:57 AM   #15
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Yeah... we had a lap timer display, which was cool. I dropped a full second each run. So, at least I knew I was getting better. But, the HPDE-er in me wanted to go right around for another lap, right away!

Definitely let me know if you're in the area.

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Old 08-23-2007, 11:31 AM   #16
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A signficant difference between Track and AutoX is the line. On the track you will try to take an ideal line through a turn to maxamize your exit speed to carry the speed onto the straights. In AutoX you will almost always benefit from taking the shortest line through an AutoX element as opposed to the ideal line. There is rarely ever a straight to carry speed onto.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:46 AM   #17
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Are you going to be at the Sept 2 event? If so might it be possible to co-drive with you? I'm coming up from Canada and am attending that event! It would be amazing to have a fellow subie driver to hang out with out there! I can show you some things about auto-xing the subie (I'm the local Street Tire champ over here ). PM me if you think it might work, otherwise glad you had fun!
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:12 PM   #18
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In AutoX you will almost always benefit from taking the shortest line through an AutoX element as opposed to the ideal line. There is rarely ever a straight to carry speed onto.
Unless you're in HS or FSP.. then there are straights all over the place. You'll hear these referred to as 'momentum cars' in autocross.. since the ideal line is often much faster than the shortest line.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:33 PM   #19
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Unless you're in HS or FSP.. then there are straights all over the place. You'll hear these referred to as 'momentum cars' in autocross.. since the ideal line is often much faster than the shortest line.
Uh, no. The slower the car, the more important the shortest line is. When you get into AS/SS cars or CM/BM/AM cars, then the line shifts to more of a roadrace line.

Note: "Ideal Line" is a bad comparitor. In autocross, the ideal line is the shortest distance. In DE, the ideal line is the one that yeilds the highest speed onto the straight. In W2W, the ideal line is the one that puts you in front of the other guy.

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Old 08-23-2007, 02:06 PM   #20
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Note: "Ideal Line" is a bad comparitor. In autocross, the ideal line is the shortest distance. In DE, the ideal line is the one that yeilds the highest speed onto the straight. In W2W, the ideal line is the one that puts you in front of the other guy.
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Old 08-23-2007, 02:35 PM   #21
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Uh, no. The slower the car, the more important the shortest line is.
I'll take your word for it. I'm going off my limited experience in FSP where I got faster times by 'using all the track' since my car had poor acceleration but excellent grip.
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Old 08-23-2007, 04:40 PM   #23
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Are you going to be at the Sept 2 event? If so might it be possible to co-drive with you? I'm coming up from Canada and am attending that event! It would be amazing to have a fellow subie driver to hang out with out there! I can show you some things about auto-xing the subie (I'm the local Street Tire champ over here ). PM me if you think it might work, otherwise glad you had fun!
Don't know, yet. I'll post here if I plan to sign up, though.
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:17 AM   #24
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Mike, see this posting about a road racers 1st AX:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1322291
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very nice layout of the track.
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