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Old 08-22-2007, 06:09 PM   #1
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I actually tuned this car about 1 year ago.. He added 1 step colder plugs and we switched to a TXS Map sensor. I did a few pulls and to my suprise it made about the same power.. plus 5 more whp..

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Old 08-22-2007, 06:18 PM   #2
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Race gas?
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:20 PM   #3
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:20 PM   #4
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Wow,.that's pretty good,.it took Meth for me to get 408hp/407tq.

I'm running almost identical setup.

In fact, I'm seeing more that I did.

Jezz,.you did good brother.

What's the boost set at?
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:20 PM   #5
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:22 PM   #6
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Sorry. forgot to post the boost.. 22psi
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:22 PM   #7
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dam..i cant wait to see u in a few days for my tune.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:39 PM   #8
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tmic, pump gas?

im sorry dude, but im calling bs on these posts from you lately.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:54 PM   #9
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tmic, pump gas?

im sorry dude, but im calling bs on these posts from you lately.

Its not Junior's fault... that dyno is set up to read really high. It did it when Al was using it and its still doing it now. Get rid of that lame correction factor!

BTW, why is this curve so jumpy? I'm not used to seeing DD curves like this.

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Old 08-22-2007, 07:39 PM   #10
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tmic, pump gas?

im sorry dude, but im calling bs on these posts from you lately.
Remember they are just numbers. Every dyno is different. Plus there are cars out there that run good numbers on TMIC and pump gas. What's more important is how the car drives and his 1/4 times.
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:40 PM   #11
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Yeah. The graph looks amazing. The tuning must be spot on and I know it is because junior tuned it. However. I think you need to turn the dyno back down to factory specs. Its turned up 15 to 20% is my guess. THe only way to explain the small dips and jumps is that the utec is probably toggling between load sites cause a .5 to 1 degree change in timing. I would have to see a log. However. You would never feel this on the road and its not a big deal. Its hard to get a UTec to run super smooth because its a 10X10 map.

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Old 08-22-2007, 08:12 PM   #12
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Same car from this post.. I removed the "extra" correction that was used previously on the dyno.. Made the same power it did when I tuned it on the DynoJet... Car has always made good power.. The dips are like Clark mentioned small shifts between load sites.. You dont feel them on the street.

I dont want to be associated with the "other" correction factor that was used.. I didnt go from dyno to dyno trying to match other Dynos.. I could careless... This car with correction OFF makes in the 380whp range.. The car on the street is a monster.. Feels like a VF39 but with ALOT more power.. Like I have always done the 1/4mile is the measuring stick.. I made 310 with the same correction factor on a FV39 5spd car, its trapped 114.XX Almost 115
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:25 PM   #13
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Was there this morning to see this done , nice job , BTW you forget to mention the guy want's to sell , so if anyone want to see if it's for real they should buy the car.

BTW how come my dyno sheet don't get any love from my tuner guess I got to wait till I get a turbo that's worthy
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Old 08-22-2007, 08:58 PM   #14
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Wow, now that's impressive for pump + a 50 trim! Good tune!
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:29 PM   #15
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Its not Junior's fault... that dyno is set up to read really high. It did it when Al was using it and its still doing it now. Get rid of that lame correction factor!

BTW, why is this curve so jumpy? I'm not used to seeing DD curves like this.

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I actually tuned on this dyno last night. I make Jimmy do the pulls in 4th gear for STi's and set the correction to 1.10.. I'm not a dyno queen numbers chaser, I just like to make sure the car is being loaded properly so that the road tune goes smoothly. My guess is that this car was pulled in third and the CF was set to 1.20 since that seems to be the DJ correction number, or at least that is what Jimmy told me.

I tuned an 06 Stage II STi which turned out 312whp and 345wtq at the settings above, and that seemed to be pretty close to what it should be making for 20psi with an Invidia Race TBE.

So long as the customer is happy, that's all that matters.
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Old 08-22-2007, 09:30 PM   #16
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tmic, pump gas?

im sorry dude, but im calling bs on these posts from you lately.

I think you're used to seeing people run these turbos on 17-18 psi, where they barely break 330-340whp. On a high reading dyno and on 22 psi, I don't have much trouble believing it. It's an FP green on an STi, after all. What did you expect ;P
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:11 PM   #17
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I actually tuned on this dyno last night. I make Jimmy do the pulls in 4th gear for STi's and set the correction to 1.10.. I'm not a dyno queen numbers chaser, I just like to make sure the car is being loaded properly so that the road tune goes smoothly. My guess is that this car was pulled in third and the CF was set to 1.20 since that seems to be the DJ correction number, or at least that is what Jimmy told me.

I tuned an 06 Stage II STi which turned out 312whp and 345wtq at the settings above, and that seemed to be pretty close to what it should be making for 20psi with an Invidia Race TBE.

So long as the customer is happy, that's all that matters.
I use 4th as well.. I dont know why 3rd gear was previously used.. 1.15 correction as well.. Same one that we used on Boners car when it trapped 114(5SPD) and made in the 310 range.. Im the furthest from a dyno queen most of you guys know that... I wish the owner would take it to the track... but he wont..
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:42 PM   #18
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Holy Hell. My FPGreen isn't even in the same ballpark as those numbers on just 93... Jebus...
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:48 PM   #19
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Holy Hell. My FPGreen isn't even in the same ballpark as those numbers on just 93... Jebus...
what did yours run?
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Old 08-23-2007, 03:45 AM   #20
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I use 4th as well.. I dont know why 3rd gear was previously used.. 1.15 correction as well.. Same one that we used on Boners car when it trapped 114(5SPD) and made in the 310 range.. Im the furthest from a dyno queen most of you guys know that... I wish the owner would take it to the track... but he wont..
Junior,

Why do you use a correction/inflation factor at all? Why not just go with the raw DD numbers like everyone used to?

With regard to the 310whp/114mph trap correlation, while those are great numbers, they were done on a 5MT car. Not only is there one less shift involved at the very end of the track, but the WRX's are lighter as well. Its really not a fair point of reference to use for 6MT STI's.

Anyway, all that being said, I want to compliment you on this tune because the general shape of the curve looks terrific and even without the inflation factor, this car is making ~343whp. This is no small feat with an IWG, small TMIC and pump gas.

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Vaus - Jr. ran on an uncorrected unsmoothed (0) dynojet for years, he is not a stickler for numbers, but more for trap speeds. No one is questioning your road dyno software - junior also offered his dynojet comparison of the prior tune. I think this forum has turned into tuner nitpicking - Jr doesn't have anything to prove.
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:27 AM   #22
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Last time I was at the Shop and had my 18g+meth tuned I actually got both dyno plots for the dynojet corrected (368)numbers and the raw dyno dynamics numbers.(330) It was about 40HP difference. Junior tuned it BTW.
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Last time I was at the Shop and had my 18g+meth tuned I actually got both dyno plots for the dynojet corrected (368)numbers and the raw dyno dynamics numbers.(330) It was about 40HP difference. Junior tuned it BTW.
That's approximately a 12% inflation factor .

I honestly just don't understand why tuners use inflation factors like this... especially the ones who say they're not concerned with numbers. All these factors do is exaggerate overall numbers and gains and then other tuners feel the need to do the same to keep up... Soon we'll have 600whp FP Green Cars

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That's approximately a 12% inflation factor .

I honestly just don't understand why tuners use inflation factors like this... especially the ones who say they're not concerned with numbers. All these factors do is exaggerate overall numbers and gains and then other tuners feel the need to do the same to keep up... Soon we'll have 600whp FP Green Cars

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What are you talking about? I'm tuning a 450whp VF39 StageII STi right now..

On 87 Octane.
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Old 08-23-2007, 01:11 PM   #25
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Now now guys ... Like usual I will back these "inflated" numbers up... Last time the "inflation" card was thrown on the 350whp STI, I took the car to the track and trapped 115 with it...
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