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Old 10-08-2016, 12:24 PM   #1
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Default I want to track but... AHHHH!!!!

Whats upppp! So im looking to track my 2010 sti but i just feel like my motor is going to go.

Here are my basics

Cosworth short block
Gtx3582r .82
Tomei 252 pon cams
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Ive put money in this car... more than i wanted. But i really want to track or at least autox. Has anyone had a cosworth shorty and 25 psi? How much can they hold reliably? Should a compression test supply me my answers? Thanks for taking a look at my stupid question.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:29 PM   #2
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So the first thing you need to understand is that on the track and in autocross, the car doesn't matter at all at your level. Seat time is everything. Back in the day, I pulled down fastest time of the year in a 90 BMW M3 in the BMW CCA autocross series. Want to know what car was second? A brand new Neon ACR driven by a seasoned SCCA autocrosser. I was an autocross instructor at the time. He was a fraction of a second off my time.

If you want to learn to go fast, be stock and safe. Having all these unreliable or questionable mods won't help you learn and won't make you fast. They will put you in a higher class so you'll have an even harder time catching the pack.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:39 PM   #3
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^ this is 100% correct. Never learn to drive with anything too fast, the slower the better, for the learning curve.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:53 PM   #4
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^ this is 100% correct. Never learn to drive with anything too fast, the slower the better, for the learning curve.
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That, and it's more fun to drive a slow car fast blah blah blah.

Really though, the saying is true. I would much rather beat the living out of an 89 Festiva and give zero ****s about it than try to drive a McLaren etc... at anything approaching a competitive pace. This is supposed to be fun, not stressful!

OP, by an old Miata/E30/Civic/ Fiesta (serious) and do some basic track prep (tires, pads safety gear) and have fun with it for a few seasons. If you ball it up you're out a couple grand assuming you just walk away from it and not part it out.
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Old 10-08-2016, 01:22 PM   #5
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Get a miata or old BMW m3 to learn on

We had a guy with a modified cayman on his second event flip the thing because it was faster than he could handle and never saw him again which is a shame because he was a nice guy but the car was toast (he walked away no injuries as did his instructor)
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Old 10-08-2016, 01:58 PM   #6
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I've had a couple of Miatas, they are lots of fun and my first entry into driving.
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Old 10-08-2016, 03:58 PM   #7
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Cheap cars have cheap parts and if you plan to track you will break stuff. The more expensive the car the more it will cost to keep it on track.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:19 PM   #8
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You could always retune for less boost... Maybe just run 21 psi or something.

I agree with the slow and steady argument though. You wouldn't try cutting up potatoes at lightning speed your first time trying, would you?
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:30 PM   #9
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You should definitely do a compression test and have the rest of the car checked out to make sure it is ok for track /autox duty. Doing an autox would be much less strain on the car, is cheaper and safer.

I think most of these posts would be relevant if you were still stock or mildly modified and wanted to get more mods. Seat time is definitely the most important thing. For most people getting a second car may not be feasible or the right thing to do so you might has well run what you got.
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Old 10-09-2016, 12:00 PM   #10
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OP. Take all of the advice above. Just go do an auto x in a flat parking lot with cones. Very little chance of going to fast and destroying your car. Learn your car and how it handles. After a few of those, then go do a track day where the risk is higher for going off track and hitting things.
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Old 10-09-2016, 08:42 PM   #11
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I got into autocross after modding my car. I was put into Street Modified which is a class for of dedicated racecars and I can't really compete
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Old 10-09-2016, 08:53 PM   #12
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So the first thing you need to understand is that on the track and in autocross, the car doesn't matter at all at your level. Seat time is everything. Back in the day, I pulled down fastest time of the year in a 90 BMW M3 in the BMW CCA autocross series. Want to know what car was second? A brand new Neon ACR driven by a seasoned SCCA autocrosser. I was an autocross instructor at the time. He was a fraction of a second off my time.

If you want to learn to go fast, be stock and safe. Having all these unreliable or questionable mods won't help you learn and won't make you fast. They will put you in a higher class so you'll have an even harder time catching the pack.
I appreciate the advice, but i have lots of track experience, racing spec miata.
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Old 10-13-2016, 12:14 AM   #13
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how about the cooling system?
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Old 10-13-2016, 03:25 AM   #14
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Just curious here, but where does your turbo start to spool at? Auto X might be kind of a frustrating experience if you're not even getting a decent chunk of power where you need it.
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Old 10-13-2016, 06:34 AM   #15
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If you want to run your car, you need two things, an accusump to protect the engine, and a spare car, or the ability to get to work on Monday if anything goes wrong.

Your gut is trying to tell you something.
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Old 10-13-2016, 01:07 PM   #16
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Ive put money in this car... more than i wanted. But i really want to track or at least autox. Has anyone had a cosworth shorty and 25 psi? How much can they hold reliably? Should a compression test supply me my answers? Thanks for taking a look at my stupid question.
Every piece of equipment has a Duty Cycle.
that's it.
I don't care what you made that thing out of unless every part is either titanium or inconel, if you run 25psi for an hour straight it's gonna melt.

A motor holding up for a decade with the occasional WOT run here and there is totally different than holding up on a track at WOT for 80% of 2 hours.
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Old 10-13-2016, 03:35 PM   #17
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If you want to run your car, you need two things, an accusump to protect the engine, and a spare car, or the ability to get to work on Monday if anything goes wrong.

Your gut is trying to tell you something.
x2 on the spare car. It amazes me how many people beat the crap out of their only means of transportation. (But I can't hate too much because I did the same thing when I was young and dumb )
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Old 12-01-2016, 01:57 PM   #18
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So then do you guys track your cars? I already have a Miata that i boosted my self. But I want to track my STI.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:10 PM   #19
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I appreciate the advice, but i have lots of track experience, racing spec miata.
So do what you're doing. It's what I did. Run the little engine car on the track and the expensive car on the street.

Slower than a spec miata but just as fun nearly crawling into the engine compartment of a 458 Italia coming into the corners.

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Old 12-01-2016, 08:17 PM   #20
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Nice cams, btw. I had them in my last WRX and most likely have them in my '08 STi once the time is right.
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Old 12-01-2016, 09:00 PM   #21
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So the first thing you need to understand is that on the track and in autocross, the car doesn't matter at all at your level. Seat time is everything. Back in the day, I pulled down fastest time of the year in a 90 BMW M3 in the BMW CCA autocross series. Want to know what car was second? A brand new Neon ACR driven by a seasoned SCCA autocrosser. I was an autocross instructor at the time. He was a fraction of a second off my time.

If you want to learn to go fast, be stock and safe. Having all these unreliable or questionable mods won't help you learn and won't make you fast. They will put you in a higher class so you'll have an even harder time catching the pack.
I envy you. The E30 M3 is my favorite car of all time.
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