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Old 08-29-2007, 04:01 PM   #1
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Cool 02 Bugeye STI Conversion!

This car was built by LIC Motorsports. They're the best Subie mechanics I've seen to date and are the only ones to ever touch my car. They've been working on Subies before the WRX ever came to the US and have always specialized in the cleanest, most factory-like swaps I've ever seen. This car really made me think of my old bug eye and miss it a tad. Anyway... on to the car.

Its a very clean 02 WRX with a complete USDM STI Swap (engine, tranny, diffs, ECU, gas tank, dash, cluster, etc). This car is now a true bug-eye STI! Its currently set up with a basic stage 2 with:

APS TBE (catted)
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Prodrive 3-port solenoid
Cobb AP V2 with EQ Custom Tune

Here's the dyno plot on California 91 Octane:


Considering the minimal mods and the high flow car, this car was a freaking blast. The APS TBE and Headers made ridiculous amounts torque for 91 and the peak power is what I'm used to seeing from catless cars. The 3-port solenoid with proper tuning resulting in instant response... I mean literally NO lag. This is really a great stage 2 setup and is on the quiet side to boot.

Here are a couple pictures of this lovely beast:



And here is a link to more pictures of the immaculate build from LIC Motorpsorts: http://www.licmotorsports.com/pc-johnbauer.htm

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Old 08-29-2007, 04:04 PM   #2
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Was this pic before or after the swap, because I dont see any Brembos.
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:09 PM   #3
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Was this pic before or after the swap, because I dont see any Brembos.
Pic is after the swap, the customer has 4-Pots and was not interested in doing the brembos at the time of swap.

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Old 08-29-2007, 04:09 PM   #4
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Edit.... Noah got to it before me
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:26 PM   #5
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Vaus,

I am noticing adnormal flat HP curves on 2.5L cars you have done that i dont see anywhere else. Especially with tapered boost and rich afrs/conservative timing of 91 octane calls for. I know you work your magic but do you ramp timing in the top end to keep the VE of the motor - or is your software calculating based on MAFV-G/S to get a horsepower measurement. Because even when i was pulling G/S to redline - my curve sure didn't even look like that. May be a downside of the calculations versus a real dyno
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:30 PM   #6
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so not to be a prick but its not a complete sti conversion..

this however is!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1309577
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:34 PM   #7
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Vaus,

I am noticing adnormal flat HP curves on 2.5L cars you have done that i dont see anywhere else. Especially with tapered boost and rich afrs/conservative timing of 91 octane calls for. I know you work your magic but do you ramp timing in the top end to keep the VE of the motor - or is your software calculating based on MAFV-G/S to get a horsepower measurement. Because even when i was pulling G/S to redline - my curve sure didn't even look like that. May be a downside of the calculations versus a real dyno
The road dyno calculates purely off RPM versus time and the gearing, tire, weight, and aero configuration data. Given the available sample rate, there is certainly some smoothing going on but the general shape of the curve is represented accurately. Power does dip a tiny bit on the top end but not enough to be noticeable with this sample rate. In general I do spend a lot of time optimizing timing and fuel on the top end to hold power as flat as possible as the turbo falls off, so that is certainly a factor as well. I've seen other chassis dyno graphs hold pretty flat up top, so I don't think this is so irregular. I know some dynos like the Dynapak are actually conducive to show an artificial drop up top in some cases.

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Old 08-29-2007, 04:35 PM   #8
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so not to be a prick but its not a complete sti conversion..

this however is!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1309577
Ahh your right, I should have the customer see if he thinks he got a STi or a fake STi.

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Old 08-29-2007, 04:36 PM   #9
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so not to be a prick but its not a complete sti conversion..

this however is!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1309577
to each his own I guess. If the lack of brembo's makes it "incomplete", so be it
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:47 PM   #10
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Looks very clean across the board. Nice work!
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:47 PM   #11
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so not to be a prick but its not a complete sti conversion..

this however is!
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1309577

Please elaborate....... Looks pretty complete to me.

That car s very nice, makes me miss my 03'. Great job on the tune Ed, that is some very nice torque!
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:49 PM   #12
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nice work Ed, love that torque!!
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:51 PM   #13
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god damn that car has alot of torque



nice tune by ED
nice built by LIC
+ nice car by OWNER
BADASS CAR


congrats on the car
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:54 PM   #14
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The road dyno calculates purely off RPM versus time and the gearing, tire, weight, and aero configuration data. Given the available sample rate, there is certainly some smoothing going on but the general shape of the curve is represented accurately. Power does dip a tiny bit on the top end but not enough to be noticeable with this sample rate. In general I do spend a lot of time optimizing timing and fuel on the top end to hold power as flat as possible as the turbo falls off, so that is certainly a factor as well. I've seen other chassis dyno graphs hold pretty flat up top, so I don't think this is so irregular.
I would say nearly flat HP from 5000-6800 on a vf39 IWG is pretty irregular
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:11 PM   #15
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I would say nearly flat HP from 5000-6800 on a vf39 IWG is pretty irregular
Really? Check out these dyno's from a different tuner and dyno:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...M/DSCF2687.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...r/IMG_0330.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...112/3Gpull.jpg

Note that none of these are cars I tuned, so don't comment on the quality of the curve or numbers, etc. Just examples of power staying relatively flat after peak. With the free flowing headers and TBE, its really no surprise that there is no significant dip in whp past the peak. This just means that the setup flows this amount of air very efficiently and the tune was optimized to take advantage of it. In general if there is a dip in power past peak, there is some sort of flow restriction in the higher rpm's or a more conservative timing curve causing it. If the setup is good and the tune takes advantage of it, I would not expect a significant drop in power past the hp peak.

That being said, as you approach higher rpm's the sample rate for the road dyno becomes even lower, so it will not necessarily display very small variations in the curve just as a chassis dyno graph with smoothing applied. At that point its easy to feel any inconsistencies, however, and considering the extensive time I've spent both off and on the dyno developing my base maps, I'm confident that the graph is a good representation of actual power output. Of course 1/4 mile times and traps never hurt as a backup proof


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Old 08-29-2007, 05:28 PM   #16
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curious... what would a swap like this go for? Feel free to pm an answer if you don't want the price broadcast.
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Old 08-29-2007, 06:08 PM   #17
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Ed im not tryign to be a pain but the graphs you posted are scaled obviously differently and are ALL tapering (one strangely is spiking/peaking) but still tapering hard before 7k. 07 stis seem to be making more up top as well due to VF43 enjoying more boost or the mystery heads as well.

your traps dont disappoint!
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Old 08-29-2007, 06:37 PM   #18
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the only thing I'm not feelin is the raised spoiler, other than that I love it!
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Old 08-29-2007, 07:01 PM   #19
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curious... what would a swap like this go for? Feel free to pm an answer if you don't want the price broadcast.
Pm'd you

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Old 08-29-2007, 07:45 PM   #20
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+1 pm for me
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:07 PM   #21
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Actually the 4 Pots are STI brakes. So.... It is complete, if you follow logic. Same brake calipers as Travis P's Rally America prepped STI.

Quit bustin their balls! LIC is a great group of guys lol.

cheers


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so not to be a prick but its not a complete sti conversion..

this however is!
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Old 08-30-2007, 02:45 AM   #22
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The car is sick and the torque curve is awesome IMO.
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Old 08-31-2007, 01:52 AM   #23
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Thanks everyone for the props.... Special thanks goes out to LIC for not only offering me the swap they wanted to do with their car, but to the quality of work that they performed. I have to mention here that, for as long as I've been modifying my cars, they truely have the best shop etiquette around. I wondered if i was ever going to see a shop that met these basic fundamentals, such as honesty, professionalism, customer focus and execution. I hear too often people ask for "hook ups" and deals, but then complain that things were broken, parts not put back on, and even parts that they paid for not installed! Enough said. Thanks to Ed at Eq Tuning for his expertise and his passion for what he loves doing. Oh and thanks to Shiv for getting me started on all these upgrades from day one! This is just the beginning for this car, so stay mapped!
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:05 AM   #24
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Very nice car, looks like they dide a great job on the swap too.. Enjoy!
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:55 PM   #25
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Thanks everyone for the props.... Special thanks goes out to LIC for not only offering me the swap they wanted to do with their car, but to the quality of work that they performed. I have to mention here that, for as long as I've been modifying my cars, they truely have the best shop etiquette around. I wondered if i was ever going to see a shop that met these basic fundamentals, such as honesty, professionalism, customer focus and execution. I hear too often people ask for "hook ups" and deals, but then complain that things were broken, parts not put back on, and even parts that they paid for not installed! Enough said. Thanks to Ed at Eq Tuning for his expertise and his passion for what he loves doing. Oh and thanks to Shiv for getting me started on all these upgrades from day one! This is just the beginning for this car, so stay mapped!
Couldn't agree with you more about LIC. They embody everything that a shop SHOULD be.

Thanks again for working with me... it was a pleasure tuning your car. How's she running btw?

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