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Old 09-03-2007, 03:52 AM   #1
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Here are just some observations I have made while in the military. These are opinions and opinions only.

Here is the rank structure for the military E(enlisted) and O(officer)
E1=Private
E2=Private
E3=Private First Class
E4=Specialist/Corporal
E5=Sergeant
E6=Staff Sergeant
E7=Sergeant First Class
E8=Master Sergeant/First Sergeant
E9=Sergeant Major/Command Sergeant Major

O1=2nd LT
O2=1st Lt
O3=Captain
O4=Major
O5=Lieutenant Colonel
O6=Colonel
O7=Brigadier General
O8=Major General
O9=Lieutenant General

I am a specialist who has been in the Army for 2 years. These views are what I've experienced while being in Fort Benning, Fort Jackson, Fort Gordon, Fort Knox, and Fort Campbell.

1) This is the easiest job for the laziest people in the world. You show up to the right place, in the right time, and in the right uniform and you still get paid no matter what happens.

2) You can get promoted up to E6/O3 without knowing a damn thing about your job. O1-O3 is an automatic promotion based on time. Promotion from E4-E5-E6 is based on a system of "promotion points." I have met quite a handful of E6's that have no clue what they are doing.

3) Most Army Civilians are douche bags. They look at your rank and think they can treat you like they carry rank. I tell them to go screw themselves.

4) The divorce rate for military personnel is extremely high. On a weekly basis, I hear about ___ getting divorced. Why people get married at such a young age and hatch kids is beyond me. I mean *****, there are some people in my unit that are 20 and already have two kids

5) Some people need the Army and the Army needs some people. I fall into the latter. Some people excel extremely fast in this semi-structured envirnoment. I have met dumb people who excel and smart people who couldn't care less.

6) If the Army wasn't so heavily connected with their political butt buddies, every soldier in the Army would have better equipment. But political red-tape and contracts made by retired Generals don't allow that. We are still using a 30 year old rifle and a Combat Vehicle (HUMVEE) that is both underpowered and underarmored. Can't complain too much about the individual body armor.

7) Being a soldier does not make you a lean mean killing machine. I'm no Chuck Liddell, but I have had some training in MMA (paid by the Army) and consider myself to be fairly healthy. It sickens me to watch pregnant soldiers and fat old men walk on the running route while I'm puking my guts out on my 5th mile of running.

8) We are lacking some serious leadership. With the multiple extended deployments and pay gap being widended each year, higher ranking soldiers are getting out and making 3x as much in the civilian world with 1/2 the work. This has caused the Army to rush soldiers through leadership courses and haved also dropped the standards for these said courses.

9) The quality of soldiers is nose-diving. Now I'm no model soldier, but I have never got in trouble, working on getting promoted to Corporal, and bust my ass at work. The only way the Army is able to meet its quota of new enlistee are by dropping standards (think High School Diploma, felonies, crackheads, etc) and offering huge bonuses for signing up (up to $40K).

10) Anybody with 1/2 a brain will now realize that going to Iraq was a huge mistake. If you disagree with me, go end yourself. Flip some pages through your high school history book and queue towards the WWII/Germany. Something something fighting two fronts something something. Not only are we fighting 1 war in 2 different countries but were doing so with a heavily stressed and thinned out Army. The "free elections held by the Iraqi people" were hand picked candidates that the Americans backed. This has caused some serious civil instability and the president of Iraq has the balls to bark back at America.

However, I feel that we should not pull out until we have accomplished something. We haven't exactly accomplished a damn thing except going in, killing Saddam, installing puppet government, and causing civil war. All the soldiers/marines/seebees/airmen who have died would have been in vain. These people are not fighting for your freedom folks, their doing it because it's their job. Some people believe in the whole "I'm fighting for Freedom" thing while other people view this only (and only) as a job and nothing more. Go watch the movie Why We Fight

That being said, the military has been an interesting part of my life. I have worked with and made friends from people of all 50 states that I would have never interacted with. The Army has drilled into my head some routines that will only benefit me once I get out in April 2009.

For those of you who consider joining the Army, do some research on what job you want to get yourself into. If possible, become an officer. Most of them are douche bags, but they get paid a lot more and have it easier.
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:57 AM   #2
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funny you say that, my ETS date is about to be involuntarily extended for 5 months since I'm being deployed June 2008
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growing up on military bases (dad is retired army), I must say that soldiers marry some of the ghettoest white trash bitches out there.
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growing up on military bases (dad is retired army), I must say that soldiers marry some of the ghettoest white trash bitches out there.
Your mom included?
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growing up on military bases (dad is retired army), I must say that soldiers marry some of the ghettoest white trash bitches out there.
TRUTH, though not this guy
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Your mom included?
that's brutal dude.

Seriously though, the parents are still married despite the odds.
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growing up on military bases (dad is retired army), I must say that soldiers marry some of the ghettoest white trash bitches out there.
*ding *ding *ding

Kids with money (very little) + ghetto trash of any color + job security + free health insurance = 2 unhappy people with 3 kids with no guidance.

I'm 23 years old and won't even start pondering marriage or kids until I'm well into my late 20's.

Some of these Army spouses are just plain digusting, fat slobs who sit around all day eating muffins and sitting on their asses.
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TRUTH, though not this guy
and wtf is up with soldiers kids these days. I went to the bowling alley on Fort Lewis a month or two ago, and some of the kids were straight up thugs with gang tattoos etc. I'm sure that makes daddy look good in his bosses eyes.

straight thugs or total mommas baby dorks.


As far as the trashy wifes...it doesnt help that the neighborhoods surounding army bases are always the ghetto. I went to highschool off base, and I cant tell you how many girls would go to fort lewis on the weekends to bang soldiers. Ruled for the soldiers, sucked for us civies.
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that's brutal dude.

Seriously though, the parents are still married despite the odds.
You said it, not me.

Just funnin, sorry if I crossed the line. I do however find it funny that in todays more racially sensitive OT "white trash" is an acceptable term.
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*ding *ding *ding

Kids with money (very little) + ghetto trash of any color + job security + free health insurance = 2 unhappy people with 3 kids with no guidance.

I'm 23 years old and won't even start pondering marriage or kids until I'm well into my late 20's.

Some of these Army spouses are just plain digusting, fat slobs who sit around all day eating muffins and sitting on their asses.

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<-- Army civilian

I think you're referring to the civilians that were never military, and civilians can have command positions.
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Oh really? Unless you run a 2 mile convoy live fire range I really doubt I would listen to any civilian.

Don't get me wrong, there are some cool ass Army civilians that provide a lot of logistical and technical support (although the Army is self-sustaining we hire contractors from companies that supply us with equipment) but most are douches.

I work a lot on computers. We have a civilian whose job it is to make sure the network stays up and running. He can't even get the damn printer networked properly He sits on his ass all day and collects more pay than I do I could everything he does plus some if they gave me the damn admin passwords x10
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Old 09-03-2007, 04:59 AM   #18
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1) This is the easiest job for the laziest people in the world. You show up to the right place, in the right time, and in the right uniform and you still get paid no matter what happens.
Yep.
I did 9 years active duty Marines and have done what... 3 years navy reserves.
Most jobs are drone jobs. You have a few highly trained fields with some very skilled operators working in them (pilots, rangers, ATC, some aircraft maint jobs, and what not) surrounded by morons who somehow find a way to bitch about doing the easiest job in the world.

I got people in supply who don't want to run stock checks, kids in 1st Lt (its the navy's gay little name for building support) who bitch about how hard it is to sweep the hall and clean the heads for three months, and people in tool room who can't be bothered to get up and check you out a torque wrench.

But you also have hard chargers in the military, people who have found their niche and will not ever quit until their job is done. In my line of work it's people with big brains who like to fix broken jets, but the motivation can be found in any job you do.

Now i am a civilian contractor (one of the people i guess you hate). I bust my ass, twice as hard as the lazy sailors around me. Sure i get payed slightly more, but i also get none of the benefits you get in active duty (healthcare!!!!!!!). I work side by side with the Navy, some people resent it, most of them are happy i returned (i work in the same squadron that i did when i was active duty). Honestly though, i got broken jets to fix at work and not too much time to care what they think.

If you stay in longer your views will change some, trust me. In a lot of ways, you sound just like i did when i was 2 years in to the corps.

GL to you whatever you plan on doing, and thanks for your service.
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6) If the Army wasn't so heavily connected with their political butt buddies, every soldier in the Army would have better equipment. But political red-tape and contracts made by retired Generals don't allow that. We are still using a 30 year old rifle and a Combat Vehicle (HUMVEE) that is both underpowered and underarmored. Can't complain too much about the individual body armor.
Thanks for serving.

However, I hate to break it to you, but we spend way too much damn money on irresponsible military projects. Convince upper political factions to stop spending $500 on a toilet seat and you might get your wish. If it were up to me, I'd cut military spending in half, but some should thank upper management that it's not up to me. There's a thread around here somewhere that details how the military uses Franklins to wipe their a**es.
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Oh really? Unless you run a 2 mile convoy live fire range I really doubt I would listen to any civilian.
Hey now, I know a retired CW5 that holds a very high position on Fort Lewis. Besides, when's the last time you saw your Generals out prancing about on live fire ranges.
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i'm going to be ripped apart by a ton of you military types, but...

i've supported every branch of the service (3 former i.t. jobs with the d.o.d.) and worked side by side with almost every rank (from the greenest private ever to a 4 star general) and i can say that far and away, without a shred of doubt, unequivocally, the air force has not only the most intelligent officers and enlisted folks, but the friendliest and most NON white trash. hottest women too.

female navy officers have the biggest asses of any women in the service. not once at the navy yard in d.c. did i see a hot navy chick. not ONCE. male naval officers are generally unpleasant people and hate everyone.

some of the coolest people i supported were marines. a lot of them looked scary from afar, especially this one female major who had veins popping out of her neck, but they were all rather chill. this one marine colonel i knew was probably one of the nicest people in the pentagon.

army folks could go either way. met some cool ones, met some s***ty ones, but yeah a lot of white trash. not all of them, though.

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After school I'm planning on doing my time in the Navy. Flight school, hopefully jets. If I really busted my ass then maybe SEAL's. This is of course if I dont get hooked up with a job at the CIA. They actively recruit at my school and in my major. So as of now I need to complete my last quarter and then things are kinda up in the air...
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i agree with everything said about the military personnel, civilian personnel, and about the war.
i served in the US Navy hospital corpsman for 13+ yrs, got out two wks after 9/11, and do miss the comraderie and friendship that i made while in but all the other BS i can do without. I did 3 med cruises on 3 different amphib ships (nassau, saipan, and wasp) and it sucked. well the nassau was the worse cuz we had the worse senior enlisted leadership, saipan was a little better, and the wasp we had females.....
we worked side by side with the USMC on that ship and although they liked to get drunk at port visits and throw up everywhere (not all of them, just the junior ranked ones) they were the hardest working, most disciplined, and motivated mofos i ever met.
being on those ships was like adult day care, the new recruits hiding out or being negligent on their jobs and duties. it killed me.

now all the services have the lazy and the motivated and all have the good, bad, and the ugly too.
navy had its share of hot women but they all seemed to be located in one billet. they were a few hot ones on the ship, usually an officer.

ok enough of my ranting........
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For those of you who are DoD Civilians/Contractors I didn't mean to offend any of you. I just have a bad experience with these folks.
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For those of you who are DoD Civilians/Contractors I didn't mean to offend any of you. I just have a bad experience with these folks.
Oh its fine most of us have problems with snot nosed little boot ass kids who have less time in the military than i have in the ****ter trying to tell me what to do.
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