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Old 06-08-2007, 12:38 PM   #1
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had a new motor built and installed last week. i will write about all of the things that both bugged me and otherwise.

build time from when i dropped the car off to when i picked it up:
-dropped it off in december 2006
-picked it up the last saturday of may
-i was told that it would be done by the 2nd week of february (for the record, i never truly expected it to be done by then. you know how shops are with due dates and progress reports.)

problems at day of pick up:
-brand new red top optima was nowhere to be found and replaced with an old suby battery. they ordered me a new one.
-extra flange for the DSS driveshaft was also missing. they ordered me a new one.
-hydramist was not installed. they told me 2 days before how they spent all day installing it. they took the labor for that off of the bill.
-the welds on the wastegate have alot of undercut on them. i've been a union pipefitter/weldor for the last 9 years as well as a quality control for our welding program. should've just done that myself.
-my 2.0 was supposedly disassembled to see if anything was wrong with it, and they couldn't find the factory pistons. so i obviously didn't bring it home with me.

stuff that i like:
-thay installed a new air filter without technically charging me for it
-the car runs very smooth
-the car sounds awesome
-they reinstalled all of my gage sensors

-new 257 block with overbore for 100mm pistons
-100mm wiseco pistons (originally ordered 100mm mahle but found out after build that they used wiseco)
-manley rods
-arp studs
-crower stage II cams
-stock heads with new subaru valves
-power enterprise timing belt
-fuel pressure regulator with gage on it.
-hydra
-hydramist
-gt52 bolt-on
-tail 44mm to street


previous engine mods (*=no longer on car):
-stock 2.0*
-stock heads
-fp18g internally gated*
-utec*
-greddy profec b spec II
-tgv delets
-perrin inlet and intake
-perrin fuel rails
-pe800's
-walbro
-txs front mount
-vishnu pulley
-vishnu catless tbe "signature series"(most overpriced pipe ever)

drivetrain:
-jdm non dccd
-version 7 r180 with 2-pots
-exedy twin disc
-DSS alluminum shaft
-DSS front axles
(somebody usually asks this one)
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Old 06-08-2007, 12:46 PM   #2
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question... who did you drop your car off for to do the build?
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Old 06-08-2007, 01:47 PM   #3
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i'm going to disclose that a t a later date.
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Old 06-08-2007, 06:44 PM   #4
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They sound like scamers. I hate taking my car/motorcycles to any type of shop, be it body or mechanical work. They all scam to some extent.
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Old 06-08-2007, 08:34 PM   #5
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oh yeah, mechanics didn't get the rep they have by doing the right thing. they tend to get greedy. they get so used to the teenaged kid bringing in his dad's credit card and free reign. not so good for those of us who work hard.

the purpose of this thread is to show some of the things that could happen, both good and bad, when you take your car to a well known shop.

the day before i drove 3.5 hours to go get my car:
me
"is my old motor going to be in some kind of packaging or something?"
him
"we didn't do a new shortblock on your build did we?"
me
"yeah, i went from a 2.0 to a 2.5"
him
"oh, that's right, that's what took us so long on your build. we were waiting to get your motor back from the machine shop."

i talked to this guy about 30 times over the 5 month period while they had my car.

join me later for more updates.
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Old 06-08-2007, 10:45 PM   #6
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I'm gonna do all my own build and swap. It'll take awhile between saving funds and compulsive measurements but I'll learn alot and avoid bull#$%^
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Old 06-09-2007, 10:38 AM   #7
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i wish that i had the time and knowledge to do that. hpoefully when i get my old motor back i can get everything togther so that i might rebuild it.

on a brighter note, the car feels nice and sounds nice. i'm not trying to say that they did a bad job on the build, the communication and disorganization is what gets to me from time to time.

we'll see here in another week or two after i get it tuned. it might just put the smile right back on my face.
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Old 06-09-2007, 11:27 AM   #8
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and i thought that mine was taking too long at a month... but then i was doing a few other upgrades at the time too apart from mjust a longblock swap
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Old 06-09-2007, 03:33 PM   #9
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I'm gonna do all my own build and swap. It'll take awhile between saving funds and compulsive measurements but I'll learn alot and avoid bull#$%^
Measuring and building your own motor has its satisfaction yes it does.
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Old 06-09-2007, 06:37 PM   #10
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i've done evrything on my car less the motor build and swap. it helps build a certain kind of relationship with the car. ironically, i only went with a shop because i thought it would've been done alot sooner than if i did it. turns out maybe i could've done it myself, learned something, and saved some money. i'm definately going to build my 2 liter. even if it's taking it apart and putting it right back together.
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Old 06-10-2007, 12:13 PM   #11
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Well, I'm glad it's running and seems good so far. Let's hope it stays that way.

You may consider this going way out on a limb, but I can safely bet you that if I'd gone into this shop and taken a tour (refused tour = no customer) and interviewed them, they'd never have gotten my job.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:16 PM   #12
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well, back before they merged with the shop that they are now, i had my old set-up tuned with them and they did a nice job. and i was impressed with a few of the projects that they had done and were doing.

they have a nice shop that is clean and well equiped to do my job. there's just something that is not quite right with them. i've gone over their vendor reviews numerous times and they are mostly good reviews. of course you'll always have people upset with delays and such.

after i get it tuned i'll only br able to give dyno results for my 18g(tuned by them) and my gt52(tuned by them). i never got a baseline stock.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:22 PM   #13
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Which shop? PM me if you don't want to share publicly?
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Old 06-11-2007, 10:40 PM   #14
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Old 06-11-2007, 11:16 PM   #15
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how is the Hydra workin out for you
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:54 AM   #16
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Pm me with shop details
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Old 06-12-2007, 06:12 AM   #17
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the hydra seems to be working out pretty nice. i haven't really gotten the chance to drive hard yet. i've still got a few hundred miles to go on the break-in. sometimes if i stall out, it takes a couple of trys to get it to start back up.

i'm scheduled for a tune on the 23rd of this month. if i get the hydramist installed alright this week, which i'm about 1/2 way done with, then it too will be tuned on that day.
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:24 PM   #18
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cant wait to see the numbers on this!
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:35 PM   #19
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what kind of things can you do to know that your rings are seated?

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Old 06-12-2007, 05:22 PM   #20
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man i really feel for you....im still waiting on my build, its been 5 weeks now
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Old 06-12-2007, 07:52 PM   #21
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i would venture to say that most shops won't even touch a car untill thay've rounded up all of the parts. this means that your car will sit for a few months collecting dust, and when they have everything, they try to bust your car out in like 2 or 3 days.

what they should do is plan a little better and get some things out of the way, thus eliminating the need to rush.

sob story:
they promised (beyond a shadow of a doubt) me two weeks in a row that my car would be done on the respective saturday. both times, i explained to them that i would be missing "time-and-a-half" in order to come get my car. so i did. it wasn't done and they had already found someone else to work. that would've been about $900 for both saturdays after taxes.

if you hold them up, it will cost you. if they hold you up, who cares.
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:03 PM   #22
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Dude, tell us who the shop was!
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:48 PM   #23
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sorry man, the unveiling will come with the numbers after the tune. next saturday.
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:59 AM   #24
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I'm gonna do all my own build and swap. It'll take awhile between saving funds and compulsive measurements but I'll learn alot and avoid bull#$%^
Wise move. That's why I'm doing mine, but then again I am a mechanic so its expected really...

As for the scamming, I know it goes on and I disaprove. I'm also a certified vehicle inspector, so I try to be strict but fair. Its sometimes hard to tell the poor student or the little old lady their car needs a few hunded bucks spent on it, but rather that then let them crash down the road.
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Old 06-14-2007, 10:40 AM   #25
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My worry is that you found a number of obvious, visible things they lost, forgot or neglected to do...

So what about the parts of the motor that you can't see? :-(

I'd do a really careful inspection of electrical plugs, vacuum lines, etc.

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