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Old 01-10-2002, 10:56 PM   #1
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Default Any more info/new result from the FP turbo?

What happened to that modified turbo from Force Performance?
Any more testing with a tuned chip?
It seems like that the whole development has stopped.
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Old 01-10-2002, 11:03 PM   #2
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What happened to that modified turbo from Force Performance?
Any more testing with a tuned chip?
It seems like that the whole development has stopped.
The development has not stopped. Mark played with the turbo a good deal more and got a HUGE chunk of torque down low tuned in... However they are waiting for phil to get injectors before they work on the top end much more. He is static at 5500rpms up...

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Old 01-10-2002, 11:10 PM   #3
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What compressor wheel did they put in the turbo, also does anyone know the most recent power #'s out of the turbo? Has anyone driven or ridden in a car with the new turbo parts, how is the top-end power?
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Old 01-10-2002, 11:38 PM   #4
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What compressor wheel did they put in the turbo, also does anyone know the most recent power #'s out of the turbo? Has anyone driven or ridden in a car with the new turbo parts, how is the top-end power?
They have asked us not to tell the compressor wheel, and frankly i don't blame them.

There are a few others that have this upgrade though, and one of them was posting on www.clubwrx.com that he loved the car so much with the new turbo.

I can't say how it feels yet as we have not had a chance to get one on a car locally, but i am told we should have one next week to play around with. Basically we will be taking a wagon to turboxs stage2 + the turbo upgrade. We will post initial feedback here, and then we head off to AZ for some track testing of this turbo and the new TS ihi/Garrett hybrid.

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Old 01-10-2002, 11:47 PM   #5
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Nathan,
If you come to az to test run were will you run at I live in AZ and would love to be there for the tests. Let me know when and where and I am there. I am very interested in both turbo's and would like to see them side by side. Don't leave me out if you come to AZ I am looking forward to it. Also thanks for all the help you give us here on I-Club.
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Old 01-11-2002, 12:03 AM   #6
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How will the stock intercooler hold up? Will it be OK at 320HP? 350HP?
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Old 01-11-2002, 12:11 AM   #7
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Nathan,
If you come to az to test run were will you run at I live in AZ and would love to be there for the tests. Let me know when and where and I am there. I am very interested in both turbo's and would like to see them side by side. Don't leave me out if you come to AZ I am looking forward to it. Also thanks for all the help you give us here on I-Club.
I am not sure where exactly we will run, but keep an eye out for a post here on the i-club setting up something because i would like to meet a few WRX guys at the track.

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Old 01-11-2002, 12:12 AM   #8
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How will the stock intercooler hold up? Will it be OK at 320HP? 350HP?
I made about 390 HP or so on the stock intercooler

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Old 01-11-2002, 12:24 AM   #9
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how is the top-end power?
If the injectors are going static, that's somewhere around 250-270 HP (at the wheels, of course) depending on how lean you want to run it.

Obviously there's some more room to go yet if the TurboXS guys are buying bigger injectors. It'll probably top out somewhere between 5700 and 6500, so not too much more than that. From this info I'd estimate somewhere in the 270 - 290 at the wheels range as the top out point.

As far as where I got the 250-275 at the wheels, see this post. Notice that from about 6300 RPM his HP line is pretty much flat. That tells me he's completely topped out on fuel and he's at somewhere around 270. He certainly has other mods, but NO fueling mods, though he may have more advance from what would be attainable with the stock IC, thus setting 270 at my max approximation of where they're topping now.
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Old 01-11-2002, 01:08 AM   #10
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If the fuel system is maxed out what pump and injectors do you guys suggest, I would prefer the least exspensive that get the job done for about 350awhp,(enough for turbo upgrade plus 50-75hp of nitrous)?
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Old 01-11-2002, 01:13 AM   #11
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If the fuel system is maxed out what pump and injectors do you guys suggest, I would prefer the least exspensive that get the job done for about 350awhp,(enough for turbo upgrade plus 50-75hp of nitrous)?
For that kind of hp your going to need 550cc injectors, good gas, a WET shot of N2o <--if your going ot use it.

Stay below 80% duty cycle if you can. Your car will thank you for it.

Personally i am waiting for some 660cc+ injectors

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Old 01-11-2002, 01:39 AM   #12
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How about the stock drivetrain holding up to these numbers 270 at the wheels is what 360 at the crank, can the gears and stuff handle that kind of power. I haven't heard too many stories of 1st gear blowing up but I have heard some.
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Old 01-11-2002, 01:45 AM   #13
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How about the stock drivetrain holding up to these numbers 270 at the wheels is what 360 at the crank, can the gears and stuff handle that kind of power. I haven't heard too many stories of 1st gear blowing up but I have heard some.

1. I don't think that anyone actually said they were at 270 at the wheels before they went static (more like the 250hp in reality) that was just a guess... and frankly a poor one.

2. 270 at the wheels is not going to be a 360 crank HP... i just don't buy that kind of correction...

3. Who knows if the drivetrain will hold up... i am one of the higest HP New Age WRXs running around and so far i have not had any problems, but even i admit that its only a matter of time before i put a dog box in the car.

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1. I don't think that anyone actually said they were at 270 at the wheels before they went static (more like the 250hp in reality) that was just a guess... and frankly a poor one.
I supply a dyno chart of a car showing 270+ at the wheels on stock fueling and it's a poor guess? I admitted that he probably has some timing advantages based on his other efficiency mods as well. That little knock at the end was rude and totally unnecessary. I agree it's probably closer to 250 on that particular turbo and with a stock IC, but the fact remains that someone has a dyno sheet showing 270 at the wheels with no fuel mods.
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Thanks for the update, nmyeti.

My car is still bone stock. I am thinking of getting
this modified turbo, and turboXS.
Do you think I need anything else?

I kinda want to get the MRT turbo back, but
I don't want to lose the low end torque for
top end hp. My goal is to tune for low end torque
with 260~270 awhp. ( 280 lb/s would be nice )

Any suggestion?

Thanks.

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Lets try and not start a correction factor war here this is a thread about the FP hybrid turbo.

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I supply a dyno chart of a car showing 270+ at the wheels on stock fueling and it's a poor guess? I admitted that he probably has some timing advantages based on his other efficiency mods as well. That little knock at the end was rude and totally unnecessary. I agree it's probably closer to 250 on that particular turbo and with a stock IC, but the fact remains that someone has a dyno sheet showing 270 at the wheels with no fuel mods.
I guess i have been looking at the TXS dyno's and thus far no one has made that kind of HP on the stock fuel system. I looked through this thread and didn't see any posts with a dyno in it, and i think you have a slight misunderstanding at to what "Static" is for the injectors.

Once they go above 80% duty cycle they might as well be wide open after about 5500rpms or so in that they never really close down... anyway on the stock fuel system turboxs has for the most part stopped at about 250hp to the wheels on their dyno.

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I looked through this thread and didn't see any posts with a dyno in it
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As far as where I got the 250-275 at the wheels, see this post.

I don't see how I could have been any clearer.

And, yes, I understand what static means:

Static simply means that they are FULL OPEN 100% of the time. 100% duty cycle means no change in state, unmoving, static.

The only relation that has to the point that they become uncontrollable is that if you try to control them above the point that they're controllable, they'll jump straight to static, i.e. ask for 95% and you'll get 100%.

Edit: removed frictional remark

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Old 01-11-2002, 04:25 PM   #19
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I have just installed the FP turbo.. I love the way the car runs, I am not much on the technical side so if you ask me a lot of questions I most likely won't have the answer. I just put on the car what I feel is reasonable and go with it.
Here is what I have done so far:
Hitech turbo back exhaust
M2 uppipe
FP turbo
HKS EVC
K&N filter
Turbo XS chip (ordered)
GFB blow off valve
custom made guage pod w/ autometer guages (boost,air/fuel, oil)
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C-West carbon fiber GT wing
Masi rims 17in (center color matched to car) Black w/ polished lips
slotted and drilled rotors

The car pulls very strong 3-5k it literally throws you into the back of the seat at 4.5k I am very impressed with the performance. I have had a 400hp mustang and a tricked Grand National, but the WRX is the most fun!!!!
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