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Old 09-06-2007, 03:53 PM   #1
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Default New Hydra Nemesis 2.6 Awesome New Features

All I have to say is wow the new Hydra Nemesis 2.6 is going to be awesome! More maps, more resolution, new software interface, more programmable outputs, new case, and more. I will have my hands on some beta software soon for testing before I will actually test the new hardware but all I have to say is wow, itís going to be a huge improvement.

I want you help however to make this the Hydra youíve always wanted in regards to software interface.

I know you have mentioned you would like to be able to have a multiply feature. What else would you like to see and I will do my best to get this implemented while we still have time.

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Old 09-06-2007, 05:56 PM   #2
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When do you expect it to be ready?
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Old 09-06-2007, 06:32 PM   #3
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Does the new software also allow you to select cells and ranges with the mouse? That would be updating the software to 80s levels I think...
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:52 PM   #4
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clicking cells with a mouse would be a huge plus!!

When you turn the "float on" map on, it would be nice to have the live data on the left side of the main screen to continue to be live. Same with opening up the other screens, like the "Settings" screen.

I'm sure I'll think of more.
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:53 PM   #5
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any sneak peaks at the new software screens??
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:34 AM   #6
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I think having the ability to tune from a 2D map would help a lot for most people.. That is what I'm used to from tuning other programs. Its much easier for me to see the dips and how smooth a map looks from a 2D perspective!!
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:20 AM   #7
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When do you expect it to be ready?
Probably around January 2008 but maybe just before then.

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Old 09-07-2007, 09:28 AM   #8
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Click to edit cell, noted.

I've already put the request in for a "multiply" edit feature. I'm also going to put in a request for a shortcut key to the "knock threshold" map.

As for 2D it's not likely we'll dumb it down that much. With some new editing features we'll make it easier for many to get comfortable with the software as it should be more familiar. For Element Tuning customers our maps will still be based on injector pulse width as we can't just through away 3.5 years worth of maps but we are adding the ability to do volumetric efficiency tuning. If I find this method much easier for customers to tune I may make the effort to convert some of our more popular maps.

Also the 2.6 is going to be able to run 45 psi right out of the box!

I'm comfortable with the system as it's been so we need your help, keep the comments coming.

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Old 09-07-2007, 09:44 AM   #9
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How about getting the fuel and ignition maps to be saved to the ROM, not the RAM? I think this would allow not having to save, upload, then re download, etc...
Also, have the ability to see live changes in the map that AUTOTUNE Is making whiling tuning?
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:10 AM   #10
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Having the knock voltage in the live column on the left would be great!

When datalogging, choosing which information I want to datalog and what information I don't want to datalog would be nice.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:19 AM   #11
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Having the knock voltage in the live column on the left would be great!

When datalogging, choosing which information I want to datalog and what information I don't want to datalog would be nice.
That is an excellent Idea with the datalogging. I think the datalogging can be updated a bit . Having the ability to graph and select what you want datalogged in the Nemesis software, not exported to excel..
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:24 AM   #12
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Does the new software also allow you to select cells and ranges with the mouse? That would be updating the software to 80s levels I think...
This is an absolute must. We have to be able to select areas of cells and multiply them or add/subtract by a value WE provide.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:46 AM   #13
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I just want to second everything Slorice said. I'd love to be able to use the float and live readings at the same time. Even being able to customize the view more would help, like if I could close the graph window and make the table larger.
Also being able to customize what displays in the live data. Depending on what you are trying to tune at that time you might want to display different things. Not to mention it's easier to find the info you need when you glance over while driving if you are not displaying everything at once. I hate looking over for AFR and seeing the battery voltage. Adjustable font size would be nice too.
I'd also like to be able to change the units to inHg just so its easier to find bad spots in my map. While driving if I find a dry spot or whatever I can look at rpm and vacuum on my dash gauge then later on find that same spot on the fuel map.
It also needs to be 100%, stone axe, reliable with USB.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:18 AM   #14
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Being able to zoom in on the 3D map, not just change the angle, would be nice.
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Old 09-07-2007, 01:07 PM   #15
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how about a USB interface?
or bluetooth
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Old 09-07-2007, 01:34 PM   #16
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Some from the Hydra forum, some from me (and some already mentioned earlier):
  • Add more options to the logging menu... automatically name the logs based on date and time, always export to ____, etc.
  • Allow independent viewing angles for different 3D maps, and remember the settings so that I don't have to change them every time.
  • Maintain the cursor position (RPM and Load) when switching between maps.
  • Fix the underlined characters in the menus, settings page, etc. (e.g. under the Settings menu, there are currently 3 items that correspond to "A").
  • Fix the tab order of items on the Settings screen. Hitting the tab key to move to the next input or button is currently useless.
  • Ability to change/edit colors used in the Nemesis software (editing the BMP files in the Nemesis directory does nothing?).
  • Maybe I'm weird, but I *never* look at those round gauges on the bottom. They just repeat information that is shown elsewhere. It would be nice to be able to make them go away and have more real estate for the 3D map and table.
  • Multiple highlighting/editing of 3D *and* 2D maps.
  • Copy/Paste PLEASE! It would be nice to be able to grab all or a portion of a map and paste it elsewhere... or into Excel.
  • I would love to be able to datalog *anything*... like PWM outputs, or the load% or RPM% for those PWM maps.
  • AEM-like multiple document interface (different windows for different maps/tables) with the ability to save the current layout as a template, then reload it directly from a toolbar button.
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Old 09-07-2007, 02:51 PM   #17
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I think it will be very nice to make Injector Response Map's MAX value higher than 1.275 ms which will allow to tune laggy injectors (such as Top Feed PE 800cc) much better.
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Old 09-07-2007, 02:57 PM   #18
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I think it will be very nice to make Injector Response Map's MAX value higher than 1.275 ms which will allow to tune laggy injectors (such as Top Feed PE 800cc) much better.
How high do you need to go at 10V for those injectors?

You could lower the whole injector response table by the same amount, and then add that amount back into the entire fuel map..?
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:38 PM   #19
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Heres a great idea...how about an undo button.
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Old 09-07-2007, 04:00 PM   #20
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Heres a great idea...how about an undo button.
What? You mean you make mistakes?
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:39 PM   #21
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How high do you need to go at 10V for those injectors?

You could lower the whole injector response table by the same amount, and then add that amount back into the entire fuel map..?


Here are the ECUTEK latency values for Top feed PE 800 injectors;

6.5v - 3.6ms
9v - 2.3ms
11.5v - 1.8ms
14v - 1.5ms
16.5v - 1.2ms

Therefore i need to enter around 2.1ms for 10v in the Hydra inj response map.
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Old 09-08-2007, 11:23 AM   #22
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:29 PM   #23
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I have a ton of ideas I (or any competent tuner with a software engeering background and a sense of order...) could spend an hour typing up. To me, it's so obvious what's wrong with the old software and interface that it leaves me wondering why anyone would even need it explained.

Just sit any tuner down at it and make them use it for the first time.

"That's stupid."
"So's that."
"And that."
"And that, that and that."
"That too."
"Whoa, that's MORONIC."
"Why can't I.... LAME."

At any rate...

There's no upgrade path from 2.1 to 2.5 or 2.6.

This is not a free firmware update anyone is going to get like the UTEC circa 2004/2005.

What's in it for me? Why should I help HydraEMS Worldwide with their new $1800+ product?

Here are my freebies:

* Stop hardcoding ****. I don't rev to 54,895,345,34543RPM so stop wasting Knock Threshold (and other!) map datapoints on crap I won't touch.

* Have a WRITER write the manual. See AEM Pro (aka GEMS aka Autronic) User Guide. See it again. And again.

* Any 3D graph should be zoomable, rotateable, and moveable with the mouse + click. See AEM Pro software aka GEMS software aka Autronic software.

* As said before, and should NEVER have had to been said by anyone, let alone years after the 2.1 boxes came out: Configurable datalogging. Welcome to 2002.

* Configurable colors. And fonts. Duh.

* Ditto re: x99percent -- Kill the dumb gauges at the bottom of the screen. Never used them in my life. At least let it be an option.

* Stop using italic font faces for button text (WTF? Who does this? Ever?)

* Don't provide a "Tools" menu that you cram a 20 afterthoughts into. Actually have a plan... you know... like you meant to design the software a certain way... with thought.

* Don't give me aux timing and aux fuel maps without an aux boost map. Wow.

* Don't make me exit the map window in order to add comments to my map before saving. Stupid.

* And if you were slick, you'd (whomever) simply create various usernames over in the competitor's forums and ask probing questions. "Hey guys! I am considering an XYZ EMS unit but I'm still undecided. What do you guys really like about XYZ EMS?"

Wait. Read replies. Implement.

* Gauge Panel Mode. See AEM/GEMS/Autronic. Nuff said.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:52 AM   #24
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Here are the ECUTEK latency values for Top feed PE 800 injectors;

6.5v - 3.6ms
9v - 2.3ms
11.5v - 1.8ms
14v - 1.5ms
16.5v - 1.2ms

Therefore i need to enter around 2.1ms for 10v in the Hydra inj response map.
Why do you *need* to enter 2.1ms for 10V in the Hydra..?

Use these numbers to make your Injector Response table in the Hydra:
6.5v - 2.4ms
9.0v - 1.1ms
11.5v - 0.6ms
14.0v - 0.3ms
16.5v - 0.0ms

...then add 1.2ms to the entire fuel map.
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Why do you *need* to enter 2.1ms for 10V in the Hydra..?

Use these numbers to make your Injector Response table in the Hydra:
6.5v - 2.4ms
9.0v - 1.1ms
11.5v - 0.6ms
14.0v - 0.3ms
16.5v - 0.0ms

...then add 1.2ms to the entire fuel map.

x99percent,

I wasn't sure if it would work or not

I will try, thank you !
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