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Old 09-12-2007, 05:20 PM   #1
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Default Rumormill: China Automobile almost kicked out of Frankfurt show?

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/12/r...rankfurt-show/

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According to UK-based media service Headline Auto, one of the hot rumors flying around the Auto Messe in Frankfurt earlier this morning was that China Automobile, the German importer for Chinese automaker Shuanghuan, was going to get booted out of the exhibit hall. The controversy stems from some bad blood brewing between Shuanghuan and the mainstream manufacturers whose designs it blatantly, unashamedly copies. On display in Frankfurt are the Shuanghuan UFO and CEO SUVs. UFO is a Toyota RAV4 clone, and CEO is a 95% copy of the BMW X5. (We say 95% because Shuanghuan apparently elected to copycat Mercedes-Benz for the CEO's front end design.)

In the end, China Automobile Deutschland got to stay at the show, but Shuanghuan still faces potential trouble ahead, as BMW is considering legal action against the company.

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Headline News: Chinese whispers

Rumours on the morning of the second press day that the IAA show organisers might expel China Automobiles from the show sent TV news crews scurrying to witness the event.
At the heart of the row are the lookalike Toyota Rav 4 - called the UFO and the BMW X5 lookalike, the CEO.

In the end, there were no flying saucers and no embarrassed chief executives at the importer China Automobiles Deutschland but it provided for an entertaining interlude.
Shuanghuan CEO:



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Old 09-12-2007, 06:00 PM   #2
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yeah, they should be banned...
copying other's designs is not tolerated...
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:33 PM   #3
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yeah, they should be banned...
copying other's designs is not tolerated...
It is in China.
They do not have the copyright laws that the US/Europe/Japan have.
There is a reason that products can be built so cheaply there - someone else is doing the designing and engineering. The Chinese automakers are simply copying someone else's hard work.
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:35 PM   #4
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It is in China.
They do not have the copyright laws that the US/Europe/Japan have.
There is a reason that products can be built so cheaply there - someone else is doing the designing and engineering. The Chinese automakers are simply copying someone else's hard work.
this was in Frankfurt. This may be tolerated in China, but they should've been kicked out of the Frankfurt Auto Show.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:22 PM   #5
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this was in Frankfurt. This may be tolerated in China, but they should've been kicked out of the Frankfurt Auto Show.
I agree. If China wants to sell cars abroad, they should be forced to comply with the laws that other car makers honor. Go get them BMW and Toyota: Force them to not sell these outside of China and pretty soon the Chinese will stop stealing technology.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:47 PM   #6
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If designing a car is too hard for them, how about coming up with better names than CEO and UFO? Perhaps S_B might be more appropiate :P
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:26 PM   #7
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They are communists. Intellectual property rights, heck any kind of rights don't mean much... .
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:38 PM   #8
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they arent only cheaper because of the lack of money involved in the design process.... I am 100% confident when i say that the fit and finish, as well as material use in almost all Chinese copies is nowhere near the quality in the real deal. Not that BMW cars are really worth what they charge, but at least they are built well with higher quality components.
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:13 AM   #9
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why is the thread title china automobile, but not Shuanghuan
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:38 AM   #10
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why is the thread title china automobile, but not Shuanghuan
China Automobile is the importer of Shuanghuan vehicles
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:14 AM   #11
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Forget about fit and finish quality. In copying the design you can't verify that the part will function the same unless you understand the full function of the part. I bet the "Engineers" copying these vehicles have very little understanding of what they are copying.

I would like to see a crash-test of these things.

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Old 09-13-2007, 01:19 PM   #12
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Forget about fit and finish quality. In copying the design you can't verify that the part will function the same unless you understand the full function of the part. I bet the "Engineers" copying these vehicles have very little understanding of what they are copying.

I would like to see a crash-test of these things.

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agreed. I can see the conversation now:
Engineer 1: "Hey, what do you think this steel beam in the door is for?
Engineer 2: "I don't know, but it sure is heavy. Steel is expensive, I'm sure we don't need it, if we leave it out we'll save $0.20 per car!"
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:23 PM   #13
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Forget about fit and finish quality. In copying the design you can't verify that the part will function the same unless you understand the full function of the part. I bet the "Engineers" copying these vehicles have very little understanding of what they are copying.

I would like to see a crash-test of these things.

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A couple of years ago I saw a story in the UK about some preliminary crash testing done on Chinese made vehicles and the results were horrific.
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:26 PM   #14
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there real heavy from all the lead in the paint
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:27 PM   #15
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I would like to see a crash-test of these things.

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No, you don't, the results are horrific.
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:26 PM   #16
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F**k China.
R&D is expensive and if they want to play they should have to play by the rules everyone else has to follow. And you may rebutt that we then wouldn't have cheap consumables....so what. Pirating isn't the only thing that makes Chinese crap cheap, artificially holding the value of your currency down so that others may buy more of your products is another way.
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:30 PM   #17
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I think alot has to do with the fact that most spare parts for the actual cars copied are made in China anyways, so they just have to put together the puzzle pieces to make "clones".
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:35 PM   #18
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They should be embarrassed to stand next to their cars. Seriously, how can you stand there in front of the public, in front of a car which is basically a clone of someone else's, and not be completely embarrassed?
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:39 PM   #19
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Take comfort in the fact that not too many people will want to buy these clones. It will likely be unfashionable, similar to buying a wearing a fake Rolex, except much more noticable.
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:58 PM   #20
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F**k China.
R&D is expensive and if they want to play they should have to play by the rules everyone else has to follow. And you may rebutt that we then wouldn't have cheap consumables....so what. Pirating isn't the only thing that makes Chinese crap cheap, artificially holding the value of your currency down so that others may buy more of your products is another way.
While I completely agree with your comments, China is simply playing the game the way they want to because they can make their own rules... it is up to foreign governments to force them to play by our rules if they want to sell their stuff here.
The problem is that our clueless administration isn't willing to jeopardize the ultra-cheap wages to get a level playing field for our home team.
Same crap happened in japan 20 years ago - and continues to this day. They got open access to our markets while we never got the same in return.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:23 PM   #21
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Ya know, if these cars are so terrible in crash tests, the smart thing to do would be for insurance companies to refuse to insure them. That would cull the market for this crap pretty quickly.

Besides, if they can't even make safe toys, who in their right mind would buy a chinese car?
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:09 PM   #22
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A couple of years ago I saw a story in the UK about some preliminary crash testing done on Chinese made vehicles and the results were horrific.
I remeber that. The importer had to recall all the vehicles that they had sold because there was like a 100% chance of death in liek 20MPH frontal impact.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:17 PM   #23
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Holy panel gap! The gaps look larger than a plastic-era Saturn's.
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I can't wait to snap one of these up and rebadge it. NOBODY will even know!
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Old 09-14-2007, 01:32 PM   #25
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The Chinese are pretty prolific about copying anything they can get their hands on. Military technology, cars, etc. They tried copying some civilian airliners a few years ago and I think they just recently "cloned" an Airbus A320. The older airliners they copied some years back were deathtraps and I don't think any of them actually entered service.
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