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Old 01-25-2003, 06:08 PM   #1
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Arrow 1995 Impreza dead: won't start. Syracuse, NY

Hey all

Weather:
25 degrees F today
Sunny
Syracuse, NY

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about 3/4 tank gas (Mobil)
Crank/Cam angle sensors replaced last year
one bottle of Isopropyl anti-freeze
Fuel filter replaced 30K ago

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My babe wont start. This is its 5th day like this. I thought it was because of the sub-zero weather partly, so I didn't bother taking up bandwidth on the site here. Alas, it was nice and warm today, and it still won't start.

My battery is definately charged and ready to roll. Everything comes on when I turn the car "on"....blower, lights, radio, ect.

When I try and start it, it turns over fine, but it doesn't catch. It goes "chug chug chug chug chug" but nothing happens. When I let go of the key, it seems to sputter for a milisecond, but nothing happens.

Steppin16 and I talked about it for a little while, and he thought it was frozen water in the gas line. It made sense the more and more I thought about it. So I waited till today when it was nice and warm, tried to start it, and it wouldnt go. I put the isopropyl in and same deal...even after waiting many hours.

Worst case:
If it doesn't start by the end of the week, Im going to need to have it towed. I heard there was a very good independent Subaru mechanic over off of North Salina by the mall, but I don't know the address or even the name (let alone the streets over there) Anyone know? Hows Bill Rapp? He's close to me.

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Old 01-25-2003, 06:16 PM   #2
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But Kevin... Sunny 25 degrees F is still below freezing.

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Old 01-25-2003, 06:34 PM   #3
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lol, I know

It has never had a problem starting in 20 degree weather though (it has been about -25 with the windchill here the past week)...no modern car should have problems for that matter.

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Old 01-25-2003, 06:41 PM   #4
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It needs fuel, spark and compression to start.
Since you say it turns over normally we can assume it has compression, although it is possible that the timing belt skipped some teeth- has it ever been replaced, how many miles?
After cranking is there any smell of fuel from the exhaust? Maybe pull the plugs, or at least one, see if there is any fuel on them. If they are wet and gas-fouled clean them up or replace them and try again.
Pull a plug wire and hold it near the block (with an insulated tool of course and with no open fuel source around) while someone cranks the engine and see if there is a spark, and if it is normal or weak.
Check all fuses, particularly for the ECU, fuel pump and anything related. Listen for the fuel pump to run briefly when you first turn the key to "run".
That's all general stuff I would check, I'm not familiar with the older Imprezas so I can't offer anything specific. I'm sure Jay and co. will be chiming in soon.
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Old 01-25-2003, 07:55 PM   #5
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Can you check how low the voltage goes when it's cranking? Or maybe try to jump start it to positively rule out the battery as the cause. Then there are vacuum hoses. Did you post a while ago about having the intake cleaned and the MAP sensor replaced? Double check everything is connected correctly.
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Old 01-26-2003, 04:22 AM   #6
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I live in the area and I have never heard of an indie mechanic in the area. Not to mention that N. Salina St. is not one of the best areas in the city. I would have to say that Bill Rapp would be the best. Now mind you that they arent without their issues, but they are alot better than Romano. Ask anyone in the area and you will hear nothing but negative stuff about Romano. Most of us have bought their cars from Rapp, so I would say to have it towed there. I dont trust any of the local dealerships in the area, but maybe thats just me.
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Old 01-26-2003, 11:17 AM   #7
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pull the timing cover and check the condition of the belt?

check engine light?

ive worked with ej22s in the past...generally if we had a "no start" at our shop in a legacy/impreza it was the tbelt, or if there was a CEL flashing it was the MAF (dont believe there was a MAP sensor on a 95 ej22), cam sensor-long black wire that runs from the back of the right side of the timing cover or coolant temp sensor...

might want to rule out these things before getting it towed...all are pretty easy to R&R or fix, even in this cold

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Old 01-26-2003, 01:25 PM   #8
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On AT cars, there is a pressure sensor on the right strut tower. Perhaps Subaru doesn't call it "MAP", because the input alternates between manifold and atmospheric pressures.

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Old 01-26-2003, 01:46 PM   #9
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Thanks for the input

Car is still doing the same thing. It goes "chug chug chug chug" real strong, and when I let off the key I see the RPM incresase ever so so so slightly and then die.

I can hear a hum when the key is turned on...I presume its the fuel pump. Slight fuel odor after it cranks.

Dennis: I cant get the car on long enough to see if there is a light. When I turn the key on, all of the dummy lights come on. When I
"start it", the engine light goes off, but then it comes back on when I let go of the key. I dont have a small enough ratchet to get to all of the bolts on the timing cover. I cant even pull the plugs because I dont have a long enough extension or a spark plug wrench. I dont know if this is important, but I did have a code P105 over Thanksgiving that ran me a ton of money to get rid of.

Mulder: The belt was replaced at 58K along with the temp sensor, water pump, cam seals...the list goes on.

avk: I have never made a post here about the MAF sensor. I checked that pressure sensor you told me about, and it seems to be ok. I still really think the battery is great, as the car has its normal start up sound when its cranking...not weak or anything.

I think it needs to get towed today (Sunday) or Monday...I really need it running again!
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Old 01-26-2003, 02:08 PM   #10
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Kevin: I thought you did post before about replacing MAP (not MAF) to fix that P0105. My idea was that if some hoses were left loose or misrouted for whatever reason, that may be more of a problem in a cold weather when idle bypass is really important. Did you try giving it some gas when cranking?
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Old 01-26-2003, 02:24 PM   #11
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Ohh....is that what a P105 is!? It was just listed as the pressure sensor..is that the MAP? Sucker was like $24O plus a ton of $$ related to the repair...
I checked all hoses again a few seconds ago...everything seems to be firmly attached to the right places.

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Old 01-26-2003, 02:48 PM   #12
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Thats when you just keep kicking it until it decides to cooperate.
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Old 01-26-2003, 07:45 PM   #13
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sounds like youve got yourself a CEL...

im not really in tune with post-1994 subarus but if i recall...the check engine light doesnt illuminate when the key is turned to "ON" unless there are codes stored in there?

when you showed a PO105 awhile back, did u clear it from the ECU's memory? if not try disconnecting the battery for an hour and then reconnect and turn the key again...this should clear it, then look into the other codes that are there if there are any

sorry about my pre-94 specific knowledge...but i bet another engine management component went if you can rule out the tbelt

hope it helps
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Old 01-26-2003, 08:03 PM   #14
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On all cars that I know of, the CEL will be on with all the other warning lights when the key is in the run position and the engine is not running. To see if a code is stored either the engine has to be running to see if the light remains on, or a scanner has to be connected (or the proper pins shorted for diagnostic mode in OBDI cars).
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Old 01-26-2003, 09:19 PM   #15
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Thats when you just keep kicking it until it decides to cooperate.
Still no luck

I definately have a OBD2. Still doing the same thing. It cranks, catches for one split millisecond and then quits. I tried to get at the timing belt cover again, but the bolts are fricken rusted in or something (lots of effort to get undone). I was on my back in the damn snow freezing my arse off not to mention my fingers.

I did find a small oil leak though. I couldn't pin point it, but its coming from the drivers side block somewhere....I love this car

sigh....

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Do you still have the original battery? If so, I'd put in a new one for $40 and wouldn't be sorry even if that didn't fix the problem. Looks like everything else one can think of was replaced already.
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Do you still have the original battery? If so, I'd put in a new one for $40 and wouldn't be sorry even if that didn't fix the problem. Looks like everything else one can think of was replaced already.
Battery was replaced last year with a Interstate MegaTron or something like that...It was more than $40 and it has a really decent CCA rating...I got it because the car was sitting for weeks at a time last winter...never any problems.
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sounds like a fuel pump problem. check the fuse and relay for them pump. After that try checking the fuel filter.
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Old 01-27-2003, 02:41 AM   #19
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I hope that its nothing major. Sounds like you've already spent buku bucks on it. Good luck with they sneaky local dealers if you have to tow it. I could tell you about my bad luck with BIll Rapp but that would be a about a page. If you wanted to hear about Romano it might take a lifetime. I guess you have to ask yourself which is the lesser of the two evils? Too bad we don't have something like Irvine Subaaru in or armpit of the country.
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Let me know if you want to borrow some tools, i have sockets etc. Along with other random stuff., first thing I'd do along with others is check the spark. If it's got spark and fuels and it turns over pretty fast, then you probably have a fuel problem, which could trace back to the engine management or a variety of problems. Of course it could be simply an effect of a bad/loose coil wire or something.
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Old 01-27-2003, 03:38 PM   #21
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If you can tow it to Rochester then Jeff the super mechanic can look at it... I know its far, but its the best I can do.
If I talk to him I will ask him what he thinks the problem is...
Warmer temperatures are coming so maybe that will help!!

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Thanks all. I just saw the car off on a tow truck for the third time under my ownership

What it comes down to is time...I have none during the week, and I need this car on the road. Im in school from 8-6 everyday. I jiggled all sorts of wires, crawled under it, talked to it...it just wouldn't change its attitude.

It has spark (tested ok), it has fuel (can smell it), it has air(filter is ok)....It turns over strong, almost catches, then dies...really strange. The tow truck driver was more authorative with it than I was, and it was still doing the same thing for him.....oh well.

Thanks for the offers for help. Its at Bill Rapp now, and I have the KY jelly beside the phone so I can prep myself after they call
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well good luck kev...let me know how i did?

mulder...thanx for setting me straight with the newer style CEL, learn something everyday i guess, not something im accustomed to. new to me is my 91 xt6, appreciate the info.
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Gotta agree w/ya there. Just because Bill Rapp sells Jaguars too that they feel that they can stick it in the brown bullet hole on ya. Snobs. Well good luck, let us all know what THEY said it was and how much it costs ya.
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Thanks all. I just saw the car off on a tow truck for the third time under my ownership

What it comes down to is time...I have none during the week, and I need this car on the road. Im in school from 8-6 everyday. I jiggled all sorts of wires, crawled under it, talked to it...it just wouldn't change its attitude.

It has spark (tested ok), it has fuel (can smell it), it has air(filter is ok)....It turns over strong, almost catches, then dies...really strange. The tow truck driver was more authorative with it than I was, and it was still doing the same thing for him.....oh well.

Thanks for the offers for help. Its at Bill Rapp now, and I have the KY jelly beside the phone so I can prep myself after they call

MY CAR IS HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHAT WAS THE MATTER WITH YOURS PLEASE EMAIL ME k.richard77@yahoo.com
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