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Old 09-18-2007, 03:46 PM   #1
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Default Gary, IN police incapable of finding two kids who died in a car crash

4 kids, 2 found in car, 2 went missing until father finds them on his own

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The driver in a single-car crash in which two teens were killed said Monday that he pleaded with police to find his missing friends, but Gary police said the driver and another survivor had been drinking alcohol and were unclear about details—including whether there were other passengers in the car.

Darius Moore said that after his car crashed into a ditch early Saturday when a tire blew, the responding officer seemed more interested in the status of his license than his two missing passengers, Dominique Green and Brandon Smith, both 18, whose bodies were found by relatives seven hours after the accident.

"I'm telling [the officer] about my injuries and my two friends and the accident, and he tells me to sit on the curb," Moore said from a bed in his home, where he is recovering after 60 staples were put into his arms and waist. "They're probably saying I was delirious, but at the same time I gave the police my brother's cell-phone number and my mother's cell-phone number."

But Gary Police Chief Thomas Houston pointed out that no matter how fast the department's response had been, neither Green nor Smith could have been saved. The Lake County, Ind., coroner determined that both died instantly in the crash, he said.

"Law enforcement did not cause this accident and these deaths," Houston said at a news conference at police headquarters. "What we do know is that no matter how much emergency equipment had been in place . . . death for those two teens was instantaneous."

As for the delay and inability to find the bodies, Houston said, Moore and DeAndre Anderson, 17, who crawled from the ditch and walked to a nearby home for help, weren't clear whether they had dropped off Green and Smith or if the two were still with the wrecked car. Both had been ejected from the vehicle.

But Moore denied he had been confused about his friends' whereabouts. All four were seniors at Gary West High School.

"How could I have dropped [Dominique] off anywhere when his car is still here?" said Moore, pointing out the window. "We were all coming back to my place."

According to the police chief, the two survivors had been at a "club" that night where alcohol may have been served. One of them had a blood-alcohol level of 0.05 and the other had a level of 0.09—above the legal limit of 0.08 for an adult, Houston said.

Moore denied that he had been drinking while driving or that there had been any alcohol in the car.

The crash occurred at about 3 a.m. Saturday on Chase Street near where it passes over Interstate Highway 80/94. The car flew over the median and crashed into a guardrail before rolling into a ditch. All four passengers, who police said were not wearing seat belts, were thrown from the car.

Moore said when he regained consciousness, he was outside of the vehicle and began calling to his friends. He couldn't find Green and Smith, so he helped Anderson to the top of the ravine. The two teens walked along Chase Street, banging on the doors of houses and screaming for help.

Police said a homeowner called 911 about two suspicious strangers. When police arrived on the scene, an ambulance was called and the two men were taken to the hospital for their injuries.

Later, local law enforcement and emergency personnel searched the area for the two missing friends that Moore had mentioned might be still with the wreckage, police said.

"The officers did search the area," said Gary Police Cmdr. Sam Roberts. "They even had the car lifted and looked underneath the vehicle to see if the bodies had been there. Finding none, the accident report at that time was completed, and the area was cleared and the vehicle towed."

But Smith's uncle, Darren, who searched for the two boys with Smith's father, Arthur, after the unsuccessful attempt by police, said his nephew's body was located just 10 feet from where the car came to a stop.

He shook his head as he recalled the bloody scene, his nephew's body partially coated in leaves and dirt.

"That's the worst I've ever felt in my life," Darren Smith said.

Gary Mayor Rudy Clay said he would work with police and emergency officials to try to ensure that this kind of mishap never happened again.

"If I had been there, I certainly would have called the Fire Department or police for more help," said Clay, though he stressed that because he was not there he would not place blame on anyone.

Darren Smith, who is a Gary firefighter, said the family plans to have an independent autopsy conducted to try to determine whether his nephew's death was instantaneous.

Officials at Gary West High School said counselors were working with students to help them deal with the tragedy.

All four students were on track to graduate and were in good standing at the school, said Sarita Stevens, a spokeswoman for Gary public schools. Though Moore was released from the hospital, Anderson remains hospitalized following surgery, she said.

In his family's apartment Monday, Moore's friends from school filled his bedroom, offering support and condolences. On his dresser sat a picture of him with Dominique and Brandon.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:48 PM   #2
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incapable? Or unable?
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:50 PM   #3
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incapable? Or unable?
incapable. they claim to have done everything in their power yet one of the victims fathers had no problem finding them at the scene in the morning.

they thought the kid was making **** up about having 2 other kids in the car with them
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:51 PM   #4
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This has been on the news. Here are the cliffs as I understand it:

4 young black men coming back from a hip hop concert got in a crash because a tire blew out.

The driver didn't have a valid license.

They were boozed up.

The police found 2 of them and the two gave misleading/incoherent info to the police so the police didn't know there were 2 more people.

The 2 who were not found died instantly so even if the police had located them originally nothing could have been done to help them.

The parents of the ones who died are looking to blame the cops and try to get free money because their kids made stupid decisions.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:51 PM   #5
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incapable? Or unable?
or maybe uncapable...
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:52 PM   #6
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The 2 who were not found died instantly so even if the police had located them originally nothing could have been done to help them.
I guess my counter would be - how exactly do you know that? they werent found until hours after the crash

theres a boatload of back peddling going on by the police on this one.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:55 PM   #7
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or maybe uncapable...
'Inflammable' means 'flammable?' What a country!
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i heard about this either yesterday or the day before, pretty crappy situation.

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Old 09-18-2007, 03:56 PM   #9
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I guess my counter would be - how exactly do you know that? they werent found until hours after the crash

theres a boatload of back peddling going on by the police on this one.
I'm only reporting what I heard. They said the coroners office performed autopsies and concluded they died on impact. If you watch CSI you know there are ways to determine time of death.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:01 PM   #11
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the father is a fireman at the scene so it makes sense he would find the kids ejected from the vehicle. how comepletely horrific though
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incapable. they claim to have done everything in their power yet one of the victims fathers had no problem finding them at the scene in the morning.

they thought the kid was making **** up about having 2 other kids in the car with them
That can make all the difference.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:05 PM   #13
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I'm only reporting what I heard. They said the coroners office performed autopsies and concluded they died on impact.
That's what I read too.


Hammond, IN is right down the street where the mother who raced the train and got creamed from a train coming the other way. That community is saying that its the train lines fault becasue they didn't have a gate there since it is a poor community.

Kid made a poor desicion and killed to of his friends. Now they are trying to pass the buck.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:13 PM   #14
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That can make all the difference.
it certainly can but if they truly did

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there would have been alot of emergency vehicles at the scene, probably with big flood lights and such.

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That's what I read too.


Hammond, IN is right down the street where the mother who raced the train and got creamed from a train coming the other way. That community is saying that its the train lines fault becasue they didn't have a gate there since it is a poor community.

Kid made a poor desicion and killed to of his friends. Now they are trying to pass the buck.

yeah, now thats just ****ed up - did you see the video for it? it couldn't be anyone but the womans fault.

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(CBS) HAMMOND, Ind. The Indiana woman who apparently tried to beat a train when she drove her van across the tracks earlier this month has died.

Edie Bolanos was pronounced dead at 2:10 a.m. Tuesday at Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood. Her two young daughters were both killed in the crash.

Surveillance cameras at the South Shore line's Hammond, Ind., stop captured the video on Sept. 1. The video shows a van apparently barreling across a parking lot, rolling much faster than a train headed in the same direction.

From another camera, the driver appears to be racing the train. The van takes a sharp turn at the parking lot exit then attempts to cross the tracks, but can’t.

One train pushes the van, and another train traveling in the opposite direction crushes it.

Bolanos' daughters, Crystal Bolanos, 11, and Anahi Bolanos, 8, were riding inside the van and were killed when the crash happened.

CSX officials said all signals were working at the time of the crash and that trains there are authorized to roll at up to 40 miles per hour. They also confirm that there were lights, but no gates at that crossing, and that the state of Indiana decides where to put gates based on traffic flow.
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video in the link - races a train out of a parking lot, tries to cut across the tracks and gets creamed
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:20 PM   #15
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this is the first i heard about this, but if the body was indeed found 10 feet from where the car came to a rest...then there is no excuse in my eyes that the other kids were not found.

whether the kids were incoherent or not, if the cops have ANY reason to think that there could be more people injured somewhere (and still alive for all they know) isnt it their duty to launch an all out search?

i would be pissed off too. yes the kids were drunking and underage, but the cops seemed to have played down all their comments to help find their other friends. the cops suggested that maybe the kids dropped off the other kids and forgot about it...but then the body turned up 10 feet from where the car came to rest ...someone isnt doing their job in my opinion.

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Kid made a poor desicion and killed to of his friends. Now they are trying to pass the buck.
Their tire blew out.
One of them blew just barely over the limit. The other about half the limit. They neglected to mention which one was driving the car.

These douchebag cops were too busy harassing these kids to do their job, which is to help and protect people. They didn't even listen to the kid when he told them two of his friends had been ejected! Like he was so "delirious" that he wouldn't know wether or not there were two other passengers in the car? Gimme a friggin break.
Those kids could have been alive down in the ditch in need of medical attention.
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Their tire blew out.
One of them blew just barely over the limit. The other about half the limit. They neglected to mention which one was driving the car.

These douchebag cops were too busy harassing these kids to do their job, which is to help and protect people. They didn't even listen to the kid when he told them two of his friends had been ejected! Like he was so "delirious" that he wouldn't know wether or not there were two other passengers in the car? Gimme a friggin break.
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there is no excuse the kids were not found. whether or not the kids died on impact the cops on duty at the scene should be punished greatly. At the time of the accident, those cops had no clue if the kids were alive or not, they didn't even look. They shouldn't be able to hide behind the excuse "they died on impact anyway" to get off of this obvious mistake that could have led to 2 kids to unnecessarily lose their lives.
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there is no excuse the kids were not found. whether or not the kids died on impact the cops on duty at the scene should be punished greatly. At the time of the accident, those cops had no clue if the kids were alive or not, they didn't even look. They shouldn't be able to hide behind the excuse "they died on impact anyway" to get off of this obvious mistake that could have led to 2 kids to unnecessarily lose their lives.
So by the same token we should go ahead and blame the fire department, the rescue squad and the paramedics correct? Lets go ahead and blame the tow truck driver to for not finding the bodies sooner.

Some people kill me, with some of the statements I've seen in this thread I often wonder how some of you make it through life.
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Their tire blew out.
One of them blew just barely over the limit. The other about half the limit. They neglected to mention which one was driving the car.

These douchebag cops were too busy harassing these kids to do their job, which is to help and protect people. They didn't even listen to the kid when he told them two of his friends had been ejected! Like he was so "delirious" that he wouldn't know wether or not there were two other passengers in the car? Gimme a friggin break.
Those kids could have been alive down in the ditch in need of medical attention.
The kid claims that the tire blew out. Easy to do after the fact. Facts are facts.

He didn't have a drivers license. He had been drinking underage. He was involved in a accident that killed two people.

I am more inclined to believe that he was just a bad driver lost control and crashed.

His uncle (who has a agenda) claims the bodies were 10 feet from the accident site. Could he have fudged his numbers a bit?

The don't say which kid had what BAC becasue they are minors.

And according to the coroner the boys were dead on impact.

Please keep in mind that Gary IN is a racially charged area with blame being passed onto the police everyday.
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there is no excuse the kids were not found. whether or not the kids died on impact the cops on duty at the scene should be punished greatly. At the time of the accident, those cops had no clue if the kids were alive or not, they didn't even look. They shouldn't be able to hide behind the excuse "they died on impact anyway" to get off of this obvious mistake that could have led to 2 kids to unnecessarily lose their lives.

Reading is hard to do.

The police went to the scene with the fire department and searched the area at 3am. they recovered the car, did a full investigation, and found no other bodies.

The kids couldn't tell them definitively if they were even in the car. Again hindsight being 20/20 the kid can claim anything he wants.
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The kids couldn't tell them definitively if they were even in the car. Again hindsight being 20/20 the kid can claim anything he wants.
come on now. lets say youre at .07 BAC and coming home with a group of friends, you get into a wreck and only see one other as you climb out of a ditch bleeding and in shock

I'm pretty sure you know that there are supposed to be two other buddies with you

it would be one thing if he blew ~.24 but they couldnt have been that drunk
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come on now. lets say youre at .07 BAC and coming home with a group of friends, you get into a wreck and only see one other as you climb out of a ditch bleeding and in shock

I'm pretty sure you know that there are supposed to be two other buddies with you

it would be one thing if he blew ~.24 but they couldnt have been that drunk
I've seen people that blew .04 and couldn't stand up. I've also seen a guy blow a .43 and stand there and talk just like a normal person does. BAC has squat do to with how it effects you.
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this is the first i heard about this, but if the body was indeed found 10 feet from where the car came to a rest...then there is no excuse in my eyes that the other kids were not found.
10 ft away...in a bush? 10 ft away....in a depression? Just because someone is 10 ft away at night doesn't mean you will see them, especially if they're wearing dark clothes. Also, it sounds like the vehicle was off the main road in a ditch....emergency vehicles aren't going to be able to illuminate a ditch that well, so you'd probably be depending on handheld lights. Bottomline, visibility during daylight makes a huge difference in SAR.
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I haven't been 17 for along time but I said some pretty stupid stuff to cops, school admins, and many others back then.

In Gary, a black kid lying to protect his drunk friend from police contact? It's possible.
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"Officer, I think two of my friends who were in the car before the accident cant be accounted for. Can you look for them?"
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