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Old 09-21-2007, 06:14 PM   #1
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Lightbulb I need ideas - creak in steering/suspension

So I've had this creaking noise coming from the passenger side front wheel well area for 8 months, and it's getting louder and more annoying. It isn't a sqeak, and it isn't a grind, but more of a creak. I just replaced the larger of the two control arm bushings with poly ones and that did not fix the problem. I've also replaced the front swaybar endlinks. New brake pads are on, newer rotors. There is a newer tie rod w/ balljoint on that side. The CV axle was also replaced less than 10K ago because of a torn boot.

The noise is heard when the suspension moves up or down (not driving down the highway, though) and is more noticeable when turning up a hill, and one wheel travels upward first, then the other wheel. It does not matter which side of the vehicle turns into the hill, it makes the same noise either way. It can also be heard turning sharply on flat ground at low-moderate speeds, up to approximately 30 MPH. I can also make some noise if I brake going in a straight line or accelerate quickly from a stop (only when the car lifts a little in the front).

So, I think it either has to do with suspension or steering, both move some in the circumstances where it makes noise (tie rods travel with the knuckle...?), but I've replaced a lot of parts. What am I forgetting?

The car has ion springs, KYB GR2s with ~90K on them, stock front sway, whiteline front endlinks, whiteline steering rack bushings, brand new OE strut mounts. 183K on the clock.

I plan to replace the other front control arm bushing (the forward one, smaller of the two) with poly next week. I just now thought maybe I need to relube the steering rack bushings, so I'll do that tonight. Also, should I replace those struts? They seem to be working fine, they handle great, but 90K is a few miles. Also, could the stock rubber swaybar endlinks be making that kind of noise?

I'm frustrated as I really thought it was the control arm bushings, and I need ideas to fix this because it's getting annoying!!!

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Old 09-21-2007, 08:24 PM   #2
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(ill admit i only skimmed this)

How are the struts?
Springs seated properly?
Volume controls work on your radio?(turn it up LOL)

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Old 09-22-2007, 04:20 PM   #3
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I have the same problem going on. I need to jack up my car and check out the strut b/c I think thats were the sound is coming from.
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Old 09-24-2007, 04:01 PM   #4
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I installed the front control arm front bushings, and no dice. I also cleaned up the front sway bushes, and the noise is still there. I'm going to rip apart the spring setup, and take a look at the upper perch to make sure it's aligned right. Could it be rubbing on the inside of the wheel well if it wasn't oriented correctly?

I also read something in another thread that mentioned that the noise could be from 'dry' conical washers on the upper spring perch/strut mount. Should these have lubricant on them? The FSM doesn't seem to think so...

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Old 09-24-2007, 08:20 PM   #5
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Upper spring perch was not aligned correctly, and on one side, was rubbing on the inside of the wheel well, like I thought. However, the creak is still there! Is it possible that because of that contact, it could have placed lateral force on the strut, damaging it? Anyone?

When I say not aligned correctly, the two holes should be facing the outside of the car, and mine were pretty far off from that.

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Old 09-25-2007, 10:17 AM   #6
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I'll check mine sometime this week to see if I have the same problem. Hey fastennova dose the noise on your car come and go?
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:11 AM   #7
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exact same issue on a stock 03 legacy L here
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:18 PM   #8
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I'll check mine sometime this week to see if I have the same problem. Hey fastennova dose the noise on your car come and go?
The noise is very consistent. It doesn't matter whether it's hot or cold, whether the car is hot or cold, wet or dry... It's always there, a constant (annoying) companion.

Those of you who are having the same issue, what kind of mileage does your car have? What, if any, upgrades/mods/replacement parts are on the car? Let's see if we can figure out some correlation here between all of us.

I still haven't checked the steering rack bushings, they're a pain to get to. I'll try to get that done tonight.
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:02 PM   #9
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I have a 1999 Subaru legacy GT auto w/ 164k miles. I dont think any of the mods I've done would make this happen but what I have done.
Pulley kit
Full exhaust
Intake
Cross drilled rotors w/ green pads
and other

One thing I have done was take off my strut bar and know that I think about it the noise started about that time. I don't want to put back b/c it gets in the way of the intake and started to rub a hole in it. I love my subie but damn it seems like once I fix one thing an other goes wrong.

well thats my input.

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Old 10-01-2007, 06:42 PM   #10
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Argh, I'm too busy with life. I gotta do a front wheel bearing now (No, that was not the noise, but it was another annoying noise!). I'll hopefully have that done Wednesday and get back to this noise. OZRally, any new information?

I really want to get this fixed and documented, as it's been driving me crazy for a long time.
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:49 PM   #11
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My girlfriends neon has this same noise, but from the drivers side. The noise started happening when she brought the car in to have control arm bushings replaced.

You sure its not the new bushings you put it? I bet they have a tendancy to make more noise than stock rubber as well
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:06 PM   #12
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You sure its not the new bushings you put it? I bet they have a tendancy to make more noise than stock rubber as well
Heh, this car has been making this noise for 9+ months. The bushings have been in the car less than 3 weeks. Pretty sure they're not related. Further, worn rubber bushings would make a different noise than poly ones, from what I understand. Poly bushes would make a higher-pitched 'squeak'. This is a groan, or a creak. Like an old man with a bad back standing up, or an old wooden door

Come to think of it, I think I sound like that when I stand up sometimes. Stupid furniture delivery job in college...
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:22 PM   #13
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I am having same issue with my 01 GT (85000km). I have been reading on this site and on legacygt.com that it might be due to the end link bolts. You can look under nasioc technical>brakes, steering&suspension and look for whiteline front sway bar knocking noise (cant post link sorry)

i am going to try this when i have the time (too damn busy with school to do it now!). Let me know if this helps so i can either do the same or try something else!! thanks!
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Old 10-02-2007, 09:27 PM   #14
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As mentioned before, this noise existed before the Whiteline endlinks went on. After installing the steel endlinks and poly bushes, there was absolutely no change in the sound or the frequency of occurence. So, I'm pretty sure it's not the endlinks...
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:44 PM   #15
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i had this problem. brought it back to the place that installed my springs and they said that the spring mount was off by about half an inch. check the top of your struts to see if they are even.
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Old 03-05-2010, 09:43 PM   #16
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I've got the same issue on a 97 Legacy L with 160K. It's a creaking sound, like stepping on a loose floorboard. It happens after the car is warmed up, like after a few miles of driving. It seems most associated with steering. It even does it if I turn the wheel when the car is stationary. It just started happening one day, and does it every time, now.
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Old 03-05-2010, 10:38 PM   #17
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I can't help thinking that the strut mounts up top have dried out and maybe should be replaced. I can't promise that this will fix your problems over the internet though.

I would recommend replacing them in Pairs, although you might want to try replacing the squeaky side first.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:16 PM   #18
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Now, I'm thinking it might be the steering rack, since both boots are torn and have been for an unknown period of time. But, I'll check the strut mounts, too.
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Old 03-11-2010, 08:33 PM   #19
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My car has the same sound and I think it's most likely the upper strut mount. I'm replacing them in the next couple weeks, I think they're maybe 30 bucks each. Defiinitely worth a try. I'll let you know if it fixes it...
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Old 04-03-2010, 10:50 PM   #20
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I was able to narrow mine down to either the inner tie-rod ball joints, or the outer tie rod joints. I warmed up the car and then put it up on blocks, got underneath while my buddy turned the wheel back and forth. If I had thought of it, I would have used a stethoscope or put my ear against the handle of a long screwdriver and listened to each part. Anyway, I found my steering rack boots were torn and replaced them, adding some grease to the inner tie rod ball joint. That seems to have fixed the sound for now.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:47 AM   #21
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I have the same issue, I replaced the inner tie rods on both sides and it fixed the noise for awhile until about 2 months after that it came back. Took it back to my mechanic whos a subaru specialist and he said its the whole steering rack that needs replacing
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:36 PM   #22
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yikes! I may have to do that too, eventually. But I wonder why the sound went away on yours for a while if it was the rack the whole time?
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:03 AM   #23
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The rack must've broken down later on, before when I filled my transmission fluid it lasted a long time, now that my rack is done it leaks all the oil out so I have to top it every couple of days...
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