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Old 09-24-2007, 03:08 PM   #1
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Plain and simple.

Turn In Concepts will make your car handle better.


Now, this thread is going to be a little unique as Turn In Concepts is going to post information about each category of part, why you want it, and why it will make your car handle better.

All these parts offered by Turn In Concepts can be obtained from the Turn In Concepts website. That site is http://turninconcepts.com

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Endlinks:


Turn In Concepts stocks the Kartboy brand endlinks. They are of extremely high quality, and the support offered by Kartboy and Turn In Concepts, your official Kartboy distributor, is second to none.

Endlinks connect a component of the suspension to the anti-roll bar (aka swaybar). The purpose of the bar is to control body roll, and in the case of the front bar to control camber loss during a turn. In order for the anti-roll bar to be most effective it must be able to twist. Afterall, it is a torsion spring. Any slack or play in the system connecting the moving suspenion component to the bar or the bar to the chassis lessens the effectiveness.

The stock endlinks lessen the effectiveness of the anti-roll bar by being flexible. The more they flex the less energy is transferred to the bar. The less energy that's transferred to the bar the less effective the performance.

So, one of the first, most simple, most cost effective modifications you can do to your car to make it handle better is to buy the Kartboy brand endlinks from Turn In Concepts.

There are WRX and RS rear "C" shaped endlinks available for $100 shipped in the US from Turn In Concepts at this link -> Turn In Concepts link to Kartboy WRX and RS rear endlinks

There are STi rear endlinks available for $100 shipped in the US from Turn In Concepts at this link -> Turn In Concepts link to Kartboy STi rear endlinks

There are Impreza Sedan front endlinks available for $100 shipped in the US from Turn In Concepts at this link - > Turn In Concepts link to Kartboy Sedan front endlinks.

There is a WRX and RS Sedan front and rear endlink combo package for $180 shipped in the US from Turn In Concepts at this link -> Turn In Concepts link to Kartboy WRX and RS sedan endlink combo.

There is an STi front and rear endlink combo package for $180 shipped in the US from Turn In Concepts at this link -> Turn In Concepts link to Kartboy STi endlink combo.

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Rear Anti-rollbar:


Anti-rollbar, rollbar, anti-swaybar, swaybar - Technically all the same thing. Sure the ones missing the "anti" are misnomers, but it's becoming more accepted to refer to them with out the "anti." Afterall, think of all the electrons wasted just typing that over and over.

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carries, and stocks Whiteline brand anti-rollbars, rollbars, anti-swaybars, swaybars. Turn In Concepts is happy with the brand, happy with the support, and happy with the performance increases that Whiteline's bars provide. Turn In Concepts uses Whiteline bars exclusively on their own cars because Turn In Concepts puts performance before any useless or sub-performing crap.

An anti-rollbar is simply another form of spring. It's just not coiled up like a slinky or the springs that go with your dampers. Instead an anti-rollbar gets its "springiness" by torsion (twisting). This force is applied from the suspension components that move (lateral links, control arms), through the endlinks (see above) to the bar. This twisting basically provides a force downward on the corner that is compressed or loaded through a turn. This downward force or resistance is what helps to lessen the body roll of the car in a turn.

In the case of the rear bar this has the affect of allowing the rear of the car to rotate around a center point (apex of the turn) more easily as it resists weight transfer allowing the tires to "slide" out in the back. The weight will still transfer, but it will take longer, and the back of the car will not lean as much.

Anti-rollbars come in two flavors, hollow and solid. Hollow bars are nice for the weight savings they provide, BUT they must also be larger to have the same effective "spring" as a solid bar. This starts to become a concern with larger bars due to the mounting capacity of the chassis mounts and just how big a bar they can accommodate. Additionally, we here at Turn In Concepts have yet to see a proper hollow bar. A proper hollow bar should be polished inside. Without that polishing the inside is rough, and at every rough spot stress is increased. This will eventually compromise the integrity of the bar. Additionally, many hollow bars are not made properly to seal against moisture. The inside of hollow bars can rust, and just like polishing, Turn In Concepts has yet to see a hollow bar with anti-rust treatment on the inside. This rust will create rough spots on the inside which just like the lack of polishing will compromise the integrity of the bar. Whiteline bars are solid. While they may weigh a little more than a hollow bar they will be just as stiff with a smaller diameter, and do not have the interior problems of a hollow bar.

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Do not discount the simplicity of this device when it comes to handling. Despite how easily it works an anti-rollbar will have a huge impact upon the handling of your car.

Additionally, it is very important to use the correct size bar for your application. If you go too small the effect can be disappointing, but not overly dangerous. If you go too big though you can easily loose control of your car and cause some serious damage to yourself and others. If you need some guidance on what size bar to get then please contact Turn In Concepts for consultation. You can contact Turn In Concepts by going to http://turninconcepts.com and clicking on the "contact us" link on the lower left side.

WRX and RS:
Whiteline 22mm adjustable rear bar is only $155 shipped in the US. You can buy this bar from Turn In Concepts by following this link:
Click here to purchase this bar from Turn In Concepts

Whiteline 24mm adjustable rear bar is only $175 shipped in the US. You can buy this bar from Turn In Concepts by following this link:
Click here to purchase this bar from Turn In Concepts

STi:
Whiteline 22mm adjustable rear bar is only $155 shipped in the US. You can buy this bar from Turn In Concepts by following this link:
Click here to purchase this bar from Turn In Concepts

Whiteline 24mm adjustable rear bar is only $175 shipped in the US. You can buy this bar from Turn In Concepts by following this link:
Click here to purchase this bar from Turn In Concepts

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Old 09-27-2007, 01:52 PM   #4
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Since we've already got you at the back of the car with the talk of anti-roll bars Turn In Concepts is going to continue along in this vein.

Rear diff mount bushings:

Straight from the Turn In Concepts website (and an amusing read at that).

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Are you tired of the "diff dance of distraction and deflection" when you're getting on it in your Subaru? Are you interested in better throttle response, and a more connected feeling with the car? If so, then by all means, please continue reading.

Made to fit the newer generation of Impreza chassis (That's the GD guys, 2002+). To check for fitment take a look at the pics and instructions. If your Subaru has the mount with the bushings on the ends then these will fit. (Except for the old Legacy Turbo - we know they won't fit on these).

See, the problem is this - the stock bushings are just plain wimpy. First, they are made of rubber (floppy, sloppy rubber). Second, they have a void above and below the center bore (you know, a void, like something is missing - kinda like when you're talking to someone and you realize that something in their head just ain't connected right, but you can't quite figure out what's wrong with them). This floppy, sloppy, empty headedness is fine if you're like 900 years old, and you drive like Grandma going to church in a school zone, but for anyone who likes to give their Subaru a little bit of gas on occasion they just won't do.

See, when you get on it the stock bushing flexes too much, and the void in the bushing closes quickly causing an impact. This is the source of that stupidly distracting clunk. It's also inefficient. You can also think of it this way - you're only putting out a finite amount of energy to drive the car forward. Why the heck would you want floppy, wimpy bushings soaking up some of that energy when you could be putting it to the wheels?

So what's the big deal with these?

Well, let me make a list:
  • Urethane instead of rubber
  • Stiffer than stock
  • No stupid voids

What else?

Well, since you asked, here's a few more things to consider.
  • There are others on the market making replacements for the bushings. Those are all one piece designs that require a press to install. Come on, how many people have a press sitting around in their garage? Ours is a split design. Trust us - it makes your life MUCH easier when it comes to the install.
  • You could get the entire STi branded part with Group N bushings, but the metal portion of the mount is the exact same as what you already have on your car. Why would you pay extra to get a part that you already have?
  • NVH - Hey, we've been playing with these for a while now and really haven't experienced much more NVH. Sure, there probably is some more, but quite honestly we can't really tell.
  • Cost - you remember those others we mentioned above? Yeah, ours cost less.
The Turn In Concepts rear diff mount bushings come in two flavors; race and comfort. It can sometimes seem a bit confusing to know which to go with. Therefore, Turn In Concepts has this simple guide - if you have to worry or wonder about which to get then get the Comfort version.

Either version is $40 shipped in the United States (AL and HI included).

To purchase the RACE version of the Turn In Concepts rear diff mount bushings click here.

To purchase the COMFORT version of the Turn In Concepts rear diff mount bushings click here.




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Amazing!

Is it possible for Turn In Concepts to be any more Turn In Concepts?
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Amazing!

Is it possible for Turn In Concepts to be any more Turn In Concepts?
I'm working on it. Turn In Concepts strongly believes in the Turn In Concepts philosophies to help Subaru owners in their quest for enjoyment. Some of those philosophies are:
  • Develop or carry parts that are of high quality
  • Develop or carry parts that are performance oriented, and designed to actually improve the car in the aspect of their fitment.
  • Provide these parts at a price that is realistic. Not the cheapest, not the most expensive, but at a true price for the level of enjoyment the parts provide.
  • Get these parts to paying customers as quickly as possible.
  • Offer the best support and consultation for needs possible.
  • Have fun!

This is the core of what drives Turn In Concepts.
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Rear outrigger bushings:

Sometimes referred to as the doughnut bushings. These simple bushings will keep the outriggers, which are built into the forward portion of the rear subframe/diff carrier from moving up and down so much. This will improve feeling from the rear of the car, and keep things from being so noisey during hard acceleration.

Turn In Concepts carries the Kartboy brand of outrigger bushings. These area available in both Comfort and Race versions. Price for either is $32 with shipping in the US included.

To order the COMFORT version from Turn In Concepts click here.

To order the RACE version from Turn In Concepts click here.

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Race version:

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i met turn in concepts @ a local meet in chicago (pompei) and id have to say these guys know about the concept of turning. cool guys.
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i met turn in concepts @ a local meet in chicago (pompei) and id have to say these guys know about the concept of turning. cool guys.
Number one concept of turning - You're not going staight.
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A quick trip to the front of the car...

Whiteline Anti-lift kit:

We can't say it any better than Nhluhr can so we're going to quote him (thanks Nick!!).

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Here's some details on the kit:
  • The ALK is available in three durometers - Comfort, Sport, Race.
  • The body is solid 6061 aluminum.
  • It comes with all necessary spacers and hardware.

Here's what it does:
  • Stiffer bushing gives a more solid mounting point for the suspension which does a few things. Most important of these is better toe control at speed/braking and crisper turn-in. Any stiffer aftermarket bushing (including the STI group N part) does this.
  • Extra caster which gives a stronger on-center feel to the steering as well as more "dynamic camber" during cornering.
  • Removes the anti-lift and anti-dive characteristics of the stock suspension. What this means is that it effectively softens your front suspension's movement during fore/aft weight transfer which allows the wheel to follow the road a little better during acceleration/braking in a corner.
Turn In Concepts stocks both the comfort and sport version of the WL ALK with fitment for the 2002+ Impreza. Either version is $200 shipped for free in the US.

To order your COMFORT version of the WL ALK from Turn In Concepts click here.

To order your SPORT version of the WL ALK from Turn In Concepts click here.



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A quick bump....

A whole mess of Kartboy STi rear endlinks came in the other day. This is something you NEED to do on your STi if you're even thinking of picking up a stiffer rear bar. Price is $100 shipped in the US.

To order your Kartboy STi rear endlinks from Turn In Concepts click here.

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And now back to the front of the car...

Turn In Concepts fender cowl braces.


Here's what they do, and why you need them:

Tie the lower a-pillar to the forward upper frame member. Your car has some stock. The 2004 through 2006 guys get cheapy stamped steel ones from the factory. 2007 guys get beefier tubular ones. The stamped steel ones are junk. Absolute rubish!

What happens is the forward upper frame member tends to flex under load. To clarify, the forward upper frame member can be seen by opening your hood. Take a look at where the fender bolts up. That's the frame member. It's big and beefy. It's welded to the a-pillar where the two of them meet. The front end, well, it's just hanging out there. This leaves the upper frame member too much leeway to flex. Now, take a look at what's attached to that upper frame member. You'll see that it's quite a bit of the front suspension mounting points. When that frame member flexes those suspension points go up and down.

What you end up with is a spring. A springs that's undamped. Undamped means uncontrollable. It just oscillates away until it expels its energy. This is a bad thing. You need the suspension mounting points to be as rigid as possible. That way the suspension, which is damped and thus controlled, can do what it's supposed to do. And it can do it in a manner it's supposed to.

Even with the factory stamped steel pieces the frame member flexes too much. Our fender cowl braces fix that problem. By being beefier than the stock braces it's more resistant to stretch and compression. This helps to keep the upper frame member from becoming a spring.

The install:
The install is pretty darn easy. YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMOVE THE FENDER!!

The price for the TiC fender cowl braces is only $95 shipped in the US, and many will tell you that's a heck of a deal for what they did for their cars.

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You guys making any progress on making some Rear Diff Bushings for the early GC's? Don't forget about us GC guys
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You guys making any progress on making some Rear Diff Bushings for the early GC's? Don't forget about us GC guys
Not really. I can't come up with a good split design where the tooling cost isn't huge, and I still can't get past what a PITA the install will be.

We did get some of the superpro bushings for that location in, but they are gone (and never even made it onto the site). I need to get some more of those here.
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Not really. I can't come up with a good split design where the tooling cost isn't huge, and I still can't get past what a PITA the install will be.

We did get some of the superpro bushings for that location in, but they are gone (and never even made it onto the site). I need to get some more of those here.
Are the superpro's a split design?
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Are you getting any of the Whiteline adjustable wagon FSBs in anytime soon?

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Sadly not anytime soon. The distrib is out of them, and doesn't have an ETA on them.
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Nope. They are not.
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