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Old 05-13-2001, 11:14 AM   #1
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Post Who runs N20???

how long have you been using it?
how big of a shot do you use?
wet or dry?
have you had any problems or concerns?

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Old 05-13-2001, 04:02 PM   #2
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What is N20? I'm assuming you mean NO2 (nitrous oxide). Not me, but I thought I'd clear this up.
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Old 05-13-2001, 04:15 PM   #3
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and to clear you up it's actually n2o.
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Old 05-13-2001, 06:00 PM   #4
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Not to be a jerk but it is N02, I'm currently in a college chemistry class so I should have some idea.
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Old 05-13-2001, 06:19 PM   #5
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Old 05-13-2001, 06:51 PM   #6
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N20, dinitrogen monoxide. I already took college chemistry. I don't run it (you already know that) but I would recommend a 50 or 60 shot on a wet system.

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Old 05-13-2001, 07:13 PM   #7
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Am I the only one really confused by this string? NO2 vs. N20. Are they both talking about nitrous oxide or some cool new go-fast gas?
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Old 05-13-2001, 07:14 PM   #8
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Kevin Thomas is running a 70 shot setup, I think. And it is NO2. Nitrous Oxide. And then there is nitro-methane. But that is another ball of wax together
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Old 05-13-2001, 07:29 PM   #9
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IM running a 55 shot of a dry Zex kit. I havent had any problems with it yet, but its also a Zex kit not a standard NOS dry kit. Kevin is actually running a 60 shot i believe and thats on top of the boost he is running. and he is still on stock internals!!!
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Old 05-13-2001, 08:36 PM   #10
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You guys who keep saying it's NO2 should go do some research. At least do a Yahoo search for Nitrous Oxide System's web page, it will make you look less clueless if you don't get something so simple incorrect. It's N2O:

N2 = two nitrogen atoms, hence the plural "nitrous" with an "s" on the end

O = one oxygen atom, hence the singular term "oxide"

Or, if you don't believe me, go look at:
http://www.nosnitrous.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/NOS2.html

It say "N2O right on the first page.

Having said the above, I've run up to 250 hp, but it wasn't on a Subaru. If you have any general questions I'd be glad to help, but I have no Subaru experience yet. Ask me in a couple months after I get my WRX. I plan on making a wet kit out of extra parts I have sitting around. I want to spray maybe 40 hp at most. It will use a seperate fuel cell and seperate fuel pump for the nitrous system, so I can feed the nitrous system race gas, while the engine runs standard 93 octane in the tank.

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Old 05-13-2001, 08:49 PM   #11
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<FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Not that I'm bringing schooling into the fray, but I'm a chem engineering major. Aardvark, please stop acting high and mighty- you are the one who is looking silly here, and that is the most warped sense of logic I've seen. "Nitrous" is NOT a plural form of nitrogen any more than "oxide" is a singular. Fact of the matter is, N20 is indeed Dinitrogen Oxide, whereas NO2 is nitrogen dioxide ( not nitrogen oxides ) Dinitrogen Oxide CANNOT happily remain stable, and I'm afraid that Yahoo! is NOT the Oracle at Thebes. Just because it's in print does NOT make it correct.

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Old 05-13-2001, 08:59 PM   #12
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N2O is correct though, even if my definitions of plural and singular are not applicable.

Please explain how N2O is not stable? N2O is a non flammable gas. It's perfectly stable at atmospheric temperature and pressure. It only becomes unstable above a certain temperature and pressure, at which point the oxygen atom splits off. If I'm wrong, please give me a lengthy and detailed explanation.

I only brought up a Yahoo search to give an example of research.
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Old 05-13-2001, 09:01 PM   #13
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Jeez, where did you goto school Brian? It's N20, don't believe me?
http://www.tlchm.bris.ac.uk/motm/n2o/n2oc.htm
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Old 05-13-2001, 09:04 PM   #14
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Ohmigawd you guys... lighten up!
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Old 05-13-2001, 09:44 PM   #15
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Kevin Thomas
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they run NOS they maybe able to help
Also I posted dyno on a venom kit on an impreza should be tip top of the links page
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Old 05-13-2001, 10:33 PM   #16
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all of you who back me up with the n2o thanks.i knew it was my dad is a damn chemical engineer.oh yeah for all you college chemistry guys, my dad has been saying that this generation of college grads are the dumbest from what he has seen from his experience of hiring shmucks like you.
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i also say its N20..
read up.right on the page, http://www.nitrousexpress.com/htmpages/contents.htm

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Old 05-13-2001, 10:44 PM   #18
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hey now. im lovin this,those n2o posts just keep on comin.man you no2 guys must feel real smart.oh wait your in college chem so you guys know everything.i'd say its college chem for dunces,what college is this?remind me not to go there.
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hey now. im lovin this,those n2o posts just keep on comin.man you no2 guys must feel real smart.oh wait your in college chem so you guys know everything.i'd say its college chem for dunces,what college is this?remind me not to go there.
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Old 05-13-2001, 10:52 PM   #20
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Hey man, I was right. I goto the University of Michigan, but I'm hardly a chem major. Just a humble Aerospace Engineer.
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Old 05-13-2001, 10:56 PM   #21
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hey yo JC i wasnt talkin about you. i was talkin about the know it alls audiguy,bob,and dire.
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Old 05-13-2001, 11:05 PM   #22
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Old 05-13-2001, 11:28 PM   #23
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I'd also like to add that many will say finksta is being harsh. Ya well, life sucks, you messed up and you need to face the consequences. There are lots of people who are mean on this board for no good reason, this time it's actually justified. IBTL
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Old 05-13-2001, 11:47 PM   #24
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Lightbulb

how long have you been using it?
2years

how big of a shot do you use?
Between 50-60 shot on and off.

wet or dry?
Dry

have you had any problems or concerns?
A strange smell comes from engine bay after using Nitrous repeatedly during back to back runs (more than 3 runs immediately following each other). Not recommended! And you should be concerned for your clutch/torque converter and transmission using this.

Dinitrogen Oxide (nitrous oxide, laughing gas, NNO or N2O): A gas which has the physiological effect of relaxing the user. It was used in dentistry, and still is used combined with oxygen (See Entonox) to relieve the pain of childbirth. From another site---&gt;The principal use of nitrous oxide is as an anesthetic in surgical operations of short duration; prolonged inhalation causes death. The gas is also used as a propellant in food aerosols."

Part 2 of Dinitrogen Oxide: A colourless gas, N2O, d. 1.97 g dm-3; m.p. -90.8C; b.p. -88.5C. It is soluble in water, ethanol, and sulphuric acid. It may be prepared by the controlled heating of ammonium nitrate (chloride free) to 250C and passing the gas produced through solutions of iron(II) sulphate to remove impurities of nitrogen monoxide. It is relatively unreactive, being inert to halogens, alkali metals, and ozone at normal temperatures. It is decomposed on heating above 520C to nitrogen and oxygen and will support the combustion of many compounds. Dinitrogen oxide is used as an anaesthetic gas (`laughing gas') and as an aerosol propellant.


Nitrogen Dioxide: (NO2) A poisonous brown gas with a pungent smell. It is a free radical, having an odd number of electrons, and in consequence it is magnetic. It supports combustion and is an acidic oxide, dissolving in water to form a mixture of nitrous and nitric acids. On cooling it liquefies and pairs of molecules combine to form nitrogen tetroxide, used as an oxidant in rocketry.

Part 2 of Nitrogen Dioxide: A poisonous brown gas that is produced in many ways: in the environment as a result of reaction between nitrogen and oxygen in an internal combustion engine, in industry during the manufacture of nitric acid in the Ostwald process, and in the laboratory when copper reacts with concentrated nitric acid or nitrates are thermally decomposed. It tends to dimerize and an equilibrium with the lighter-coloured dimer, dinitrogen tetroxide, is set up:

So folks, it IS NO2. We've been seeing the wrong stuff all along. Damn, you learn something everyday. Thanks for pointing this out folks. Definitions were found at Xrefer . And no, I don't have a college degree, just common sense.

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Jeez Kevin. NO2 is produce by an internal comustion engine not put into it. An excerpt from my link...

"At room temperature, N2O is quite unreactive with most substances, including alkali metals, halogens, and even ozone. It is therefore widely used as a propellant in
aerosol cans in place of the CFCs which can damage the ozone layer. When heated sufficiently, however, N2O decomposes exothermically to N2 and O2.

<IMG SRC="http://www.tlchm.bris.ac.uk/motm/n2o/n2oreact.gif" border=0>

If this reaction occurs in the combustion chamber of an automobile, 3 moles of gas would be produced from 2 moles, providing an extra boost to the piston, as well as liberating more heat. It also has a number of other benefits. The increased oxygen provides more efficient combustion of fuel, the nitrogen buffers the increased cylinder pressure controlling the combustion, and the latent heat of vaporisation of the N2O reduces the intake temperature. Therefore N2O is occasionally injected into the fuel lines of racing cars to give more power to the engine and to give the car exceptional acceleration."

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