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Old 01-15-2002, 02:20 PM   #1
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Default oil change - put it up on ramps or no?

just like the subject says.

thanks.
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Old 01-15-2002, 02:28 PM   #2
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I can easily change oil without lifting the car. The filter is close to the bumper, and drain bolt is not too far away either.
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Old 01-15-2002, 02:32 PM   #3
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Default on the ground works for me

You can change oil in the drive way just fine as long as you have a couple things.

You need a low profile pan to drain it in.
You will probably need a suitable oil filter wrench because you won't have much leverage if the car is not raised up.

By the way, the stock subaru oil filter has an anti-drain back valve, and it _will_ have quite a bit of oil run out when you first break the oil filter free. Expect to get someoil on your hand and arm from the filter.

Just did it in the driveway yesterday, so fresh memories !!

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Old 01-15-2002, 03:36 PM   #4
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I put it on jack stands. My drain pan is quite large, and it would get really tight without raising the car. Jacking up the car doesn't take very long, and it gives me plenty of room to conveniently access everything. If you have ramps, that would be even quicker.
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Old 01-15-2002, 03:52 PM   #5
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My car was lowered about an inch and I can still get underneath. Do yourself a big favor and buy yourself a Fumotovalve. It makes changing your oil a breeze and drip free (except your filter).

The lo-profile oil catch is a good idea.

Buy it online direct HERE!
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Old 01-15-2002, 03:53 PM   #6
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I use ramps, probably don't need to but I think it makes it easier. And I'm all about easy. If you don't have one order a Fumato valve, sooooooo much easier and less mess. Have fun.

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Old 01-15-2002, 05:31 PM   #7
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i would order a fumoto valve - only problem being is that it won't fit because of my skidplate
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Old 01-16-2002, 03:00 PM   #8
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I don't have ramps, I just drive one wheel onto a piece of wood or the yellow pages
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Old 01-16-2002, 04:37 PM   #9
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Originally posted by wrx182
i would order a fumoto valve - only problem being is that it won't fit because of my skidplate
What skidplate do you have?
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Old 01-17-2002, 09:43 AM   #10
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Old 01-17-2002, 10:05 AM   #11
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I just don't trust those Fumoto valves, what if the spring fails?

What's the big deal with having to undo a bolt once every few months?

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Old 01-17-2002, 10:35 AM   #12
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I just don't trust those Fumoto valves, what if the spring fails?
Not a single failure has been reported yet. I don't see how the spring could fail. If the spring does fail, it's no biggie since the valve will still be closed. You will still need to turn the lever 90 in order to open the valve.

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Old 01-17-2002, 11:45 AM   #13
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The Fumoto valve is fairly stiff even when you've lifted the lever against the spring - so it won't move by itself. If installed in the correct position, even hitting something won't open it.

It's a very well designed item. I was impressed when I got mine. Whether it's worth $20 to not have to use a wrench, remove and replace the crush washer and so forth is another story.
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Old 01-17-2002, 12:05 PM   #14
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Another vote for Fumoto valve and ramps. The ramps give you a little more "breathing room" when you crawl underneath!
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Old 01-17-2002, 12:40 PM   #15
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I was very skeptical about the Fumoto drain valve at first, but after using mine for the past five months, I don't think I will ever go back to the stock drain bolt and crush washer again. The spring in the valve is there to exert pressure on the lever. The valve is not held closed by spring pressure. If the spring or the lever happens to break (very unlikely), the valve will still be closed and no oil will drain out.

Here is the FAQ on the Fumoto valve: http://www.fumotovalve.com/about.cfm

Here are some interesting excerpts from the FAQ:

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The Engine Oil Drain Valve has been tested and granted "Genuine Part" status by six major motor vehicle manufacturers in Japan. These approvals were not granted easily and gaining them was a testimony to the quality and durability of the Engine Oil Drain Valve.

Q. Does my Engine Oil Drain Valve protrude into the interior of the oil pan and prevent full drainage of my engine oil?

A. No. The threaded oil drain plug hole is always reinforced to accept the threaded bolt of the drain plug. Your Engine Oil Drain Valve will not extend past this threaded portion of the drain hole and will allow the oil to be properly drained.
I don't use ramps when changing my oil and oil filter.

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Old 01-23-2002, 10:01 PM   #16
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Since ramps take less than a minute to deploy I use them. With the Fumoto valve life is good, I don't see how the valve can open by accident.
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Old 01-24-2002, 02:32 PM   #17
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I've got a Fumoto valve, and I think it's a marvelous little thing. I don't use ramps when I change my oil, but I have noticed that it's a lot tighter underneath my WRX than it was underneath my MY01 RS (due to all the extra plumbing, no doubt).
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Old 01-24-2002, 04:08 PM   #18
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The oil can be changed just fine without using ramps. However, if you do use ramps, you can slide around and tinker with other things on the underside of your car as you change your oil.
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Old 01-24-2002, 05:14 PM   #19
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i changed the oil in the wrx for the first time (myself doing it, i
mean) a couple weeks ago, and i just jacked the car on both
sides, not even enough to get the wheels off the ground.
i found that you can slide under the car pretty easy, but it sure
helps if you've got a little extra room...
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Old 01-27-2002, 03:49 AM   #20
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To avoid oil on your arm when changing the filter poke a hole in the bottom of it with a screwdriver. Let it all drain out that way, then just unscrew it. Much less messy. I had a fumoto valve on my montero and went through all kinds of offroad situations. Never had any problem with it. Although, it does drain VERY slowly.
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Old 01-27-2002, 04:06 AM   #21
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hehe I can just see me jabing around with a screw driver under my car:

<Ping> <Pong> Mis a few times <*cus words*> Try again < Donk> glance off... try it again <Dink - Thud - gush.....> glanced off again and Hit the radiator...

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Old 01-31-2002, 02:01 PM   #22
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do I need a new crush washer to put in with the Fumoto valve?

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Old 01-31-2002, 02:07 PM   #23
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The Fumoto valve comes with its own washer, so you do not need to use a new crush washer with it.

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Old 01-31-2002, 05:03 PM   #24
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I jack up one side and then put a stand under it in case it loses pressure for some reason. Plenty of room...BUT I've noticed that I've chipped a tiny bit of paint off after awhile. Oh well. Plenty of room and takes a few seconds....I was going to get ramps but I've seen some that would just take off the bottom of my bumper!!!
Ramps should be LONG(not too long), especially if it's lower than stock.

^ Finally another good use for the Yellow pages!

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Old 02-01-2002, 09:59 PM   #25
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I slightly jack up the driver side of the car, just a few notches, because that allows all the oil to come out of the pan....
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