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Old 10-02-2007, 07:04 PM   #1
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Arrow { JUSTADJUST } - THE ADJUSTABLE STRUTS THREAD (KYB, Tokico, Koni, Ohlins, STI...)

This thread is for Adjustable Struts only
{ JUSTADJUST } :: TH3 OFFICIALZ ADJUSTABLE STRUTS THREAD -
(KYB, Tokico, Koni, Ohlins, STi )
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-- KYB AGX Struts
1 way adjustables (4 levels of adjust on the front 8 in the rear, or is it the other way arround ? ) About $450
2002-2003 ( will fit other years with washer mod)
734034 734035 -front
734036 734037 -rear
http://www.kyb.com/products/detail.php?ID=4

--Tokico D-Spec Adjustable Struts
1 way adjustables ( Infinite levels adjustable with 7 turns to the dial ) About $550
2002-2003 ( will fit 2004-2007 years with washer mod)
http://www.tokicousa.com/Products/SP/
http://www.hitachi-hap-la.com/Tokico...pec/index.html
... need part numbers

-- Koni Suspension Sport Adjustable Struts
1 way , or 2 way adjustable (info here is for the 1 way ) (infinitely levels of adjustability) about $600
8610 1351Sport -front
8610 1440Sport -rear
http://www.koni-na.com/cat_search.cf...x=9&submit.y=4

-- Ohlins Sportline Adjustable Fixed Perch Struts
1 way adjustable (25 levels of adjustability)

Part #'s
02-07 WRX and 04 STi:
Front: SUS 5E00
Rear: SUS 6E00

05-07 STi:
Front: SUS 5F00
Rear: SUS 6F00

They can be had for under $2000 most places.
http://www.ohlins.com/Our-products/Automotive/


--JDM STi Pink Struts
http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/parts.html
JDM STi Pink Struts
- 40% Stiffer Over USDM Struts
- 1 way adjust (4 levels of Adjustability)
- Manufactured by KYB Japan
05-07 STI

??? offered for 02/03 sedan, 02/03 wagon, 04+ WRX sedan, 05+ STi
... need official website and part numbers
... More info needed on these ones ....



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>>--- 2002-2003 WRX, WRX Wagon, 2.5RS, 2.5 TS Wagon, Outback Sport

The following have a specific fitment for 02-03 WRX and RS, and all of the following spring and strut top fitment with these is the same as it is for the stock struts.

- KYB AGX
- Koni Inserts (not a complete strut, see sticky)
- Tokico D-SPEC
- STi/SPT Version 7

To use OEM or aftermarket struts that have a specific fitment for 04-07 RS, WRX, or 04 STi, you must use 04+ style rear strut tops and 04+ springs.

05+ STi struts will not fit.

Wagons are different, see notes below.

>>--- 2004-2007 Impreza WRX, WRX Wagon, 2.5RS, 2.5 RS Wagon, Outback Sport

The following have a specific fitment for 04-07 WRX and RS, and all spring and strut top fitment with these is the same as it is for the stock struts.

- Koni Inserts (not a complete strut, see sticky)
- Ohlins adjustable Fixed Perch Struts
- STi Version 8 Arai Pink Struts

The following OEM and aftermarket struts for 02-03 Impreza can work in 2 ways.

- KYB AGX
- Tokico D-SPEC
- STi/SPT Version 7

Either by using 02-03 springs and 02-03 rear strut top mounts.

OR

By using 04+ style springs, 04+ style rear strut top mounts, and the Scooby921 strut spacer. Details on why the spacer is needed available here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=563382

Scooby921 Strut Spacer available

05+ STi struts will not fit.



>>--- Wagon Differences

Struts are specific to the Wagon. While sedan OEM and aftermarket struts and coilovers will fit, you will lose negative camber.

This can be corrected with camber bolts and/or camber plates.

The only upgraded struts that retains stock camber numbers are KYB GR2s(NON-adjustable) and Koni inserts in gutted OEM wagon struts.

THANK YOU RaceComp Engineering for the following post and the infoand support you have given us
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1303381


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People who's car is a Daily Driver and may like to improove handling a bit maybe some hpde.
Autocross or hardcore drivers will mostlikelly use coilovers, but their knowledge is appreciated, specially if they have driven, installed, or owned aftermarket struts and spring setups.

KEY WORDS for searching Adjustable Struts comparo, Adjustable Struts Comparison , judgment, assessment, evaluation, adj. strut , adjustable dampers , damper :: JUSTADJUST : justad just , justajust , adjustable, adjusting, strut, struts, shocks, shok, shock, absorber, dampner, absorbers, dampners, abacuz, wrx, wagon, sedan, spacer, 921,

WITH OUT FLAMING THE NOOB :tsk: :tsk: :tsk:
what do you guys recommend ? what is your experience with these struts ? is there any installation that is easier than others ? how is the adjustability on these?

-- Updating , ok so many people are flaming, so im adjusting (har har har) the thread topic to JUST ADJUSTABLE STRUTS , so the topic does not become diluted and the info seaked for is found. my original post can be found a few posts before that explains why i want to make this thread.


THANK YOU ALL for the info.
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Last edited by AbACUZ; 03-03-2013 at 02:11 PM. Reason: adding more info-and more info , and more info , and more info, keepit coming peeps
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:11 PM   #2
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INTERESTING & RELATED links


:: PROBLEMS ::
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WASHER MOD
You have an 04+ Impreza. You want to use some new struts or strut inserts, but the problem is all the ones on the market are for the 02 or 03 Impreza. here are some solutions.
http://www.turninconcepts.com/produc...roducts_id=234

CAMBER PLATES
Camber plates may not fit the strut tops ... some info here ..
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1410891




:: REVIEWS & tests::
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Review: KYB AGX Review..... ummm yeah.. These puppies are great
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=668332

Review: KYB AGX and Eibach Springs
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=581468

Review: KYB/AGX Struts on WRX
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85161

Review: Tanabe GF/KYB adj.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788335

Review:Tokcio Spec-D with Prodrive Springs and Group N tophats
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1228360

Review:Tokico D-Spec
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1440927

research and testing:
Tokico D-specs with what camber plate?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1626863

Review:Espelir GT + Tokico D-spec + RCE Camber Plates
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=959442

Review: Ohlins fixed perch struts for '02-'06 WRX and '04 STi
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=874251

Test: Ohlins sportline dyno plots
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1367559

Review: Ohlins with WRX Prodrive springs
http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?id=16094

:: INSTALATION ::
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KYB AGX Adjustable Struts Install
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346

Ground Control springs on Tokico D-spec or HP ?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1216901

Koni Insert Install Step-by-Step
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1219607

Koni inserts in STI inverted struts-specs and pics inside
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1276865

Tokico D-Spec Adjustables - how to reach the edjusting knobs
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1403800

:: OTHER ::
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Thread about struts and Tanabe springs
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1286093

ButtDyno's Spring/Coilover Guide
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...25&postcount=6

Will X shocks fit with Y springs on my Z model? < Very nice thread for people wanting to know about strings for their struts
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1170952

Guess the question has been asked before, but this thread derails quick and many comments are targeted for autox.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825189

This thread gets funny and technical at the same time, they like koni's here.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1282606


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Tokico’s D-Spec
http://www.hitachi-hap-la.com/Tokico...ec/index.html#

D-Spec Wide Extra Range Adjustable Shocks

TOKICO’s D-Spec Series adjustable shock is a multi-use product that’s the result of sophisticated piston and valving design. In addition, it utilizes a unique variable-aperture bypass, which is controlled by an adjustable slide valve.

D-Spec (damping specific) adjustments change both rebound and compression damping simultaneously. Between maximum soft and hard settings, the D-Spec is infinitely adjustable. For more information and to view the damping graph full size,



D-Spec shocks and struts are sold in sets of four. Each set includes a manual explaining the adjustment process as well as covering suspension tuning tips.

D-Spec suspension kits include four D-Spec shocks/struts and four sport lowering springs. The kits are in the process of being developed and will use the prefix DSK in the part number.

Called and spoke with Tokico the spring rates go up to 350 lb on the D-specs

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KONI Sport dampers

Externally Adjustable
Twin Tube McPherson Strut Cartridge
Hydraulic

Strut insert Bolted into OE Housing After Cutting Top/Rmving internal Parts

[KONI Sport dampers are externally adjustable by means of a knob, so they need not be disassembled from the car. The fine-tuning of the damping forces to personal driving style and to different driving conditions is therefore not more than a matter of seconds. The KONI Sport is valved a bit more aggressively than our Special D for performance driving.

Big handling improvements
Reasonable ride quality
External rebound adjustment
Best KONI shock for all lowering springs
Re-buildable and re-valveable for custom vehicle setups
Yellow exterior finish
Lifetime Warranty
Personalize your car’s ride/handling with these precision damper units.

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Old 10-03-2007, 12:17 AM   #3
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koni ground control setups seem to be hot.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:39 AM   #4
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stock shocks + Tein Stech springs

okay for track?

anyways i would say koni and im sure everyone else will too. however ive never driven on them.. however i have had kybs and i was happy with those for a couple years till i just got coils
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:38 AM   #5
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konis with the spt pink springs ride great for the road.never drove the other
struts or springs but my setup seems ok.the only times that are back braking r really tall speed bumps.guaranteed better than s-techs with stock struts.the install is time consuming but worth it.
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:28 AM   #6
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=825189

Check out that thread there. I'm also in the market for struts and will be picking up some Konis.
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...3 points

....any WRX suspension that has stech springs is garbage.

.....AGX struts are old news.

.....cheap 'coil overs' are cheap for (a) reason(s)
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:29 PM   #8
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Quote:
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This thread is for Adjustable Struts & non adj.

People who's car is a Daily Driver and may like to improove handling a bit maybe some hpde.
Autocross or hardcore drivers will mostlikelly use coilovers, but their knowledge is appreciated, specially if they have driven, installed, or owned aftermarket struts and spring setups.

KYB AGX Struts Wagon (8 way adjust) $450

Tokico D-Spec Adjustable Struts (16 way adjust) $550

Koni Suspension Sport Adjustable Struts (16 way adjust) $600




Ok here is the issue, my suspension is ok for the track
(stock shocks + Tein Stech springs (free springs and install by Tein R&D (otherwise i would have chosed differently)))

But horrible for the streets, it did not bother me, but after sitting on the car with my baby on the back and seeing her bounce and jiggle on her car sit did not make me happy at all

Therefore I'm in the hunt for new setup, the above shocks will be mated with a medium Springs (espeliers - prodrive - Eibach)

Coilovers can be had for 900+ bucks ( Ksports - Tein - Megan - helix)

I have read many threads that talk about these subjects : searched using these words :: Adjustable Struts comparo, Adjustable Struts Comparison , judgment, assessment, evaluation, adj. strut , adjustable dampers , damper :: but i have not read anything that compares adjustable struts, the 1k coilover is the best thread like this outhere,

WITH OUT FLAMING THE NOOB :tsk: :tsk: :tsk:
what do you guys recommend ? what is your experience with these struts ? is there any installation that is easier than others ? how is the adjustability on these?
Your post is a train wreck, and I have no idea what you're trying to find out.

That said, here are some comments:
1 - Go into the "Wagon owners post your suspensions" thread. Read the whole thing. Its 11ty pages long, but I don't care - read it all.
2 - You can use sedan specific struts on a wagon, but will suffer the camber penalty. There are only 2 100% wagon specific struts - KYB GR2 and Koni inserts. GR2s are 02/03 only, so in order to use them with 04+ springs and tophats you need the spacers from Turn in Concepts. Konis can be purchased in either variety (02/03 & 04+), and are "infinitely" adjustable - there are no hard stops, just count the number of turns and partial turns). Some people report less of a camber penalty with D-Specs, but they're sedan specific. There is no wagon-version AGX - people either use the sedan AGX or the GC version, which has the same camber penalty and the added negatives of needing to ziptie the brake/abs line and having a different spring perch location. Also, AGXs are 4-way adjustable.
3 - I don't consider Prodrive and Eibach springs to be "medium" - their rates are rather soft. I don't think you get "medium" until you start hitting the SPT Pink/USDM STi spring rates (~225F/~195R)

If you're looking for the smoothest ride, you probably want something like Koni inserts (adjusted 1/4 turn from full soft) with stock springs. Its been too long since I had my stock suspension, but I think my Koni insert/STi spring combo is a great daily driver/weekend fun suspension, and at the softest settings is smoother than what I remember the stock suspension to be.
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- andysf -

I mentioned that link on the second post, its a good one so thank you.

Koni's look to be the best struts because they are so adjustable , but also look to be the most complicated to install.

- Uncle Scotty -

did not know agx where old news, thankx

IMHO the stechs on my car are ok for hpde, mated with hotchkis full comp sways, endlinks and GT speck ALK., agreed that their dramatic drop is not good for the impreza geometry, but they are not as horrible as people say.

- TurbojonLS -

Thank you for quoting the entire long post

1- the wagon owners suspencion thread does not address the topic of this thread, that thread was made so people can post their setup no matter what it is, making it a long read and not as helpfull as it could be because the very wide variety of setups.

2-also thank you for the lovely run on trainwreck point number 2 that explains a several good things about struts.

3-Prodrive and eibach (same manuf) are indeed soft springs, there should be a chart of springs for people choosing struts to help them pick.

yes your koni recomendation is very well suported on this forum , they look to be great struts.
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The reason I suggested the wagon owners thread is there are lots of people with lots of comments on lots of different suspension setups - to include lots of reviews of different kinds of struts on wagons. Its more than just posts of what people have on their cars, and is well worth the time to read.
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for people just tuning in , this is the thread he is refering to

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478371

all 1440 posts .. eek. im sure there is tons of good info there , kinda like a swapmeet, lots of junk and a couple of good things, put your gloves and mask on, enjoy the hunt


I read on one of the thread , there is another website with info on spring rates, i will try to find it and post it here .
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any more options out there for struts ? what other brands have you guys used ?
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any more options out there for struts ? what other brands have you guys used ?
I have used or ridden in cars that had all the brands we already talked about. There is no perfect suspension for both HPDE and the street. Take the time to read instead of asking for information to be spoon fed to you. Get out to local meets and ride in cars that have examples of the different setups.

I love my KYB GR-2s and STi takeoff springs on the street, but the struts are too soft for auto-x or the track.
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So asking for brands or types of struts that are not covered by all the threads listed above is asking for information spoon feeding ???
Where is the question of the perfect suspension ??
Get to local meets? seriously, you forgot to add search noob, and rtfm. anyways ....

your last line is the most helful as you mention another shock not listed above, Yet its not an adjustable Strut . thank you .

http://www.kyb.com/products/detail.php?ID=1

(Not Adjustable) GR-2 Premium Shocks and Struts are specially designed to provide a smooth, secure ride with excellent control for drivers who are looking for ride comfort and improved handling. With its patented check valve, the GR-2 Premium Shocks and Struts always maintain excellent performance under even the roughest conditions. It also provides comfort and control that is often better than original equipment. GR-2 Premium Shocks and Struts are available for virtually all vehicles on the road today.
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So asking for brands or types of struts that are not covered by all the threads listed above is asking for information spoon feeding ???
Where is the question of the perfect suspension ??
Get to local meets? seriously, you forgot to add search noob, and rtfm. anyways ....

your last line is the most helful as you mention another shock not listed above, Yet its not an adjustable Strut . thank you .

http://www.kyb.com/products/detail.php?ID=1

(Not Adjustable) GR-2 Premium Shocks and Struts are specially designed to provide a smooth, secure ride with excellent control for drivers who are looking for ride comfort and improved handling. With its patented check valve, the GR-2 Premium Shocks and Struts always maintain excellent performance under even the roughest conditions. It also provides comfort and control that is often better than original equipment. GR-2 Premium Shocks and Struts are available for virtually all vehicles on the road today.
Turbojon also mentioned them quite a bit above, but I guess you just ignored his post since it wasn't exactly what you wanted to hear.
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So asking for brands or types of struts that are not covered by all the threads listed above is asking for information spoon feeding ???
Where is the question of the perfect suspension ??
Get to local meets? seriously, you forgot to add search noob, and rtfm. anyways ....
dewd...no need to get all hussy

your question has been asked several times before and answered in depth in several other threads that people have already linked in this thread

that being said...your original post pretty much answered your own question

KYB AGX, Koni inserts or Tokico are your best bets, all pretty much in the same price range and all adjustable for soft daily driving settings
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tokico d-specs and prodrive springs

thats it. comfy, adjustable for track, and relatively cheap. I'd do group n tops too..
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I did not mean to be hussy puffy :P I just wanted more info regarding adjustable shocks, there are many threads, but nothing on just adjustable shocks,

Thank you all for the info and participation on this thread. Keep on adding more info as many people would benefit from useing this method of suspencion insted of coilovers.
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There's a good spring rate chart at northursalia.com, under Tech Docs. It's a little dated, but gets you a lot of information on springs. It does not include drop info, which would probably be helpful. I like my AGX, but I'm cheap...
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Very nice, thankx for that link , those pring rates will be usefull for people doing the struts, :thumbs up:
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I did not mean to be hussy puffy :P I just wanted more info regarding adjustable shocks, there are many threads, but nothing on just adjustable shocks,
Thank you all for the info and participation on this thread. Keep on adding more info as many people would benefit from useing this method of suspencion insted of coilovers.
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:20 PM   #22
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not really , there are many many threads , but i have net seen one that discusses adjustable shocks and their differences, there are threads that talk about them ofcourse , but is there a thread that mentions all the differnt adjustable struts brands, prices, adjustability, I have not found it, please show me if im wrong, or please show me some other adjustable struts not mentioned above.

thank you for not saying just search noob without actually reading my comments and seeing that i did research.
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Are there only 4 brands of adjustable shocks for our cars ???
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4? heck, i only count 3.
KYB (AGX), Tokico (D-spec), and Koni (Yellows, i believe). The major 3 aftermarket adjustable strut companies. Those are the only 3 for most cars out there.

A 4th option, of course, could be coilovers. At 4-600 for struts, and 200+ for springs. You maybe come close to the price of a cheap set of coil overs already at 900-1000.

I tend to ignore them tho, on any winter-driven car, as coilovers really aren't great for all-weather driving and continual smooth operation... Good for summer/weekend drivers and race cars, tho.

As far as strut personal recommendations, i like the D-specs over the AGX as they are most adjustable (infinitely adj versus 4way-F/8way-R for the AGX), and i've always had tokico's last longer than AGX's. Never used the Koni's, but i don't particularly like having to cut up your struts to install them (they do this with many models), versus a true bolt in application like the AGX/D-spec. Seems lazy compared to just making a pure replacement strut. I bet they lose some significant business over that issue.

For experince clarification, i have run AGX on several GC-cars, and D-specs on both my GD cars (WRX and STi). I would run them too, on my GC STi except i'm not sure i want to deal with the camber issue associated with GD struts on a GC chassis. I've also ran KYB and Tokico adjustables and non-adj's on many other cars and preferred the Tokico's always.

I also tend to use most of my cars for the same reason as the OP wanted. Mostly street driven, with occassional track and auto-x. I want something stiffer than stock, handles well, but not too stiff for the street (such as all out track-ready). And prefeably weather proof (fixed spring and shock protected by a dust boot. coilovers tend not to have shaft protection (Did I just say that? ), and the coil threads are also exposed to grime and grit).

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funny thing how there are hundreds of aftermarket coilovers , but few struts companies.

makes me think who makes the struts for those comanies, and how good could they be if they can make coilovers but not just adjustable struts.
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