What can the AP/EcuTeK give me that cheaper options can't?

KingOfSiam · 10-04-2007, 09:10 PM

If what I want is:
safety
A professional custom tune (ie I will not be messing with it)
Am not going to move past stage 2
Won't be switching maps
Don't care about data logging.

Basically it seems as though Engenuity or some other flash may get the job done, but the fact that they are just so cheap is concerning me. I can't help but think the same thing as when I see ebay stuff: "what's wrong with it?"

Opinions? Facts? Ideas?

Thanks

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brettm · 10-04-2007, 09:52 PM

well cobb and ecutek both have engineering costs to recover in addition to the fact that they are in the business to make a profit. Enginuity/Open source developers are donating their time and are not trying to make a profit. Essentially all three are ecu reflashes. The AP has the ability to switch maps easier than open source and the v2 has a couple of toys with it but the basics of how it tunes your car is very similar.

shootinsoobie · 10-05-2007, 11:58 AM

from what i hear, it is more time consuming to tune with opensource, enginuity, ect. ecutek and cobb have made it easier for the tuner.

basically it ends up the same to your car. if youre not going to change maps, any of these will work. the open source and enginuity still have bugs, so that is something to consider. by "bugs", i dont know what that means, i just read i on their site.

hope this helps the slightest

Tea cups · 10-05-2007, 01:03 PM

There are pros and cons to each, however, more important is who is doing the tuning (much, much more important) and what THEY are comfortable using. Think of the tuner as a cook. Let's say you have the normal Joe Blow who's greatest achievement is hot dogs and hamburgers on the outdoor grill. You give an assortment of the most expensive, top-of-the-line cooking utensils to Joe Blow. Then you have a master chef of a five-star restaurant and give him all Walmart utensils. Both are given the same ingredients and asked to cook the same meal. Which meal would likely come out better?

brettm · 10-05-2007, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tea cups

You give an assortment of the most expensive, top-of-the-line cooking utensils to Joe Blow. Then you have a master chef of a five-star restaurant and give him all Walmart utensils.

I hope you aren't implying that enginuity would be the equivalent of Walmart utensils... I happen to believe that the enginuity software is quite good, unlike junk purchased at walmart.

Good analogy though.

Tea cups · 10-05-2007, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brettm

I hope you aren't implying that enginuity would be the equivalent of Walmart utensils... I happen to believe that the enginuity software is quite good, unlike junk purchased at walmart.

Good analogy though.

Considering I'm on the Enginuity team, that was not my intention.

More from the cost perspective (Enginuity and tactrix cable) and the current lack of some features like real-time tuning.

KingOfSiam · 10-05-2007, 03:23 PM

Yup, that's why I'm trying to contact the tuners around Atlanta to see what they think.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to save $500 on EM, but if it's a problem for the tuner it's not worth it.

lobelsteve · 10-06-2007, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfSiam

Yup, that's why I'm trying to contact the tuners around Atlanta to see what they think.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to save $500 on EM, but if it's a problem for the tuner it's not worth it.

Also check out wrxatlanta.com

2 recommended tuners for you in ATL: Doug at TopSpeed
Scott at Batlground

Both are highly regarded on the forums
Disclaimer: I've met both, no $$$ interest in either.

WeldingHank · 10-06-2007, 11:18 PM

A poor craftsman blames his tools.

ride5000 · 10-11-2007, 08:13 PM

well it can give you a lot less money in your checking account, for one.

skatefather · 10-19-2007, 10:15 PM

You can do some really good uning that is right on par with the cobb maps if you go with open source. All cobb does is give you a set and forget map. Not wanting to datalog is just sily in my eyes. what if your car has knock? what if you are pulling timing? what if your egt is above 1500? There are so many variables with the open source that cobb can give you. I would go open source just for there data logging abilities. As a matter of fact I have. and it was great to see that on the cobb stage 2 map my car pulled 10 (thats right 10!) degrees of knock correction.

Food for thought.

nhat · 10-20-2007, 11:05 AM

cobb maps aren't all that great

not wanting to datalog isn't a good idea

all you need for opensource is a laptop (be it yours or a friends) and $100 for the cable and jumpers if required

10-04-2007, 09:10 PM	#1
KingOfSiam Scooby Specialist Member#: 84636 Join Date: Apr 2005 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Atlanta Vehicle: 2005 WRX (automatic) Crystal Gray	What can the AP/EcuTeK give me that cheaper options can't? If what I want is: safety A professional custom tune (ie I will not be messing with it) Am not going to move past stage 2 Won't be switching maps Don't care about data logging. Basically it seems as though Engenuity or some other flash may get the job done, but the fact that they are just so cheap is concerning me. I can't help but think the same thing as when I see ebay stuff: "what's wrong with it?" Opinions? Facts? Ideas? Thanks * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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10-04-2007, 09:52 PM	#2
brettm Scooby Specialist Member#: 35107 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Cary, IL Vehicle: 2003 WRX WRB 2006 LGT Silver	well cobb and ecutek both have engineering costs to recover in addition to the fact that they are in the business to make a profit. Enginuity/Open source developers are donating their time and are not trying to make a profit. Essentially all three are ecu reflashes. The AP has the ability to switch maps easier than open source and the v2 has a couple of toys with it but the basics of how it tunes your car is very similar.

10-05-2007, 11:58 AM	#3
shootinsoobie Scooby Specialist Member#: 71170 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: teh mullet maphia Vehicle: 04 JBP All Murdered Out	from what i hear, it is more time consuming to tune with opensource, enginuity, ect. ecutek and cobb have made it easier for the tuner. basically it ends up the same to your car. if youre not going to change maps, any of these will work. the open source and enginuity still have bugs, so that is something to consider. by "bugs", i dont know what that means, i just read i on their site. hope this helps the slightest

10-05-2007, 01:03 PM	#4
Tea cups Scooby Specialist Member#: 103136 Join Date: Dec 2005	There are pros and cons to each, however, more important is who is doing the tuning (much, much more important) and what THEY are comfortable using. Think of the tuner as a cook. Let's say you have the normal Joe Blow who's greatest achievement is hot dogs and hamburgers on the outdoor grill. You give an assortment of the most expensive, top-of-the-line cooking utensils to Joe Blow. Then you have a master chef of a five-star restaurant and give him all Walmart utensils. Both are given the same ingredients and asked to cook the same meal. Which meal would likely come out better?

10-05-2007, 03:23 PM	#7
KingOfSiam Scooby Specialist Member#: 84636 Join Date: Apr 2005 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Atlanta Vehicle: 2005 WRX (automatic) Crystal Gray	Yup, that's why I'm trying to contact the tuners around Atlanta to see what they think. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to save $500 on EM, but if it's a problem for the tuner it's not worth it.

10-06-2007, 11:18 PM	#9
WeldingHank Scooby Specialist Member#: 98645 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Lawrence,ma Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon PSM	A poor craftsman blames his tools.

10-11-2007, 08:13 PM	#10
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10-19-2007, 10:15 PM	#11
skatefather Scooby Newbie Member#: 143287 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Upstate, Ny Vehicle: 02 Wrx wagon WRB, stage 2 and a bit	You can do some really good uning that is right on par with the cobb maps if you go with open source. All cobb does is give you a set and forget map. Not wanting to datalog is just sily in my eyes. what if your car has knock? what if you are pulling timing? what if your egt is above 1500? There are so many variables with the open source that cobb can give you. I would go open source just for there data logging abilities. As a matter of fact I have. and it was great to see that on the cobb stage 2 map my car pulled 10 (thats right 10!) degrees of knock correction. Food for thought.

10-20-2007, 11:05 AM	#12
nhat #Belieber Moderator Member#: 140163 Join Date: Feb 2007 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: 3MI Racing Vehicle: 03 STi hellaflunctional	cobb maps aren't all that great not wanting to datalog isn't a good idea all you need for opensource is a laptop (be it yours or a friends) and $100 for the cable and jumpers if required