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Old 10-04-2007, 09:10 PM   #1
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Default What can the AP/EcuTeK give me that cheaper options can't?

If what I want is:
safety
A professional custom tune (ie I will not be messing with it)
Am not going to move past stage 2
Won't be switching maps
Don't care about data logging.

Basically it seems as though Engenuity or some other flash may get the job done, but the fact that they are just so cheap is concerning me. I can't help but think the same thing as when I see ebay stuff: "what's wrong with it?"

Opinions? Facts? Ideas?

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Old 10-04-2007, 09:52 PM   #2
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well cobb and ecutek both have engineering costs to recover in addition to the fact that they are in the business to make a profit. Enginuity/Open source developers are donating their time and are not trying to make a profit. Essentially all three are ecu reflashes. The AP has the ability to switch maps easier than open source and the v2 has a couple of toys with it but the basics of how it tunes your car is very similar.
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:58 AM   #3
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from what i hear, it is more time consuming to tune with opensource, enginuity, ect. ecutek and cobb have made it easier for the tuner.

basically it ends up the same to your car. if youre not going to change maps, any of these will work. the open source and enginuity still have bugs, so that is something to consider. by "bugs", i dont know what that means, i just read i on their site.

hope this helps the slightest
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:03 PM   #4
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There are pros and cons to each, however, more important is who is doing the tuning (much, much more important) and what THEY are comfortable using. Think of the tuner as a cook. Let's say you have the normal Joe Blow who's greatest achievement is hot dogs and hamburgers on the outdoor grill. You give an assortment of the most expensive, top-of-the-line cooking utensils to Joe Blow. Then you have a master chef of a five-star restaurant and give him all Walmart utensils. Both are given the same ingredients and asked to cook the same meal. Which meal would likely come out better?
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:11 PM   #5
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You give an assortment of the most expensive, top-of-the-line cooking utensils to Joe Blow. Then you have a master chef of a five-star restaurant and give him all Walmart utensils.
I hope you aren't implying that enginuity would be the equivalent of Walmart utensils... I happen to believe that the enginuity software is quite good, unlike junk purchased at walmart. Good analogy though.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:27 PM   #6
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I hope you aren't implying that enginuity would be the equivalent of Walmart utensils... I happen to believe that the enginuity software is quite good, unlike junk purchased at walmart. Good analogy though.
Considering I'm on the Enginuity team, that was not my intention. More from the cost perspective (Enginuity and tactrix cable) and the current lack of some features like real-time tuning.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:23 PM   #7
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Yup, that's why I'm trying to contact the tuners around Atlanta to see what they think.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to save $500 on EM, but if it's a problem for the tuner it's not worth it.
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Old 10-06-2007, 06:05 AM   #8
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Yup, that's why I'm trying to contact the tuners around Atlanta to see what they think.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to save $500 on EM, but if it's a problem for the tuner it's not worth it.
Also check out wrxatlanta.com

2 recommended tuners for you in ATL: Doug at TopSpeed
Scott at Batlground

Both are highly regarded on the forums
Disclaimer: I've met both, no $$$ interest in either.
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Old 10-06-2007, 11:18 PM   #9
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A poor craftsman blames his tools.
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:13 PM   #10
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well it can give you a lot less money in your checking account, for one.
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:15 PM   #11
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You can do some really good uning that is right on par with the cobb maps if you go with open source. All cobb does is give you a set and forget map. Not wanting to datalog is just sily in my eyes. what if your car has knock? what if you are pulling timing? what if your egt is above 1500? There are so many variables with the open source that cobb can give you. I would go open source just for there data logging abilities. As a matter of fact I have. and it was great to see that on the cobb stage 2 map my car pulled 10 (thats right 10!) degrees of knock correction.

Food for thought.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:05 AM   #12
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cobb maps aren't all that great

not wanting to datalog isn't a good idea

all you need for opensource is a laptop (be it yours or a friends) and $100 for the cable and jumpers if required
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