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Old 10-08-2007, 01:52 PM   #1
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third baby coming. third row needed. My ouback is an '01 and the wife's forester xt is an '06. Makes sense to toss out the older car for a new vehicle.

I'd like a new outback xt, but no third row. Tribeca doesn't even have a chance of being manual trans or turbo, but it MAY be an option for me. Otherwise, we might be looking at a chrysler minivan or a jeep commander. Any other thoughts? Anyone have a new legacy and three baby seats successfully mounted across the back seat? If so, I could use that as an arguement that a third row isn't needed...

I tried to suggest a used hummer h1 wagon (that would be sweet) and a redone 1963-66 lincoln continental (that would be even sweeter), but she blew up at me for even the thought (my thoughts were that they both had more than enough room for a dozen babies if need be)... I also like the range rover, but no third row there either. Anyway, help keep me in the legacy family if possible. Thoughts? Suggestions?!?
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Old 10-08-2007, 02:23 PM   #2
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You know on paper I really like the Acura MDX - though it's a good $10k more than a Tribeca, but probably worth it since it has a pretty nice SH-AWD system (rear LSD etc.) I mention it cause it sounds important (You've got a Jeep, Hummer, and Range Rover on your list.) Should be decently sporty on pavement too and plenty of luxury toys.

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Oh I just thought of another car, cause you mentioned stick-shift: The Mazda 5. Crossover built on the Mazda 3 chassis, 3 rows of seats, available with a dash-mounted manual transmission for less than $20k. FWD though, but could be good, fun value for moving people around!

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Old 10-08-2007, 03:01 PM   #3
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Thanks for the suggestions. I had mazda on the list to look at, though pretty far down. That fwd kicks it a bit farther down the list... That's one thing about the T&C that I don't like.

The acura could be considered, and it has three rows and a good awd system?!? hmmm...
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:37 PM   #4
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I know it's not AWD, but Honda Odyssey's are amazing family haulers, and you would find it more fun than the cars on your list (except maybe the Tribeca). It's also powerful, and fairly efficient (cylinder shutoff), and IMO, it did great in winter with snow tires, although that's fairly irrelevant to you in TX.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:20 PM   #5
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RAV 4 V6....268hp, 3rd row and 27mpg on regular gas, go test drive it...tell me how its not absolutely perfect for you
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:22 PM   #6
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PS how do 3 kids not have room for a legacy backseat?
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:06 PM   #7
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PS how do 3 kids not have room for a legacy backseat?
Right now, I could NOT get a third seat in mine. They make thinner seats, but they'd still be squeezed in the rear pretty tight. I'd like for my babies to have a little room to grow... Plus, the wife thinks the middle baby seat would be hard to use, and a 3rd row loaded from the hatch with one seat down would be easier. She may be right on that one. Really, she wants a minivan with the giant sliding door, but I'll be driving it more than her (and I think the honda is uglier than the town and country if i HAD to get a real minivan)...

Thanks, any other thoughts? Is the '08 legacy wider inside than the '01 legacy just incase I could convince her on ditching the 3rd row?!? By the way, we may be leaning towards a new jeep commander at the moment. Thoughts on that vs another subie?!?
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:28 PM   #8
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i have driven the mazda 5, granted is was automatic, but it wasnt too bad. my boss just bought a nissan quest. its really nice. power everything including sliding doors and rear hatch.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:35 PM   #9
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Really, she wants a minivan with the giant sliding door, but I'll be driving it more than her (and I think the honda is uglier than the town and country if i HAD to get a real minivan)...

Thanks, any other thoughts? Is the '08 legacy wider inside than the '01 legacy just incase I could convince her on ditching the 3rd row?!? By the way, we may be leaning towards a new jeep commander at the moment. Thoughts on that vs another subie?!?
The Mazda 5 has two huge sliding doors...
What about the Toyota Sienna - available in AWD.

I think the Jeep Commander is a great choice, especially with Quadra-Drive II. limited-slip-locking center, rear, AND front differentials. You can go just about anywhere! I don't have such huge people-moving needs and I find it a bit too big and tall, so I drool over the Grand Cherokee with the same system instead. To be honest, I'd buy that over any Subaru
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Old 10-09-2007, 12:38 AM   #10
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All i have to say is avoid chrysler products. My room mate just finished up an internship there over the summer. She was an assembly line manager. She said the product quality is crap. Talking with other chrysler owners (co-workers and such) they want to sell their chryslers but can pawn them off on anyone, and the parts are really pricey because of daimler's influence. As to jeeps? I wouldn't trust one.

I'll definately toss another vote in for mazda. Several friends have owned newer mazdas. Their build quality is nice, and their ride/conveniences are unmatched dollar for dollar. You can even get that turbo charged direct injected SUV they have. No AWD but why does it matter? You're in texas. If an armadillo runs out in front of you just run it over. Or if you really need the AWD for that one day of snow, take the forester out that day.
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Old 10-09-2007, 12:42 AM   #11
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Weld in another seat in the rear cargo area, problem solved.

Another vote for an Hummer. That would rock. Who else would be able to claim the ability to go mudding safely with 12 babies on board?
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:24 AM   #12
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Who gives a flying **** what the minivan looks like? The Odyssey is ten times the vehicle that the T&C is. And chrysler reliability...eesh.
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:56 AM   #13
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Who gives a flying **** what the minivan looks like? The Odyssey is ten times the vehicle that the T&C is. And chrysler reliability...eesh.
I guess I must be the only one who cares if the vehicle I'm driving looks good.

Yeah, we are leaning towards the jeep. I was worried about the chrysler quality as well. That's one good thing about subaru for sure... great quality control!!! I think the hummer h1 has been taken off the table, as she practically threw me out of the house fred flinstone style when I suggested it. No matter what I get, I will miss the outback (and I just put on those sweet 2004 sti gold 17's and the cobb lightened flywheel within the last year... grrrrrr)

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Old 10-09-2007, 10:17 AM   #14
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Damnit Go Drive A Rav4 V6!!!!!!
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:18 AM   #15
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Quality and Drivability > Looks

I'm not saying looks mean nothing, but the Chrysler Minivans are big piles of junk compared to their Japanese Counterparts. I happen to like driving our Odyssey, believe it or not. It handles well enough (more like a car, actually, than anything) and has all sorts of power, and the newer ones even more so.

And I'm not saying that you have weird taste, but:

Odyssey:


T&C


I reall think that the new T&C is ugly as ****. Looks just like the unimpressive GM minivans now.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:26 AM   #16
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I guess I must be the only one who cares if the vehicle I'm driving looks good.
I think the Odyssey looks good - handles pretty well too - minivans have come a long way since the Ford Aerostar.

Saw an 08 Dodge Caravan on the road this morning - looks like a stretched and lowered Dodge Durango, they're using the GM trick

Someone else who was making the Dodge vs. Honda minivan choice put it this way to me: Sure the Honda might be more reliable, but I can drop and replace the entire tranny twice with the thousands of dollars I save buying the Dodge. This is especially true with used cars, since Honda resale value is way high compared to Dodge.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:32 AM   #17
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Yeah, but when you want to resell it?

Trust me, you have to drive both of them. I drove a Dodge Grand Caravan with the 3.8L V6 down to Baton Rouge and back...my god, I wanted to get back into our 2000 Odyssey with 130,000 miles on it so badly. The steering wheel, feel of the shifter stalk, seats, power delivery, suspension, etc were so inferior on the Dodge. It only had 37,000 miles on it and felt like it was at least 3 times that many.
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:57 PM   #18
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Do not get the 07 MDX of you are looking for space. I sold my STi to get us into the 07 MDX after we found out we were having a baby. The baby is here now, and on occasion, we drive our 1 yr old nephew around. 2 baby seats in the middle row is hillarious and the 3rd row is only good for 2 midgets. For long trips all the baby stuff goes in a cargo box on the roof. Your going to need space. My vote is for the Honda Oddessy. If you want all wheel drive capability in a minivan also look at the Toyota Sienna. I will say though that the MDX is the best handling SUV I have ever driven. Even handles better than most cars I've driven. Here's a pic of the wife's MDX.

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Old 10-10-2007, 01:01 AM   #19
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OK, OK... that honda doesn't look as bad as I remember them. I will look at it closer. And to the Rav4 comment... no. I'm just not a rav4 guy. I think they seem nice and have a lot of features, but they just aren't me.

And yeah, the mdx is now off the table. It's now on the cutting room floor, right next to the hummer H1...
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The Rav4 is nice, but I really can't see the third row seat being all that usable. It's still Forester size...
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:44 PM   #21
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third baby coming. third row needed. My outback is an '01 and the wife's forester xt is an '06. Makes sense to toss out the older car for a new vehicle.

I'd like a new outback xt, but no third row. Tribeca doesn't even have a chance of being manual trans or turbo, but it MAY be an option for me.

Anyway, help keep me in the legacy family if possible. Thoughts? Suggestions?!?
Toss the Forester.

It still has significant resale value, and it has very limited rear seat space. Your Outback has significantly more rear seating space then the Forester does.

Keep the Outback for yourself and drive it into the ground.

Check out the Ford Freestyle. Its not an evolution of the Windstar (like the Freestar), but instead based largely on Volvo engineering (the body structure), and Ford is desperate to sell cars and get out of the Red. I *think* it has CVT and AWD as options. EDIT: Ford for has dropped the "Freestyle" name, and resurrected the more familiar "Taurus" name, in an effort to boost sales. Look at the 2008 Ford "Taurus X" Cross-over seven passenger SUV, or try to make your best deal on any leftover 2007 Ford Freestyles.

http://www.ford.com/vehicles/vehicle...-taurus-x-2008

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Old 10-10-2007, 05:16 PM   #22
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Check out the Ford Freestyle. Its not an evolution of the Windstar (like the Freestar), but instead based largely on Volvo engineering (the body structure), and Ford is desperate to sell cars and get out of the Red. I *think* it has CVT and AWD as options. EDIT: Ford for has dropped the "Freestyle" name, and resurrected the more familiar "Taurus" name, in an effort to boost sales. Look at the 2008 Ford "Taurus X" Cross-over seven passenger SUV, or try to make your best deal on any leftover 2007 Ford Freestyles.
Oh no the Freestyle. 200 hp of 3.0L V6 hauling around 4200 pounds can't be all that fun by modern standards. It does fit two car seats well though, know someone who does it for her two little ones. She misses her Mustang GT though. The Taurus X has the more modern engine, so that's better.

However, she traded in the Freestyle for a Saturn Outlook. Same car as the GMC Acadia. I like it - and it is really the only EIGHT-passenger crossover in production. If you wait around there will probably even be an Acadia DENALI next year, with a V8, hehe.
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Oh no the Freestyle. 200 hp of 3.0L V6 hauling around 4200 pounds can't be all that fun by modern standards. It does fit two car seats well though, know someone who does it for her two little ones. She misses her Mustang GT though. The Taurus X has the more modern engine, so that's better.

However, she traded in the Freestyle for a Saturn Outlook. Same car as the GMC Acadia. I like it - and it is really the only EIGHT-passenger crossover in production. If you wait around there will probably even be an Acadia DENALI next year, with a V8, hehe.

well, we fit two baby seats right now. Three is the key. And yeah, we looked at the outlook at the fair. It was nice. Cheap, too. It would be even better if saturn made a redline version, like the redline VUE they have. Sporty family cars are a mostly-untapped market that NEEDS to be tapped...
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:43 AM   #24
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Try Sunshine Kids Radian seat. Very compact (and very safe).

I don't know about fitting three but should be doable. I have two in my 05 Legacy wagon and haul 3 kids in it without problems - one past car seat stage though (8yrs old, 2.5yrs old and 10mo baby). We went coast-to-coast and back this summer and it worked great.
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haha anyone seen the recaro suede baby seats? DONT WANNA GET PUKE ON THOSE SUCKER!....oh ya...and dont forget you NEED leather, or else that puke will stain, soak into those seats
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