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Old 10-12-2007, 04:57 PM   #1
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Anyone done fog brake lights? I thought I remember reading that EDM garnish sections for the BD/BK's had rear fog lights. Anyone whose taken off their rear garnish is there any sockets or removable plugs back there that one could fabricate rear fog lights?
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Old 10-12-2007, 06:42 PM   #2
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How would the rear fogs work? Turn on when you shift into reverse?
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Old 10-12-2007, 06:48 PM   #3
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rear "fog lights" are found on a number of europeon cars. they are turned on during low visability conditions. it is a much briter tail light.
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Old 10-12-2007, 06:49 PM   #4
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Turn on when the front fogs turn on. They're not intended to help you see better driving backwards, they're intended to help you be seen better by people following you in low visibility. Most European cars have them - Jags, Audis, Mercs, etc. They often look like one brake light is stuck on.

I don't have any answers on how to do it, but it's something I've been thinking of doing on all my cars at some point. I find that they help visibility immensely when I'm following a car that has rear fogs in rain or fog.

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Old 10-12-2007, 07:15 PM   #5
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I'm still a little bitter I have to turn on the low beams to turn on the fog lights in my Legacy.

My Jeep would allow the fogs to be on with the parking lights, which was really helpful for reducing glare/throwback when it got REALLY nasty outside.
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Old 10-12-2007, 07:30 PM   #6
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I'm still a little bitter I have to turn on the low beams to turn on the fog lights in my Legacy.

My Jeep would allow the fogs to be on with the parking lights, which was really helpful for reducing glare/throwback when it got REALLY nasty outside.
you can fix that!
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you can fix that!
Indeed!

I think I'm going to tie them to the parking lights. I've seen some mods to make them fully independant, but I don't want to run them as DRLs so it doesn't make too much sense to go that route. Its also a lot more complicated.
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:52 PM   #8
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I had some ideas to make these. One could be using the center lights only as those fog lights, and use the outside lights as brake lights, though, fog brake lights tend to come as 1 light. So the other idea would be to add another bulb next to one of the brake lights there. I wonder if that garnish can be taken apart. I know someone opened up the corner brake lights to reveal that JDM lights have reflectors behind the brake bulbs where US brake lights do not, so who knows what potential lays in there.

I would tie it in to a switch on the dash. My foglights have a seperate circuit. Right now they are powered when my parking lights come on, but I have plans to change out the high beam bulbs to 35watt H3 bulbs, and then yellow the highbeam lense, and create a four beam fog system. As it stands the high beams are only marginally better than the projector lows, so I never really use high beam anyway.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:27 PM   #9
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what about just wiring up the driver's side reverse light and swapping in a red bulb (since a rear fog light must be read, and must be on the driver's side)? i've been thinking about that myself for a while. obviously not a great idea for people with dark tint, but that's how the R32 and R33 skylines had their rear fog/reverse lights set up.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:37 PM   #10
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Is there a way to wire the car so that the fogs stay on when the high beams are one? That'd be really nice.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:30 PM   #11
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easiest way is to seperate the switch and relay from the main harness, and run them straight off the battery (might want to just make your own harness for that, cause you'll have to disconnect the relay from the low beam as well).
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:11 AM   #12
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Is there a way to wire the car so that the fogs stay on when the high beams are one? That'd be really nice.
Oh sure, definitely.

But I don't really see the point, honestly. Fogs are there for when you don't want to be aiming lots of light up into stuff like....fog

If you have them on with the highs, they're just bling lights.
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Old 10-13-2007, 09:15 AM   #13
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I had some ideas to make these. One could be using the center lights only as those fog lights, and use the outside lights as brake lights, though, fog brake lights tend to come as 1 light. So the other idea would be to add another bulb next to one of the brake lights there. I wonder if that garnish can be taken apart. I know someone opened up the corner brake lights to reveal that JDM lights have reflectors behind the brake bulbs where US brake lights do not, so who knows what potential lays in there.
Again, I haven't done any serious looking into this, so maybe this is out to lunch. However, I've always figured that the brake lights have 2 "settings" - low (just the lights on) and high (brakes on). So just hook up a relay that provides power to the "brakes on" circuit whenever the foglights are turned on. Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but it seems like that would be pretty easy.

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what about just wiring up the driver's side reverse light and swapping in a red bulb (since a rear fog light must be read, and must be on the driver's side)?
Just out of curiousity, why does it have to be on the driver's side? I've seen some of the European cars that have them on just the driver's side, and some that have them on both side.
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Old 10-13-2007, 10:36 AM   #14
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Oh sure, definitely.

But I don't really see the point, honestly. Fogs are there for when you don't want to be aiming lots of light up into stuff like....fog

If you have them on with the highs, they're just bling lights.

Well my fog lights don't come on with the parking lights. And my high beams aren't really up to the job of providing light. So the more the merrier.
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Well my fog lights don't come on with the parking lights. And my high beams aren't really up to the job of providing light. So the more the merrier.
Parking lights are aptly named. I think it's highly unnecessary to drive around with them on and then have your foglights on

It's not like your headlights burn out faster if you use them more. Halogen lights don't wear that way.
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:56 PM   #16
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Parking lights are aptly named. I think it's highly unnecessary to drive around with them on and then have your foglights on

It's not like your headlights burn out faster if you use them more. Halogen lights don't wear that way.

I think you missed the point. I really don't care how much I use my headlights (and no, I don't use my parking lights, they seem somewhat pointless) and whether or not they burn out. I'm worried about being able to see at night because my high beams are very inadequate.
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well, I don't think your fogs are going to help, unless you wired up Hella 500 driving lights to your fog switch...

What kind of bulbs are you using? If they're silverstars, ditch 'em.
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Old 10-13-2007, 04:16 PM   #18
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Just out of curiousity, why does it have to be on the driver's side? I've seen some of the European cars that have them on just the driver's side, and some that have them on both side.
i don't know for certain, but i believe that this is because from a distance, all you would see is a red light, and so having it only on the driver's side keeps them somewhat standard so that you know where the car is on the road. kinda like how you can get pulled over for only having one headlight on because 1) it severly reduces your vision and 2) it makes it more difficult for other drivers to see where your car is in the lane.

then again, given that you have both RHD and LHD vehicles in Europe and many parts of Asia, i might be wrong about that.

as for the ones that have two rear fogs, they're mounted much lower than the brake lights, so you would see two really bright lights below, and two dimmer lights above. this is why i think that using the existing brake light cluster to make a rear fog light is not a good idea, though it seems to be a popular mod for the GD Impreza crowd.
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well, I don't think your fogs are going to help, unless you wired up Hella 500 driving lights to your fog switch...

What kind of bulbs are you using? If they're silverstars, ditch 'em.
well, maybe I'm going to wire up some Hella 500 driving lights



I am using stock bulbs. I still haven't upgraded them yet.
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just keep in mind that driving lights are best mounted higher on the body than fog lights. if you have them mounted low in a fog light position, they'll still work, but they'll focus mostly on the ground directly in front of you and so most of their illumination will be wasted. mount them on top of your bumper, and you'll do just fine.
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Old 10-13-2007, 11:57 PM   #21
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I looked and the reverse light is an 1156 bulb. This could actually be a very good and cool idea! The only thing is you'd have to do something about that center garnish. Either a spoiler like this:

(looks like he has a fog brake light installed on his bumper)

Or painted like this:


That way having the two different colored lights in the middle of the amber sections wouldn't look so wierd.
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:51 AM   #22
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Again, I haven't done any serious looking into this, so maybe this is out to lunch. However, I've always figured that the brake lights have 2 "settings" - low (just the lights on) and high (brakes on). So just hook up a relay that provides power to the "brakes on" circuit whenever the foglights are turned on. Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but it seems like that would be pretty easy.


Just out of curiousity, why does it have to be on the driver's side? I've seen some of the European cars that have them on just the driver's side, and some that have them on both side.
Actually Most European models have a seperat socket to help diferentiate the rear fog from the brake light, So that you could see the car from a distance (rear fog) and also know when they were braking. While the relay seems good, it'd be better converting the Reverse light to a fog.

As for only one side, I believe its too fold, one to help the person behind know where the drivers side of the car is, as well as not confusing those behind with you riding the brakes. For when I owned the S4, the passenger side had a socket as well, and some installed the bulb for fog as well as a "brake check" type device for tailgaters.
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:05 PM   #23
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I forgot to add. The 1156 bulb is a single filament. The 1157 is a dual filament with the same plug and shape size. So getting the proper female plug with the extra wire input and using this bulb as a two stage (dim and bright) fog brake light is quite feasible.

I've been emailing tons of JDM part importers trying to find information on the spoiler above.
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:06 PM   #24
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I looked and the reverse light is an 1156 bulb. This could actually be a very good and cool idea! The only thing is you'd have to do something about that center garnish. Either a spoiler like this:

That way having the two different colored lights in the middle of the amber sections wouldn't look so wierd.
either that or get JDM tail lights. still might look kinda odd, but at least it will all be fairly uniform in color when it's not lit up.
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Check this out. This is way different:

http://japamart.com/auctool.php?url=...tion/h54841905
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