GT37R Axis S5 Cosworth Head/Cam

billionaire7 · 10-17-2007, 09:10 AM

I'm wondering what kind of power this would make...

Axis Stage 5 Motor
Garrett GT3782R
Cosworth Head
Cosworth 274/278 Cam
1600cc injectors
Hydra EMS
And about everything else needed to run to it full potential..

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MJU1983 · 10-17-2007, 10:06 AM

It would make A LOT of power! Good luck.

Homemade WRX · 10-17-2007, 10:21 AM

530 something wheel and maxing 1000cc injectors...was it a stroker motor?

also your head/cam statement...makning a bold statement based off of no evidence?...if you have evidence, I'd love to see it

billionaire7 · 10-17-2007, 10:44 AM

^ True. I have made 488whp on 91oct and 56x on C16/28lbs with the Cosworth heads and 272/272 cam (street app.) along with the GT3582R. And this was all done on stock bottom end.

I'm asking because these Cosworth parts work well, very well! Along side a bulletproof motor, 9k redline, a stronger cam, and a turbo that keeps making power all the way to redline this combonation is capable of 700s. That is what I think...

Homemade WRX · 10-17-2007, 10:55 AM

I wouldn't see spinning a EJ257 with 278/274 cams and a 37r to 9k to be very productive...power should be topped off and falling before then.

MJU1983 · 10-17-2007, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

530 something wheel and maxing 1000cc injectors...was it a stroker motor?

also your head/cam statement...makning a bold statement based off of no evidence?...i fyou have evidence, I'd love to see it

I have seen everyones work / results. I know what works better and why: air flow.

Devan M · 10-17-2007, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJU1983

I have seen everyones work / results. I know what works better and why: air flow.

I assume you are referring to great results like these; http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1245492

ejh25 · 10-17-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billionaire7

^ True. I have made 488whp on 91oct and 56x on C16/28lbs with the Cosworth heads and 272/272 cam (street app.) along with the GT3582R. And this was all done on stock bottom end.

I'm asking because these Cosworth parts work well, very well! Along side a bulletproof motor, 9k redline, a stronger cam, and a turbo that keeps making power all the way to redline this combonation is capable of 700s. That is what I think...

9k redline?

Yikes.

MJU1983 · 10-17-2007, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devan M

I assume you are referring to great results like these; http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1245492

I certainly am partial to a certain builder, as you are. I apologize if I offended you.

Regards,
-Mike

blowbyu24 · 10-17-2007, 12:37 PM

e85 maxes out injectors much much quicker

Jeremy@Cobb · 10-17-2007, 01:13 PM

Depending on the dyno 525WHP+ on C16 is not out of the question.

Should be similar to the following, but a little more lag due to the engine being smaller.
http://www.harmanmotive.com/Gallery/STI/Chase/dyno.jpg

What is the car going to be used for? .. a larger turbine housing will be needed for big power!
The car above uses a 1.06 exhaust housing.

- J.

Homemade WRX · 10-17-2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blowbyu24

e85 maxes out injectors much much quicker

true and I completely missed the e85 comment until you posted that

I really would love to do a flow bench comparison of axis, cobb, crawford and any other head...take velocity profiles on all of them and see which is the "best" on the bench. This is closest and most thorough comparison without doing numerous, tedious, head installs to get real power as the bench can only do so much.

still working on getting more toys...like an engine dyno

MJU1983 · 10-17-2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy@Cobb

Please... do not post without info to back up your statement!

I have yet to see a Subaru head flow better than the Cobb CNC!

"the difference is night and day.. trust me... but... I have no proof"

I will give you credit in that they are better than your old stuff.

Homemade WRX · 10-17-2007, 01:51 PM

well hear comes a he said she said pissing match...well, could have been in interesting thread.

I will say that I've been impressed with few of the builds that get done by some of the large engine builders/tuners...not going to name anyone, as I don't like pissing on others as I don't know if I can do any better but we'll see.
I do know of one that I would NEVER run though...and shipping from california would be costly anyhow

MJU1983 · 10-17-2007, 02:06 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to ruin the OP thread. I will go and edit my posts to help keep this on track. Afterall, I love this site. <3

Jeremy@Cobb · 10-17-2007, 02:17 PM

Good luck with your build!

billionaire7 · 10-17-2007, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy@Cobb

Please... do not post without info to back up your statement!
I have yet to see a Subaru head flow better than the Cobb CNC!

"the difference is night and day.. trust me... but... I have no proof"

Remember it is easy to get the intake ports to flow well, the exhaust ports are another story.

Aside from all of this, the real proof is power.

http://www.harmanmotive.com/Gallery/STI/Chase/dyno.jpg

There is plenty more in this daily driver! The customer is currently happy with the current power levels.
I would be happy myself, with a 485whp California pump gas daily driver!

Build details...

Is this the STi with all the pink...

Homemade WRX · 10-17-2007, 02:51 PM

jeremy, what do you suspect to be choking off the top of the torque curve on that engine? I'm assuming it was just a EJ257 (or bigger?) w/heads, cams and 1.06 35r?...

still nice to see it just under 600 on c16...the nitrous run however...can you say goodbye drivetrain

Jeremy@Cobb · 10-17-2007, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billionaire7

Build details...

Is this the STi with all the pink...

Yes this is the "all the pink" car.
http://www.harmanmotive.com/Gallery/...ase/index.html

AZScoobie · 10-17-2007, 05:12 PM

I personaly would not bother with the 37R. I would go to the GT4094. This will ensure you will get up in the 600's. The compressor is to small on that 37 turbo.

Clark

Homemade WRX · 10-17-2007, 05:15 PM

I'm not a fan of th 37r either...

drewwrxrogers · 10-17-2007, 11:06 PM

Axis Ron Ftw!!!!!!!

LiquidForce · 10-17-2007, 11:15 PM

......

tino · 10-18-2007, 08:34 AM

i dont think those cams will push to 9k with that turbo..

more like 7500-8000rpm imo..

MJU1983 · 10-18-2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tino

i dont think those cams will push to 9k with that turbo..

more like 7500-8000rpm imo..

If that, need bigger ones!

10-17-2007, 09:10 AM	#1
billionaire7 Scooby Newbie Member#: 122428 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: USA	GT37R Axis S5 Cosworth Head/Cam I'm wondering what kind of power this would make... Axis Stage 5 Motor Garrett GT3782R Cosworth Head Cosworth 274/278 Cam 1600cc injectors Hydra EMS And about everything else needed to run to it full potential.. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

10-17-2007, 10:06 AM	#2
MJU1983 Scooby Specialist Member#: 14364 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Saint Louis, MO Vehicle: 2003 WRX, '06 Armada 05 Vette & 05 STi (sold)	It would make A LOT of power! Good luck. Last edited by MJU1983; 10-17-2007 at 02:07 PM. Reason: Trying to keep "on topic."

10-17-2007, 10:21 AM	#3
Homemade WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 33782 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: 3MI Racing LLC Vehicle: 96 bastard child search FIRST, then PM!!!	530 something wheel and maxing 1000cc injectors...was it a stroker motor? also your head/cam statement...makning a bold statement based off of no evidence?...if you have evidence, I'd love to see it Last edited by Homemade WRX; 10-17-2007 at 01:10 PM.

10-17-2007, 10:55 AM	#5
Homemade WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 33782 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: 3MI Racing LLC Vehicle: 96 bastard child search FIRST, then PM!!!	I wouldn't see spinning a EJ257 with 278/274 cams and a 37r to 9k to be very productive...power should be topped off and falling before then. Last edited by Homemade WRX; 10-17-2007 at 01:09 PM.

10-17-2007, 01:13 PM	#11
Jeremy@Cobb Scooby Newbie Member#: 106514 Join Date: Feb 2006	Depending on the dyno 525WHP+ on C16 is not out of the question. Should be similar to the following, but a little more lag due to the engine being smaller. http://www.harmanmotive.com/Gallery/STI/Chase/dyno.jpg What is the car going to be used for? .. a larger turbine housing will be needed for big power! The car above uses a 1.06 exhaust housing. - J. Last edited by Jeremy@Cobb; 10-17-2007 at 02:30 PM. Reason: Keeping this thread on track.

10-17-2007, 10:44 AM	#4
billionaire7 Scooby Newbie Member#: 122428 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: USA	^ True. I have made 488whp on 91oct and 56x on C16/28lbs with the Cosworth heads and 272/272 cam (street app.) along with the GT3582R. And this was all done on stock bottom end. I'm asking because these Cosworth parts work well, very well! Along side a bulletproof motor, 9k redline, a stronger cam, and a turbo that keeps making power all the way to redline this combonation is capable of 700s. That is what I think...

10-17-2007, 12:37 PM	#10
blowbyu24 Scooby Specialist Member#: 84482 Join Date: Apr 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: PA / Element Tuning Vehicle: 2005 STI.UR gt4088r E85 pro comp sti	e85 maxes out injectors much much quicker

10-17-2007, 01:51 PM	#14
Homemade WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 33782 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: 3MI Racing LLC Vehicle: 96 bastard child search FIRST, then PM!!!	well hear comes a he said she said pissing match...well, could have been in interesting thread. I will say that I've been impressed with few of the builds that get done by some of the large engine builders/tuners...not going to name anyone, as I don't like pissing on others as I don't know if I can do any better but we'll see. I do know of one that I would NEVER run though...and shipping from california would be costly anyhow

10-17-2007, 02:06 PM	#15
MJU1983 Scooby Specialist Member#: 14364 Join Date: Jan 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Saint Louis, MO Vehicle: 2003 WRX, '06 Armada 05 Vette & 05 STi (sold)	Sorry, didn't mean to ruin the OP thread. I will go and edit my posts to help keep this on track. Afterall, I love this site. <3

10-17-2007, 02:17 PM	#16
Jeremy@Cobb Scooby Newbie Member#: 106514 Join Date: Feb 2006	Good luck with your build! Last edited by Jeremy@Cobb; 10-17-2007 at 02:27 PM. Reason: Keeping the thread on track.

10-17-2007, 02:51 PM	#18
Homemade WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 33782 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: 3MI Racing LLC Vehicle: 96 bastard child search FIRST, then PM!!!	jeremy, what do you suspect to be choking off the top of the torque curve on that engine? I'm assuming it was just a EJ257 (or bigger?) w/heads, cams and 1.06 35r?... still nice to see it just under 600 on c16...the nitrous run however...can you say goodbye drivetrain

10-17-2007, 05:12 PM	#20
AZScoobie Scooby Guru Member#: 8785 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: SWIC Vehicle: 02 c_turner@ix. netcom.com	I personaly would not bother with the 37R. I would go to the GT4094. This will ensure you will get up in the 600's. The compressor is to small on that 37 turbo. Clark

10-17-2007, 05:15 PM	#21
Homemade WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 33782 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: 3MI Racing LLC Vehicle: 96 bastard child search FIRST, then PM!!!	I'm not a fan of th 37r either...

10-17-2007, 11:06 PM	#22
drewwrxrogers Scooby Specialist Member#: 132574 Join Date: Nov 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Missouri Vehicle: 04 Aspen White Sti GT35r, axis motor,280cams	Axis Ron Ftw!!!!!!!

10-17-2007, 11:15 PM	#23
LiquidForce Scooby Specialist Member#: 12811 Join Date: Nov 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Roswell Ga Vehicle: 2002 2.5l Wrx 517whp/516wtq (Stage pi)	...... Last edited by LiquidForce; 10-17-2007 at 11:15 PM. Reason: everyone else was editing their post so I figured I'd edit mine.

10-18-2007, 08:34 AM	#24
tino Top Scoob 019 Member#: 43630 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Vehicle: 2004 GT40R-built 2.5 604 whp @1.8 BAR on VP109	i dont think those cams will push to 9k with that turbo.. more like 7500-8000rpm imo..

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