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Old 10-19-2007, 04:30 PM   #51
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Although Subaru is working with Toyota to develop hybrid technology, the automaker will introduce diesels-powered vehicles to the market first, company officials announced. Europe is slated to get diesel-powered Subarus beginning next year — shortly after the diesels are debuted at the 2008 Geneva auto show — but the automaker has no immediately plans to bring the engines to the U.S. It's possible the U.S. market could have to wait until 2012 to get the new diesels.

“There are many opinions. But currently, the voices calling for diesels are stronger than the voices for hybrids,” Ikuo Mori, president of Subaru parent company Fuji Heavy Industries, told Automotive News Europe.
Although diesels are the automakers top priority, Subaru will continue to develop its hybrid technology with Toyota. “We agreed with Toyota to utilize the Toyota system in developing our own hybrid technology,” Mori said. “Fundamentally speaking, we can’t just plunk Toyota’s system into our own vehicles. We need to develop something that is adjusted to our products.”
Mori failed to give a time frame for when Subaru will have hybrids on the market but did say the company would wait until lithium-ion battery technology is perfected. General Motors hopes to have lithium-ion vehicles by 2010, so expect Subaru to introduce its hybrid technology after that, possibly around the same time the U.S. will get Subaru's diesel vehicles.


In addition to hybrid technology, Subaru and Toyota are also beleived to be co-developing a new sports car for the Japanese market.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/subaru-t...f-hybrids.html
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:17 PM   #52
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Isn't that the top of someone's head in the back seat? You can see it through the small rear window. It looks like a head to me, and a short person, as if it is a kid in a car seat.
It could be a little Japanese person. It was argued in another topic that the reason the helmeted beings in the STI test car appeared to have significant roof space over their heads was not because the new car has a greater (than the already substantial) floor-to-ceiling height than the '07 for total height of 58.1" but rather because the car was chock full o' little Japanese people.

What would be the point of ricer wheels on a test mule?
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:34 PM   #53
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I think the Diesel is a good idea.
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:41 PM   #54
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My buddy took this photo on the 91 Fwy earlier today. It was a Legacy with fender flares and an STI hood scoop. The wheels are very odd as they appear to be missing a spoke. The front hood and bumper were covered in metal sheeting and tape.

At the rear, dual tip exhaust on both sides just like on the new STI. Could this just be a test mule checking out the drivetrain for the new STI?

wtf's up with the wheels
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Old 10-19-2007, 06:50 PM   #55
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For the LOVE OF GOD, PEOPLE!

There is nothing wrong with the wheels. You are seeing visual distortion from the crappy camera in the guy's phone doing a sequential capture from top to bottom, and the spokes spinning away from the scan direction as it captures.

AGAIN, THE WHEELS ARE NOT ACTUALLY SHAPED LIKE THAT.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:07 PM   #56
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The real kicker is that they are just the normal Legacy GT/2.5i wheels.

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Old 10-19-2007, 07:10 PM   #57
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I'm gonna disagree. There is a reason somebody took that picture, and I'm willing to bet it wasnt the scoop alone. no reason to get angry anyways.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:18 PM   #58
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I'm gonna disagree. There is a reason somebody took that picture, and I'm willing to bet it wasnt the scoop alone.
Yeah.. the test equipment strapped to it.
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:08 PM   #59
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only if the sedan is a legacy!! dont want the impreza sedan as an sti....


any one stop to think maybe a forester drive train? 09's are suppose to have a new body style yet to be released... Just a thought since its supposed to be based on the legacy and new impreza platform...
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:08 PM   #60
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For the LOVE OF GOD, PEOPLE!

There is nothing wrong with the wheels. You are seeing visual distortion from the crappy camera in the guy's phone doing a sequential capture from top to bottom, and the spokes spinning away from the scan direction as it captures.

AGAIN, THE WHEELS ARE NOT ACTUALLY SHAPED LIKE THAT.
Alright show us other examples of where visual distortion bends metal and it'll shut alot of us up.
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:44 PM   #61
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Alright show us other examples of where visual distortion bends metal and it'll shut alot of us up.
Follow the mentions of "motion blur."
http://powazek.com/posts/606

Or this site:
http://cameratoss.blogspot.com/2007/...er-effect.html

Picture of a rotating propeller:

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Old 10-19-2007, 11:40 PM   #62
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Alright show us other examples of where visual distortion bends metal and it'll shut alot of us up.

http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/tech/_img/helicopter.jpg
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Old 10-19-2007, 11:58 PM   #63
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Really good example.

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Old 10-20-2007, 12:09 AM   #64
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OK SO; can we all at least agree the wheels aren't really like that and their appearance in the pic is caused by the camera?

IBnowecantcuzitsfuntoargueabout.

Think it's one of these from the Edmunds article?

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Old 10-20-2007, 01:59 PM   #65
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Even still why are only two spokes visualy distorted? In both example pics the visual distortion appears across the board-all prop blades are bent. In this legacy shot only two spokes are bent. Its still weird , regardless.
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:25 PM   #66
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the wheels are screwed up becuase he took the picture with a camera phone which distorts the moving wheels.
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:34 PM   #67
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Even still why are only two spokes visualy distorted? In both example pics the visual distortion appears across the board-all prop blades are bent. In this legacy shot only two spokes are bent. Its still weird , regardless.
Did you look at this picture that was 2 post above yours??



2 of the blades are visually distored, while the lower right blade is straight as an arrow.

Let it go man.
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Old 10-20-2007, 04:10 PM   #68
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Examples were shown so now shut it!!!

The car has been seen since last year. The last pic even came out in many magazines.



More pics (good ones) here:
http://news.windingroad.com/?p=1308#more-1308
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And here:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...s-subaru-turbo
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Old 10-20-2007, 06:01 PM   #70
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Debil's Advocate, but the fender flares do look bigger then the ones we saw on the car last year .....

Maybe they are testing out the new DSG we keep hearing about for the 2010 STi and just kept it in the same mule?

Or even crazier a new leggy drivetrain for the 2010 redesign
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Don't know the dimensions of the 08 Impreza nor the 09STi but the LegGT and -07 STi isn't compatible hence no LegGT's running tranny swaps.
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Great post and picture.... thanx
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:05 AM   #73
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If the wheels are messed up due to the camera's scanning, why are the lug nuts and the valve stem on that side not messed up, too? I'm not trying to start another conspiracy theory here, just asking to verify...

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Old 10-22-2007, 01:21 AM   #74
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If the wheels are messed up due to the camera's scanning, why are the lug nuts and the valve stem on that side not messed up, too? I think it's something else...

Because of basic high school physics. The outermost parts of the wheel spokes are the most distorted because they are moving faster than the lug nuts. The valve stems are not moving in the the same direction, in relation to the scan or shutter direction of the camera, as the spokes that are warped.

It's nothing else other than a photographic anomoly.
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Old 10-22-2007, 02:52 AM   #75
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Looks like half 6 or 7 spoke and two spokes from the OEM wheels split to balance the weight. That is definately not a normal wheel with rotational distortion.
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