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Old 01-19-2002, 04:47 PM   #1
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Default Wow, these SP5000's sure do like dirt!

I just got the 16" GT rims yesterday and had Sears put on 205/55/16 ZR rated Dunlop SP5000 tires.

I just *had* to try them out. This car is so much more stable now, it is like driving a different machine. Especially on dirt roads. These tires bite and bite and bite. I was shuffling the wheel lock to lock at 45mph on a nice wide open construction lot road and the car was drifting in control from one side of the road to the other.

I can tell I am going to have alot of fun with these tires. They handle mud so much better than the XW4s or the MX4s that I have had on the car. And, due to the lower profile they have much less sidewall roll on the street.

The rims I bought from gtguy, and they were in great shape other than a few cosmetic scratches. They look a bit small with the huge fender gap, but I can live with it. My speedometer is also about 10mph off at 60mph, which isn't too bad seeing as how when the car was completely stock the speedo was off 5mph @ indicated 60 (Speedo says 60, you are going 55).









(edit- I dug up some old pictures for comparison)
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Old 01-19-2002, 06:33 PM   #2
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Those wheels look so much better. I have never been a fan of the Outback wheels. Very nice looking wagon. They really make your Outback stand out in the crowd.
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Old 01-19-2002, 07:23 PM   #3
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Default Re: Wow, these SP5000's sure do like dirt!

wow remarcable, you've gone uptown on us! Looks good. I like the tint and the wheels. You'll never be mistaken for the run-of-the-mill Outback dressed up like that.

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Old 01-19-2002, 07:40 PM   #4
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I heard that those are good snow tires as well but from the pic (any one can confirm that?).. seems like you will not try them on snow. I will definitely pick them up when my A032 are done this summer.

Can you get a speedo from a gt/rs car and so your mileage will be correct?
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Old 01-19-2002, 08:16 PM   #5
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Marc,

What was your stock wheel size? 15" or 16"

Did you keep a similar overall diameter, sounds like your overall dia dropped.

Anyone know if there is any way to calibrate the speedo? Like with either different size gears, or would that be in the tranny and such?
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Old 01-19-2002, 08:31 PM   #6
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I went from stock size 205/70/r15 down to 205/55/r16.

Miata Tire Calculator says it is reading 5.4% too fast. I'm pretty sure it was already about that much off with stock tires. I would have liked to have the wheel wells filled a bit more, but the asymmetric tread pattern with the SP5000 only comes in 55 series sidewall or lower. And I am pretty sure that I would kill 17" rims (plus they are expensive). I suppose this is additional incentive now to get some more road-oriented struts and springs. Or coilovers. Hah! DMS 50's on an outback. That would be even funnier than an Outback with a racing seat in it. Templar has given me hope of more horsepower though (supercharger almost ready for production, talk to him!) and I have to get better suspension before I increase the power, otherwise the car is dangerous. The only problem now is funding. I'm broke! It'll be another month before I can pay off Subaru Mastercard for these tires!

Judging by the way these cut through mud, I would say they would do decently in the snow assuming you haven't worn them down too much.
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Old 01-19-2002, 08:50 PM   #7
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Oh wait, I forgot to post the picture I took after I put the lowering springs on it.
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Old 01-21-2002, 11:42 AM   #8
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Default Re: SP 5000s in snow

I have the symetrical versions (215/65/15) and I have to say their snow perfomance is pretty marginal, noticably worse that XW4s

SP 5000s are only 'all season' because Dunlop changed it at the last minute to a rubber that would stay supple in low temperature (read that on Tirerack.com somewhere), bur the tread pattern doesn't really take snow into account

Mud performence (in my experiance) only relates to deep snow performance, not icy'n packed snow (real world plowed or packed roads) performance.

I wouldn't trust SP 5000s for winter use (in those places that have winter )

I don't in fact, I run Blizzack in the winter

But I agree, SPs are GREAT in dirt 'n mud, even better on dry pavement (and wet too) pretty much the perfect summer tire for an Outback
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Old 01-21-2002, 09:33 PM   #9
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I've been waiting for pics like that. I've wanted to get wheels for my outback too...very nice looking
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Old 01-21-2002, 10:35 PM   #10
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Uh, just in case anyone didn't catch it, the lowered picture of the car is faked. It still sits at stock ride height as seen in the first post.
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Old 01-21-2002, 10:45 PM   #11
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I am running RE92 as winter tires, can you say SP5000 (sysmetric or asysmetric) is better than that?

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Old 01-21-2002, 11:07 PM   #12
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I cannot comment with any certainty on snow performance since I live in south carolina and only got to drive in snow for the first time this year. Unfortunatly, I didn't have these puppies on the car.
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Old 01-22-2002, 12:19 PM   #13
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Default Re: RE92 vs SP 5000 snow

I remember seeing a fair number of posts about RE92s doing pretty poorly in snow ( like this one http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthr...=RE92+and+snow )

I know from personal experiance that SP 5000s do not do as well as XW4 in snow (new SP 5000 vs 40k miles XW4 at that)

I am guessing from the posts I have seen (no 1st hand experiance with RE 92) that XW4 may be a bit better, or at least comparable to RE92 in snow.

RE92 are "high performance all season"
XW4 are "all season" (as a catagory not a rating)
SP 5000 are "ultra high performance all season"
RE 92 are "high performance all season"

According to tirerack.coms sorting.

(note, during my reasearch on tires, I discovered that tirerack.com ratings are subjective, and really only work within class... i.e. comparing "ultra High performance all season" and "all season" doesn't work. SP 5000s have a much higher snow traction rating than XW4, which is not the case (IMHO))

Peruse these forums (esp the wheel & Tire) forum, and others and you will pretty much discover that: (I kept track of a lot of posts)

High perfomance tires are summer tires (even if rated "all season...")

Summer tires suck in snow
Winter tires suck on dry pavement, (especially when hot)
'all season tires' suck everywhere, the more all season they are... the more they suck at the extremes.

If you want tires that don't suck get two sets (summer and winter specific)
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