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Old 10-25-2007, 11:32 PM   #1
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Default Time to do another clutch

Well after spending 2 days doing the clutch on my 91 sentra a couple weeks ago, I find that the Throw out bearing in the subi is starting to take a poo . Dealership said they did the clutch on the car before we bought it in march, they must have done a crappy job or none at all(lots of chatter from an un-machined fly wheel, chirping bearing). So I need to start thinking about getting some new stuff in there. I am thinking about going with a higher performance clutch and possibly one of the slightly lighter chromoly flywheels. Anyone have any input on what to get and where to get it. I cheaped out on the nissan as its a just a $700 commuter car, but i need to do the subi up right. Also, whats the best way to do a clutch on a LGT? I dropped the tranny out on the nissan, and it was a fair bit of work. Would it be better/easier to pull out the engine instead? Never done much hardcore work on the sub, havent really even looked at it to see if its even something I could do.
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Old 10-25-2007, 11:42 PM   #2
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The most recommended for a backyard mechanic is to lift the engine a couple of inches and you can get about 6" of clearance between the engine and tranny...
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Old 10-26-2007, 01:03 PM   #3
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I would NOT go with a performance clutch. Just do the lightened flywheel. I was going to do both upgrades, but the shop talked me out of it. They said the heavier pedal would drive me mad after a while. I'm glad I lisened to them. The flywheel was more than enough performance boost, and my leg doesn't kill me at the end of the day.

Now, if you will be doing some major autox or other high-demand racing, that's a different story. Otherwise, the new stock clutch holds tough and doesn't hurt your leg...
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Old 10-26-2007, 02:10 PM   #4
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Stock clutch is good to keep--it's much better to have that brake than something else in the driveline.
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:16 PM   #5
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I went with the Exedy sport and lightened flywheel, and I'm happy with it. It's not really much stiffer than stock. From what I hear, it's the same clutch used in a stock WRX, and most don't complain about the feel of that one.
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:47 PM   #6
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The full disc clutches have a similar pedal effort as the stock one for the most part. (stage 1 or something). It's when you get to the puck-types that it gets heavier.

Although I'd like to point out my ACT street is a little stiffer than stock, but from experience, the stock subaru clutch is on the heavy side when it comes to stock clutch effort anyway, so the difference isn't as dramatic as say on a Honda or Toyota (both have really light pedal effort).
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:52 PM   #7
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Make sure you replace the pilot bearing/bushing. A lot of them do not get replaced because they "look good" and that is what can cause chatter. It may be what happen to you.

I am unsure if Subbie uses a bushing or bearing but you should be able to step up to a bearing. Anyone know what subbie uses?

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Old 10-26-2007, 05:34 PM   #8
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Stock clutch is good to keep--it's much better to have that brake than something else in the driveline.
+1. I have a Fidanza lightweight flywheel, and I love it - best $300 upgrade I ever did to the car, and I got it done while the clutch was getting replaced anyway.
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Old 10-26-2007, 05:52 PM   #9
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Make sure you replace the pilot bearing/bushing. A lot of them do not get replaced because they "look good" and that is what can cause chatter. It may be what happen to you.

I am unsure if Subbie uses a bushing or bearing but you should be able to step up to a bearing. Anyone know what subbie uses?

Peace,

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They use a bearing. There's bearing/snout fix you can buy to get rid of that clutch chatter too. I think PDM makes it - it's around $125. May as well do that too to reduce the noise (have it and it really does work).
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:05 PM   #10
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Yeah... ALWAYS replace the bearing when doing the job. They are cheap enough that you'd be stupid NOT to...
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Old 10-26-2007, 11:06 PM   #11
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Most good clutch kits will come with a pilot bearing and a throwout bearing.

I went with the exedy OE style replacement clutch for about $300, and it had all that stuff.
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Old 10-27-2007, 10:38 PM   #12
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now if your talking like a stage 2+ clutch, that'll be the problem. i currently have a exedy stage 1 organic with primative racing's 14lbs flywheel. the setup is very much like stock but bites about 1/4 of the way up. btw, my leg doesn't kill me in rush hour also

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I would NOT go with a performance clutch. Just do the lightened flywheel. I was going to do both upgrades, but the shop talked me out of it. They said the heavier pedal would drive me mad after a while. I'm glad I lisened to them. The flywheel was more than enough performance boost, and my leg doesn't kill me at the end of the day.

Now, if you will be doing some major autox or other high-demand racing, that's a different story. Otherwise, the new stock clutch holds tough and doesn't hurt your leg...
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Old 10-29-2007, 02:45 AM   #13
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now if your talking like a stage 2+ clutch, that'll be the problem. i currently have a exedy stage 1 organic with primative racing's 14lbs flywheel. the setup is very much like stock but bites about 1/4 of the way up. btw, my leg doesn't kill me in rush hour also

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just going on what the service guys told me. I WANTED a bit more bite, but they said all the aftermarkets they had would be tougher on the leg muscles. Maybe they didn't carry the stage ones? They got me the cobb flywheel, so special parts shouldn't have been a problem...

At least the new stock clutch feels real strong, or at least strong enough.
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Old 10-29-2007, 11:44 AM   #14
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Yeah, generally speaking getting any uprated clutch will get a stiffer pedal, but like I said before on the subaru, I've found the stock clutch to be relatively stiff as is, so stepping up to a stage 1 won't be that noticeable.

If you've tried the clutch pedals on a toyota or honda, you'll know what I mean about how heavy the stock subaru clutch pedal is compared to those manufacturers.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:51 PM   #15
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Oh yeah... I've tried a honda. It's like you are pushing your foot into a tub of warm butter. I hate those clutches... no feel at all.
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:39 AM   #16
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I have 60K on my car now and the clutch was replaced at 20K something because of cold morning chatter. The "new" stock clutch was noticably softer than the old stock clutch. I am used to it now so I am sure if I had the origonal clutch back it would feel harder for awhile.

Either way, both were a lot softer than my other car so it never really bothered me. It was more of soft and softer.

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Old 10-30-2007, 09:17 AM   #17
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yeah i only paid like 175 for my clutch w/throw out bearing, lightened flywheel, etc.....my car feels and drives like its new still even after 2 months
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