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Old 01-20-2002, 01:29 AM   #1
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Default Need advice: Is it my tires or the ABS?

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This is really the first time i hve had the car out on the snowy roads. The car goes anywhere i put it and actually well im just amazed at the traction it has. But when i try to stop the ABS comes on and i keep going... I blew 3 stop signs i had absolutely no intention of blowing through lol. The roads were covered but it seemed like no matter how slowly i applied the brakes or almost even how lightly, the ABS came on.

My initial thoughts were that maybe the ABS is just too damn sensitive, but now im thinking it might be the fact that im still on the 215x45x17's x 7 Toyo Proxes.

Do you think its the wheels or the ABS any thoughts?
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Old 01-20-2002, 01:31 AM   #2
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It's your tires. You have FZ4s right? I got ditched a set of P7000SS that did exactly what your car is doing when I had them. The Arctic Alpins I've got now stop right away _on_ice_ with minimal abs'ing.
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Old 01-20-2002, 01:33 AM   #3
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yep its the FZ4's Like i said though they get traction going just wont stop, maybe its due to the directional tread.

Im sure they say not recommended for winter use somewhere lol. Maybe its back to the RE'92's and the Gold wheels for a bit then.
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Old 01-20-2002, 01:46 AM   #4
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RE92s will be a little better, but the FZ4 is like the p7000SS... it's M+S rated but it's way too hard and the tread pattern is all wrong for snow. AWD gets you going, but you're just another car with the wrong tires when it comes to stopping
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Old 01-20-2002, 01:53 AM   #5
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Last year my winter car was a Ford Thunderbird (rear wheel drive) and i had no trouble with it, had a ton of fun mind you but no trouble.

I dont have the money to throw into snow tires so the stockies will do just fine < edit > And I will just make sure to keep paying my insurance bill< /edit >

I gotta see what i can do about getting my wipers fixed though... I turned them on tonight and the passenger side one caught the driver side one, there was a short battle in which the driverside one went in for the kill with a sharp spearing motion and flipped the passenger side one over. After a couple times of scrapping across the windshield (as i sat there amazed) they locked again in a box configuration directly in front of the steering wheel.

And i was like WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*****ING****SH**

Seriously though i never thought i would see the day that the passenger side windshield wiper would get its ass kicked by the driver side one lol.

Thanks for the help and have a great night. Car goes into exeter on monday morning bright and early, maybe i can get them to take a look see at the wipers while im there.
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Old 01-20-2002, 02:12 AM   #6
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It's also your braking style. If you just push down on the pedal and expect the car to stop, the ABS will kick in immediately. You need to threshold brake and only apply pressure until the ABS is just barely about to kick in and keep your foot there. Even on non snow tires that will stop better than the ABS just chattering away.

On my Bridgestone Blizzaks (hardcore snow and ice tire) I can stop on a dime with no ABS or sliding if I threshold brake in the snow or ice. If I just stomp down and kick in the ABS, however, I'll slide 10 or 20 extra feet. Same thing goes for dirt and gravel. I actually pull my ABS fuse while rallying so I have no ABS.

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Old 01-20-2002, 02:16 AM   #7
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Here you go...the tread pattern of the Blizzaks. The best snow and ice tires I've ever had but they're a little mushy on the highway. Each tread block has 5 or 7 sipes cut through them and is about 3/8" tall. Lots of bite!



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Old 01-20-2002, 07:32 AM   #8
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Also, make sure you're braking with the car in gear. If you put the clutch in and then apply the brakes, you are much more likely to activate ABS immediately. If you brake with the clutch still engaged, the inertia of the entire drivetrain is helping to keep things from locking up, and the ABS threshold is much higher. I did some experimenting with this last night and it's a huge difference in braking ability, trust me.

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Old 01-20-2002, 01:11 PM   #9
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I have also experienced most of the above. I had a 98 rs and now have a WRX. The RS had FZ4s for a winter and the car did not stop. I then swithced to Nokian snowtires and the car ruled in the snow. I am currently driving on RE92s and they are pretty bad in the snow as well but much better on the sandy roads after the snow is gone. The cars stop much better leaving the cars in gear as well, the abs does not come on nearly as much.

I do have one question for everyone. On my RS I put a set of metal master pads and the car really stopped nicely. I now have the WRX and the thing stops like a tank. I know the car is heavier but I thought the brakes were bigger and should negiate the heavier car. I am thinking of getting a set of EBC pads after the winter. As anyone experienced something similiar.

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Old 01-20-2002, 01:17 PM   #10
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In deep enough snow you COULD try pitching the car sidways.
Seems to slow the car down in a hurry. ...Just dont try this technique at high speed.
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Old 01-20-2002, 02:51 PM   #11
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>In deep enough snow you COULD try pitching the car sidways.


Was most of the night
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