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View Poll Results: What tires Should I choose out of these Five
Yokohama W.Drive 3 6.25%
Dunlop Sp Winter Sport 3D 24 50.00%
Bridestone Blizzak WS-60 15 31.25%
Michelin Pilot Alpine PA2 4 8.33%
Yokohama Ice Guard IG20 2 4.17%
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:06 PM   #1
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I need to order some new winter tires, but I am stuck between a few different tires. If anyone has used any of these please let me know what your good and bad reviews are.

I will be using these for winter daily driving, and going up to the mountain a few times a month. I need a good rain/snow studless tire. I will be mounting these on my stock wrx wheels:205/55/R16.

My top two choices are the Yokohama W.Drive and the Dunlop 3D.
These are From Tirerack.com and discounttiredirect.com


Yokohama W.drive. $101 (New tire no reviews or much USA info.)



Dunlop Sp Winter Sport 3D(Hr or Vr Rating) $90-96.



Bridestone Blizzak WS-60 $104



Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2 $99



Yokohama Ice Guard IG20 $109 (New tire also)


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Old 10-29-2007, 08:26 PM   #2
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I would vote for Bridgestone, but that's because I love my LM-25s.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:39 PM   #3
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I'd say don't get the WIntersports :P I work for a tire company and we NEVER sell those. The Blizzaks look the best for throwing out water/slush and whatnot.
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Old 10-29-2007, 09:05 PM   #4
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I had the Alpin PA2s and they rocked good balanced winter tire capable of doing a little bit of everything.
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:38 AM   #5
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Default Blizz'es all the way!

@ my dealership (we are also a Tire Rack vendor) the Bridgestone's are the ones our customers (and I) rave about. There is one lazy SOB that left them on his STI all summer and there is still plenty of tread for this winter. Amazing for rubber that so soft it feels like a 'gum eraser'! You can't go wrong with the Blizz'es!
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:52 AM   #6
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ws-60s ftw, have you read the tire rack reviews? I just ordered some in 185/60/15
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:27 AM   #7
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You have some high performance winter tires mixed with studless winter (ice?) tires.
Is dry, cold performance important or not?

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Old 10-30-2007, 10:31 AM   #8
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If you want the safest tires get ice tires. Ice is usually the killer.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:53 PM   #9
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The winter Sport 3D is a great all around performacne winter tire but the Blizzak WS60 will offer the most ice and snow traction ....

but you really need to determine what works best for your application ... if you want to call me we can figure it out

here is some info to help you

There are basically three different types of winter tires so, we'll start there

#1.) Performance Winter

You want enhanced dry road handling from your winter tires and are willing to trade some snow and ice traction to get it.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these low profile, H- or V-speed rated tires are designed to suit winter driving on European highways. They are available in many of the low profile sizes used as Original Equipment on sporty imported and domestic cars. Due to their unique designs these tires must be installed in sets of four.

#2.) Studless Ice and Snow

You want to maximize snow and ice traction from your winter tires without the inconvenience of using winter tire studs.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these Q-speed rated tires feature the latest in tread compound technology to provide winter traction without the inconvenience of tire studs. They trade a little handling for excellent ice and snow traction. Due to their unique tread compounds these tires must be installed in sets of four.

#3.)Studdable Winter

You want the traditional security of studded winter tires for enhanced traction on ice.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these non-, Q-, S-, or T-speed rated tires feature traditional snow tire tread compounds and studdable tread designs for good snow and ice traction. Due to their unique designs these tires must be used in sets of four. Use of studded tires is often prohibited or restricted. Check with local authorities to confirm legality.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:03 PM   #10
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Default Hankook w300

These Hankooks are akin to Luke's first category. I know you dont have them on your list, but I JUST installed them on my stock 17" rims for my WRX and wanted to just throw another choice at you. They are cheap, good on ice (my brother-in-law has them as well) not TERRIBLE in the snow (but admittedly their tread is definitely designed more for highway/packed road driving than for deeper snow), great in the wet, and pretty good on dry roads.

They do have a soft sidewall (obviously) so be prepared for that. I went with a 205/50/17 and they run fairly large (they are about 3/8-4/8" taller than the 225/45/17 Falken FK452s mounted on a 7.5" rim that I had on for the summer).

I will give more input as the winter wears on.
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:02 AM   #11
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don't forget that the ws-60 is r rated ,so you must be seventeen or have parents permission to drive. No but honestly they have a top speed of 89 mph not a big deal but i run that to and from work every day
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:13 AM   #12
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I voted for the 3Ds based on what you say you want. You sound like a good candidate for the "performance winter" category, just like me. The contenders in that category are the Hankook Icebear W300s, the Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds, and the Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25s (the WS-60s you mention are a deep snow and ice tire, soft, wobbly, and like driving a drunken couch on rollerskates if you get onto dry tarmac). In the end, it came down to the 3Ds and the Icebears because the Blizzaks are stupid expensive. I actually couldn't pick between then until DTD ran a $100 off sale and only had the Icebears.

I put the Icebears on the car yesterday to scrub off the mould release and rough up the rubber before the first time I really needed them. I must say that I am deeply impressed. In 50-60F dry tarmac, then handle very, very well, and that's coming straight off of UHP summer tires. They are slightly vague on center on the highway, but I bet that has to do with the tread depth being so much deeper than my summer tires. They're relatively quick side to side (doesn't dull the reactions in other words), VERY VERY progressive at the limit, and overall aren't going to make me hate having winter tires on. I'm quite pleased over these first 200mi. The only major drawback is the lack of outright grip. They definitely have lower grip than UHP summer tires, perhaps on par with a quality all-season. When they do start to break away, they make this comic low moaning sound like an iceberg breaking up. However, even if you overcook a corner and get them to break away, they do it so progressively that you have plenty of time to adjust your line and get it gathered back up before anything bad happens (unlike some tires I've driven that were good-good-gone!).

Obviously, I have no input on their winter abilities other than to say JEEZE THAT'S A LOT OF SIPES!
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:14 AM   #13
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don't forget that the ws-60 is r rated ,so you must be seventeen or have parents permission to drive. No but honestly they have a top speed of 89 mph not a big deal but i run that to and from work every day
funny guy .... but also incorrect

Speed Rating

In Europe, where selected highways do not have speed limits and high speed driving is permitted, speed ratings were established to match the speed capability of tires with the top speed capability of the vehicles to which they are applied. Speed ratings are established in kilometers per hour and subsequently converted to miles per hour (which explains why speed ratings appear established at "unusual" mile per hour increments). Despite the tire manufacturer's ability to manufacturer tires capable of high speeds, none of them recommend the use of their products in excess of legal speed limits.

Speed ratings are based on laboratory tests where the tire is pressed against a large diameter metal drum to reflect its appropriate load, and run at ever increasing speeds (in 6.2 mph steps in 10 minute increments) until the tire's required speed has been met.

It is important to note that speed ratings only apply to tires that have not been damaged, altered, under-inflated or overloaded. Additionally, most tire manufacturers maintain that a tire that has been cut or punctured no longer retains the tire manufacturer's original speed rating, even after being repaired because the tire manufacturer can't control the quality of the repair.

Over the years, tire speed rating symbols have been marked on tires in any of three ways shown in the following examples:
225/50SR16 225/50SR16 89S or 225/50R16 89S

Each of these was an acceptable method of identifying speed ratings.

Early tires had their speed rating symbol shown "within" the tire size, such as 225/50SR16. Tires using this type of branding were not to have been produced after 1991.
225/50SR16 112 mph, 180 km/h
225/50HR16 130, 210 km/h
225/50VR16 in excess of 130 mph, 210 km/h

Beginning in 1991, the speed symbol denoting a fixed maximum speed capability of new tires must be shown only in the speed rating portion of the tire's service description, such as 225/50R16 89S. The most common tire speed rating symbols, maximum speeds and typical applications are shown below:

M 81 mph 130 km/h
N 87 mph 140km/h
P 93 mph 150 km/h
Q 99 mph 160 km/h
R 106 mph 170 km/h
S 112 mph 180 km/h
T 118 mph 190 km/h
U 124 mph 200 km/h
H 130 mph 210 km/h
V 149 mph 240 km/h

When Z-speed rated tires were first introduced, they were thought to reflect the highest tire speed rating that would ever be required, in excess of 240 km/h or 149 mph. While Z-speed rated tires are capable of speeds in excess of 149 mph, how far above 149 mph was not identified. That ultimately caused the automotive industry to add W- and Y-speed ratings to identify the tires that meet the needs of new vehicles that have extremely high top-speed capabilities.
W 168 mph 270 km/h Exotic Sports Cars
Y 186 mph 300 km/h Exotic Sports Cars

While a Z-speed rating still often appears in the tire size designation of these tires, such as 225/50ZR16 91W, the Z in the size signifies a maximum speed capability in excess of 149 mph, 240 km/h; the W in the service description indicates the tire's 168 mph, 270 km/h maximum speed.
225/50ZR16 in excess of 149 mph, 240 km/h
205/45ZR17 88W 168 mph, 270 km/h
285/35ZR19 99Y 186 mph, 300 km/h

Most recently, when the Y-speed rating indicated in a service description is enclosed in parentheses, such as 285/35ZR19 (99Y), the top speed of the tire has been tested in excess of 186 mph, 300 km/h indicated by the service description as shown below:
285/35ZR19 99Y 186 mph, 300 km/h
285/35ZR19 (99Y) in excess of 186 mph, 300 km/h

As vehicles have increased their top speeds into Autobahn-only ranges, the tire speed ratings have evolved to better identify the tires capability, allowing drivers to match the speed of their tires with the top speed of their vehicle.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:02 AM   #14
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. . . #2.) Studless Ice and Snow

You want to maximize snow and ice traction from your winter tires without the inconvenience of using winter tire studs.

Meeting severe snow service requirements and branded with the "Snowflake-on-the-Mountain" symbol, these Q-speed rated tires feature the latest in tread compound technology to provide winter traction without the inconvenience of tire studs. They trade a little handling for excellent ice and snow traction. Due to their unique tread compounds these tires must be installed in sets of four. . . .
Not all Ice and Snow tires are Q-rated. The Toyo Garit KX - an outstanding snow and ice tire (which Tire Rack doesn't sell) - is H-rated.

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Old 10-31-2007, 11:33 AM   #15
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Not to mention R rated (not a movie) WS-60.

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Old 10-31-2007, 12:00 PM   #16
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I just picked up a set of Blizzak WS50's for my Impreza Sport, so hopefully I'm set for the Michigan snow! I ran the Firestone Winterforce's on my Civic RT4WD for 3 years, and they seemed to handle the snow great.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:44 PM   #17
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I would think about what williaty pointed out as you are doing your research. What % of your driving this winter would actually happen on snow vs. dry roads? Are you going to have to daily tackle unplowed dirt roads, or do you want to be prepared to hit the mountains for skiing / snowboarding 2-3 times a month? Because the WS-60s would definitely suck in terms of dry road handling. One additional detail to point out is that if you drive extensively on dry roads in relatively warm weather (>45 deg) you may experience abnormal tread wear.

I went with the LM-25s (V-rated) - a real dedicated snow tire but much, much better handling on dry roads. I guess the closest one on your list would be the Dunlop Sp Winter Sport 3D.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:10 PM   #18
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Thanks for all the feedback so far.

I am looking for a winter performance tire over a Snow/Ice tire. I just wanted to know if anybody was using them, and what there feed back was.

I live near Portland,Or. A lot of rain in the winter, not much valley snow. But I do intend on heading up to the mountains a few times a month. Mostly city/ highway driving. Some of the roads are not plowed were i go(forest service roads). And I didn't know how well A winter perf. tire would handle plowing through a foot a fresh snow.

The Icebars are on my list, local shop has them for $350 mounted, I just wanted to see if any better, slightly more expensive options were out there.
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:03 PM   #19
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I just bought a set of the Yokohama W*Drives today. I'll report on how they do on our wet, PNW snow (soon, I hope).
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Old 11-14-2007, 02:53 PM   #20
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Nokian's FTW...Can't get a better winter tyre. Expensive, yah but def. worth the money.
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I have michelin X-ice's on my car... i'd choose those over any of the ones posted in the original post.
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:41 PM   #22
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Nokian's FTW...Can't get a better winter tyre. Expensive, yah but def. worth the money.
Buying a Nokian winter tire is like buying Michelin Pilot Sports, sweet tire that is overpriced...

Plenty of options that are cheaper and just as effective, save the $$$.
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I have michelin X-ice's on my car... i'd choose those over any of the ones posted in the original post.
Ditto. They're fabulous.
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Buying a Nokian winter tire is like buying Michelin Pilot Sports, sweet tire that is overpriced...

Plenty of options that are cheaper and just as effective, save the $$$.
if you buy the Nokian WRs you can at least run them all year round, they are at least as good as a decent all season in the summer. I run them all year round on a Tribeca and a Windstar.
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if you buy the Nokian WRs you can at least run them all year round, they are at least as good as a decent all season in the summer. I run them all year round on a Tribeca and a Windstar.
I probably should have specified their dedicated snow tires, the WR is a fabulous tire that can almost do it all. The competition is slim for that tire, the only other one I can think of is the Green Diamond Icelander, which is also more or less an all-weather tire since they are made to do 40k miles.
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