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Old 10-30-2007, 10:54 AM   #1
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I have a 06 STI with almost 14000 miles on it. Twice in the last month when starting my car I get the noise that you get when you try to start the car and forget that it is already running. Each time that it has happened the car has started right up the second time I turn the key.

The dealership can't duplicate the problem (which I figured would happen since it has only happened twice in the last month).

What do you guys think is the problem? I think it has to be the starter, and what do you think I can do to show the dealer that they should replace the starter before the car won't start?

Also, what is being damaged when I hear this noise? Is any damage that it may be causing worthy of convincing the dealer to go ahead and replace the starter.

One last thing, a guy at the dealership said that he would not suggest it from the "subaru dealership point of view" but as a last ditch effort if I was stranded and absolutley had to get going (with my 16 month old somewhere I don't want to wait) that I could push start the car. I commented that I thought this would be really bad on an AWD car and he said to try and do it in 2nd or 3rd. Is this a possibility to get moving in an absolute emergency?
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:41 AM   #2
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Hello,

I have a 06 STI with almost 14000 miles on it. Twice in the last month when starting my car I get the noise that you get when you try to start the car and forget that it is already running. Each time that it has happened the car has started right up the second time I turn the key.

The dealership can't duplicate the problem (which I figured would happen since it has only happened twice in the last month).

What do you guys think is the problem? I think it has to be the starter, and what do you think I can do to show the dealer that they should replace the starter before the car won't start?

Also, what is being damaged when I hear this noise? Is any damage that it may be causing worthy of convincing the dealer to go ahead and replace the starter.

One last thing, a guy at the dealership said that he would not suggest it from the "subaru dealership point of view" but as a last ditch effort if I was stranded and absolutley had to get going (with my 16 month old somewhere I don't want to wait) that I could push start the car. I commented that I thought this would be really bad on an AWD car and he said to try and do it in 2nd or 3rd. Is this a possibility to get moving in an absolute emergency?
Push starting any manual car isn't going to be detrimental to it other than maybe the slight shock load on the transmission which isn't any worse than your foot slipping off the clutch pedal.

However when your starter is grinding it could be ruining the teeth on the flywheel which could cause a new starter to have the same problem as well. If the starter is not engaging properly it could be the solenoid that moves that gear forward to contact the flywheel, if you are having problems with it I can see them only getting worse.

I have push started my car when the starter failed, 2nd gear would not cut it, I had to do it in 1st gear and that was still a pain in the ass. No damage to the drivetrain but I had some very sore leg muscles
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:25 PM   #3
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starter solenoid could be having some issues, could be a loose ground, could be the battery.

any number of electrical things it could be.

anything specific you remember about the times it didn't work right? lots of heat? etc.

as far as damage, if you hear some grinding kind of noise, along with the starter motor just spinning, you could be doing damage to the teeth on the starter, and the specific spot on the flywheel that it hits (remember flywheel isn't moving).

push starting won't cause any issues.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:00 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies,

The first time was about 3 weeks ago. Average temps here about 80-85.

I usually let the gauges sweep to prime the fuel pump before starting the car but the first time the problem happened I just jumped in and tried to start the car.

The second time was this past Friday, resonable temp for Wilmington in late October. I let the guages sweep and then tried to start. I got that terrible grinding noise. I let the keep come back out of ignition and turned the key again. Car started right up.

I have not had any other electrical problems with the car. I am the original owner. The only other problem so far is that my washer fluid pump died and they replaced that under warranty.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:12 PM   #5
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I've had this too, both times i don't think I had the clutch fully depressed, or had it depressed than let up a little as I was turning the ignition. Food for thought.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:01 PM   #6
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I've had this too, both times i don't think I had the clutch fully depressed, or had it depressed than let up a little as I was turning the ignition. Food for thought.

That is interesting becuase they did ask me if I had the clutch engaged fully. I am pretty sure that I did but not 100%. I will make 100% sure that the clutch is in fully.

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Old 10-30-2007, 04:03 PM   #7
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That is interesting becuase they did ask me if I had the clutch engaged fully. I am pretty sure that I did but not 100%. I will make 100% sure that the clutch is in fully.

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No prob, bump the thread if it happens to you again....I'd like to see if this is the cause
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:58 PM   #8
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Ive seen this before; My ex girlfriend that had a Cavalier that did this all the time. When she finally bugged me enough, I bought a new starter to replace hers. When I removed it, the "shield" on the starter that surrounds half of the flywheel( I think that is the name?) was cracked and literally hanging in the range of motion that sends the "flywheel" outward when you turn the key to ignition. The blades on the wheel were grinding into a portion of the "shield", producing the horrible sound that made me cringe every time. I hope I worded that the right way; It might be a different situation for you, but it sounds just like what was going on with her Cavalier. Did the dealership remove the starter to inspect it? Someone needs to remove it so that it can be inspected. Hope that helped a little.


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Old 10-31-2007, 12:27 AM   #9
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The sound you hear is a problem with the teeth of the starter meshing with the flywheel. The starter is either not fully extending to meet the flywheel or you have some bad teeth somewhere on you flywheel. Everytime you hear that noise you are making the situation worse and it should be fixed ASAP. Have you done a clutch job recently?
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I recently changed my clutch and flywheel...started it up for the first time today and nasty starter sound while cranking and continued after running. Anyone know where i went wrong?
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