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Old 10-30-2007, 07:23 PM   #1
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Default Why do people hate Goodyear?

Not everybody. But some people do, including the more vocal ones here at NASIOC.

Just wondering, why the hate?
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:05 PM   #2
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Tires good new, bad after new. Make lots of noise, and don't last worth a darn.
Problems, problems, problems for $$$$$$.

Viva la Pirelli, Yok, and Toyo!!!!
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:14 PM   #3
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lots O' $$$$ for a shatti tire. japanese tire for a jap car for me!
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:23 PM   #4
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Can you guys be more specific? Which model, how many miles, what happened, while doing what, etc?
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:34 PM   #5
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There isn't anything wrong with Goodyear. It's just specific tires fit specific applications and a lot of people are finding better options for their particular application in a different brand.
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:17 AM   #6
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Agreed - for as soft as they are, and as quickly as they wear out, you'd think they'd grip better...

nope.
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:53 AM   #7
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I thought people loved the Eagle F1 GS-D3
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:26 AM   #8
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I thought people loved the Eagle F1 GS-D3
Personally, I do love em. Way better than the Yoko ES100's I had on my previous car.

But with everying poopooing on Goodyears... maybe the Bridgestone RE050's and RE01R's are gonna be that much better?

From what I read, I had got the impression that the Goodyear f1gsd3's were on par with the RE050s, maybe even better in the wet. And with a 240 tread wear, that beats the Bridgeston's 140 rating.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:17 AM   #9
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I thought people loved the Eagle F1 GS-D3
Yes. If I ever get new street tires for the STI, they will probably be GS-D3's. But I think that's the only GY tire anyone even considers. I had some sort of GY tire that came stock on the Mazda3 and they were horrible. Didn't grip well and were worn out in 30K miles.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:11 AM   #10
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GoodYear makes overpriced mediocre tires.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:34 AM   #11
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I work there and im not a fan of them
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:48 AM   #12
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I had the Eagle RS-A (260/A/B), a stock tire on the Focus, and they suck. I got the Assurance TripleTred (740/A/B) and they are a dream, especially in wet/snow. We have the same tire on a Taurus and a Grand Caravan and they work.

The WRX came with the RE92 (160/A/A) and they're ok in the rain and snow. I'm going to get the Eagle F1 A/S (420/AA/A) -- these are basically performance TripleTreds.

I don't track the car and I don't rally the car -- it's a daily, all season driver, so the F1 A/S will work for me.

Sometimes what tires one has is part of the brag/bling factor. Get what you think is best for your driving habits.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:38 AM   #13
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I've got the F1 GS-D3 and love them. I got them about a year ago for $78 a piece on special at the Tire Rack with a $50 rebate from GY, so the whole OMG$$$ thing wasn't an issue for me. Great wet and dry grip.
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:03 AM   #14
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I had the Eagle RS-A (260/A/B), a stock tire on the Focus, and they suck. I got the Assurance TripleTred (740/A/B) and they are a dream, especially in wet/snow. We have the same tire on a Taurus and a Grand Caravan and they work.

The WRX came with the RE92 (160/A/A) and they're ok in the rain and snow. I'm going to get the Eagle F1 A/S (420/AA/A) -- these are basically performance TripleTreds.

I don't track the car and I don't rally the car -- it's a daily, all season driver, so the F1 A/S will work for me.

Sometimes what tires one has is part of the brag/bling factor. Get what you think is best for your driving habits.
RS-A's came stock on our other car (family car) and they SUCKED and wore down quick. I hated them and I'd say even the stock RE92's that came on my WRX were better.

I really like my f1gsd3's though.

But like the RE92's (which also still suck, particularly in wet), I didn't think ONE tire model was indicitive of an entire brand.

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Old 10-31-2007, 01:42 PM   #15
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The RS-A is a very old tire. You're talking about something that is very outdated by today's standards. The tire itself was very good for it's time. I've driven on a set before on a loaner car. They have decent stick in dry.

The RE92, everyone hates. It's not a horrible tire new. It comes stock on a lot of cars(not sure why) and have test driven a car with them on dry, snow, and ice. In new shape, they faired well on everything but ice. I've driven on much, much worse tires. Again, it too is outdated. You really need to compare current technology to current technology. The Tripletread is pretty new tire. It's also very, very well liked as a passenger tire. That's really the biggest problem with Goodyear, most of their product lineup is just old. They trickle in a new tire here and there, but not at the pace of some other companies.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:47 PM   #16
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From what I read, I had got the impression that the Goodyear f1gsd3's were on par with the RE050s, maybe even better in the wet. And with a 240 tread wear, that beats the Bridgeston's 140 rating.

Problem is that you are falling into a trap that lots of consumers poorly do. The treadwear rating can NOT be measured across manufacturers. They only can be measured within THAT product manufacturer's lineup.

For instance, while the RE050A Pole Positions may have a 140 treadwear, people are finding that they are able to get 25k-40k miles out of those tires. Yet, even the RE01R's have a 140 treadwear and those are much stickier and tend to only last between 10K-25K miles (mileage of course varies for different drivers so you could find that you could get less or more depending on how you drive).

Example - My FK452's have a 280 treadwear, but I ONLY expect these to see about the 25K-40K mileage mark.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:14 PM   #17
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Yes. If I ever get new street tires for the STI, they will probably be GS-D3's. But I think that's the only GY tire anyone even considers. I had some sort of GY tire that came stock on the Mazda3 and they were horrible. Didn't grip well and were worn out in 30K miles.
....and THAT would be a HUGE mistake, IMHO

the sidewalls are too soft and unless it rains 90% of the time where you live(it don't )....there are MANY better choices as they are, REALLY, now getting to be 'old' technology

the RE050A PP( or even the FK 452) would be a MUCH better choice, I think
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:19 PM   #18
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Problem is that you are falling into a trap that lots of consumers poorly do. The treadwear rating can NOT be measured across manufacturers. They only can be measured within THAT product manufacturer's lineup.

For instance, while the RE050A Pole Positions may have a 140 treadwear, people are finding that they are able to get 25k-40k miles out of those tires. Yet, even the RE01R's have a 140 treadwear and those are much stickier and tend to only last between 10K-25K miles (mileage of course varies for different drivers so you could find that you could get less or more depending on how you drive).

Example - My FK452's have a 280 treadwear, but I ONLY expect these to see about the 25K-40K mileage mark.
I wasn't taking the rating as law, but a guideline... and I had thought I had read somewhere that the RE050APP only lasted about 10k-20k but I must have mixed that up with the RE01R's. DANG!!

Hmmm... and soft sidwalls... now that you mention it, yeah, I have thought on several occasions "gee the tires seems squishy... maybe I need more air". I daily drive with 38/37 psi because of it. If it ever cools to 36 or less, the wall feels like they keep rolling over... and that's only slightly spirited DD.

EDIT: I think my "sidewall rollover" is probably due to my worn slick outer edges at this point. Am having to run 38 psi pressures though.

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Old 10-31-2007, 05:58 PM   #19
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People hate goodyear because 90% of their product line is comparable to the RE-92 bridgestone. They have some good products, just stay away from 90% of them. Haha.
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:20 PM   #20
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Tires good new, bad after new. Make lots of noise, and don't last worth a darn.
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Viva la Pirelli, Yok, and Toyo!!!!
As chimchim5 asked, which model tire are you talking about? My F1GS-D3s cost pretty much the same as my Toyo T1-Ss that I had before them, and lasted just as long despite being used on track for 4 days (the Toyos never saw any track time). I never heard any noise from them at all. I got around 33k miles out of them, which I think is stellar for a summer tire. They would have lasted even longer, but I wore out the inner shoulders of the front tires with too much toe.

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....and THAT would be a HUGE mistake, IMHO

the sidewalls are too soft and unless it rains 90% of the time where you live(it don't )....there are MANY better choices as they are, REALLY, now getting to be 'old' technology
I've never been to another car forum where people obsessed over sidewall stiffness so much. Every tire discussion on this forum someone has to complain that the sidewalls of X tire are too soft. It's a worthless comment in my opinion. If your street driving is so ****ing extreme that the nanosecond of difference in steering response is the deciding factor in what tire to buy, then you drive like an ass clown. I just don't get it.

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the RE050A PP( or even the FK 452) would be a MUCH better choice, I think
I put FK452s on my CTS-V because every here seems to jizz about them. They're nice and all, but I certainly haven't been blown away by their performance.

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You, sir, jump right into the top 5 list of "Most Asinine Statements I've Seen on NASIOC." What about Japanese cars built in the US - do those still get "jap" tires? Cars built in Mexico? Canada? It's gotta be tough to keep your tire options straight if your tire selections have to be based on the nationality of the car manufacturer.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:12 PM   #21
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Yes. If I ever get new street tires for the STI, they will probably be GS-D3's. But I think that's the only GY tire anyone even considers. I had some sort of GY tire that came stock on the Mazda3 and they were horrible. Didn't grip well and were worn out in 30K miles.
I had my Goodyear GS-D3 after reading all the good reviews from all sources.
IMHO, they are the tires for driving in the "heavy rain". They are quiet tires
but very mushy if you push them more than my grand mom does.
Now I am running Falken FK-452 for daily driving. If I recall, the only thing I was happy with GS-D3 is
how it handles in the middle of heavy rain. For the rests, FK452 is the absolute winner not even mentioning about
they are being so much cheaper. If you dont have budget for RE-050, go for FK452.


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Old 11-01-2007, 11:19 AM   #22
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I'm on Goodyear F1 A/S tires now and I'm very happy with the performance, both wet and dry. I also have used the older F1 summer tires (F1 GS-D2), and they were pretty nice as well.
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I've never been to another car forum where people obsessed over sidewall stiffness so much. Every tire discussion on this forum someone has to complain that the sidewalls of X tire are too soft. It's a worthless comment in my opinion. If your street driving is so ****ing extreme that the nanosecond of difference in steering response is the deciding factor in what tire to buy, then you drive like an ass clown. I just don't get it.
Agreed. I would also go as far to say that if you haven't upgraded your suspension bushings/mounts to something higher than the Silly Puddy that is stock, sidewall flex should not be on your list of worries. There is so much excess movement it's not even funny. Well, actually it is. The second delay in reaction of the car is laughable. ...and to worry about small flex difference in tires.
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:10 PM   #24
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Not everybody. But some people do, including the more vocal ones here at NASIOC.

Just wondering, why the hate?

I may not be "vocal" but I did write a review in favor of them. Check out the "tire review" sticky, post # 2.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436103

That was 4 years ago, so I'm sure the GS-D3 is no longer the latest technology, but at the time it was an amazing tire for what it's designed to be. NOt an AutoX tire but a summer and esp. wet weather tire.

Soft side walls just mean a comfortable ride and quiet. Just what you need in a street tire.

The reason i've never bought a set of GY's since then is that for much less $$ you can get a tire built in Korea or Japan which will do 90% as well as the Goodyear (made in Germany).

But I agree 95% of their tires are made for Minivans. Considering how much they advertise on NASCAR etc, they don't really make a good R comp street tire. They do however make lots of "raised white letter" tires to give your Subie ( or El Camino) that "NASCAR" look.
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