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Old 11-04-2007, 09:26 AM   #1
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Default Building a dedicated track car FROM SCRATCH! DO NOT MENTION CARS YOU LIKE! CHRIST!

GOD DAMMIT! READ THE THREAD BEFORE RESPONDING ASSHATS!

PLEASE READ: I think some people are just reading the title, and ignoring what I'm saying in this thread. I do NOT want advice to 'build up a dedicated track car' around an existing car. While fun, that is not the point. I am a design student. I am considering doing a track car like the X-bow or Atom for my senior project, but obviously with less exotic materials/powerplant, etc. So please do NOT suggest cars you think would make 'good track cars', becauase right now, that is NOT what I am looking for. Please READ THE THREAD.

I'm a junior year industrial design student, and I'm already thinking about what I'm going to do for my senior project. Last night, I had a dream about building a track car, but on the cheap. Basically, in my dream it was taking either an 89 honda civic or 95-99 dodge neon, something dirt cheap, ripping out the drivetrain, suspsension, brakes, and whatnot, and building a tube-framed 2 person track car.... kinda like the Ariel Atom, or the X-bow, seen here:





I figure by trying to retain as many of the factory parts as possible, but 'adding lightness', and style, it would be a pretty fun car to drive. The question before I even spend anymore time on this, is what kind of car to drive. Obviously the big problem with both the neon and the civic is they're FWD. I suppose I could mount the engine sideways, and somehow use a different, rwd oriented transmission, but that would drive up cost/time quite a bit. So I was trying to think of other cheap cars that might work.... and I thought of my car, the Subaru SVX. It has a 3.3 liter flat six, and there was a FWD version, where the engine and transmission are one compact powerunit, with equal length axles. That sounds pretty ideal.... apart from the massive size of the engine. Anyway, if you know any other vehicles that have a compact drivetrain, please let me know. They have to be cheap, because I'm building this on a student budget. I do have access to a pretty decent shop to fabricate almost anything.... but yeah. I need to decide on the drivetrain before I move forward at all.

Thanks for your input!
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:30 AM   #2
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why not a crx or something and just mount the engine in the rear? You don't need to mount the motor longitudinally.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:37 AM   #3
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Old VW beetle platform FTW. RWD, air cooled, very simple, etc...
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:40 AM   #4
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use a busa motor
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:41 AM   #5
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:42 AM   #6
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Old VW beetle platform FTW. RWD, air cooled, very simple, etc...
+1....and with the right parts/carbs the engine will rev to the moon, and be super light wieght. Could be on a dune buggy style chassis, but lower and get the wieght distribution close to 50/50. Homemade tube frame, big brakes, cheap off the shelf coil overs, minimal bodywork needed, winshield cobbled from an old convertable at a bone yard.....could be fun!!!
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:45 AM   #7
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i modded dune buggy chassis does sound cool
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:49 AM   #8
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You could build the toy that I've been dreaming of for years:

Subaru Justy, gutted out completely, with an EJ series 2.5L (NA or turbo) mounted mid-engine in the hatch area, driving the rear wheels through either a FWD Subaru transmission or a Porsche box, 914 style. Plexi barrier behind the front seats. Air intake for the motor from a NACA duct in the side window. If you go turbo, a roof scoop feeding the intercooler. Use huge fender flares and put massive rubber under the back. Build your own inboard (cantilever) suspension using shock assemblies from the rear of the Yamaha R1, sourced for cheap on ebay and fully adjustable. Tube frame through the remnants of the unibody shell for rigidity and to provide all the mounting points.

Yep, that would rule.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:22 AM   #9
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Clarification: I am not going to use any existing car. I am not majoring in 'sweet car modz', I am majoring in design, thus I MUST design the car itself. I cannot gut a justy, because I did not design the Justy's exterior. Dig?

Thanks for the responses so far... I appreciate them. VW engines sound interesting, but I'm not sure how cheap I could get one. I can get a wrecked SVX for about $600 or so.
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why not a crx or something and just mount the engine in the rear? You don't need to mount the motor longitudinally.
Because I didn't design the CRX, so it wouldn't be my design. Again, I cannot modify an existing car into a track car, I have to design the car itself, that is my major.
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That is the opposite of cheap.
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OOoo... I didn't even think of that. That sounds like a great idea.... hrm. Going to look into that one, for sure.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:35 AM   #13
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Pick your performance envelope, get a chassis worked out, THEN start picking powertrains.

If you get the chassis right (got composites?), you might be surprised at how little powertrain you will need to hit a particular performance target.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:37 AM   #14
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:39 AM   #15
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Performance envelope: Cheap.
Chassis: Will be designed around the engine. I'm not sure if I want a longitudinally mounted engine/transmission, or a FWD layout moved to the rear.

So yeah, I kinda need a gameplan of what engine to use, then what chassis, and then I can start designing the whole car around that.
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Not a compact powerplant. At all.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:46 AM   #17
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Not a compact powerplant. At all.
They're cheap, RWD and already relatively light. How much more compact than an inline 4 do you want?
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That's a good choice also. Even lighter and easier to find in decent condition.
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They're cheap, RWD and already relatively light. How much more compact than an inline 4 do you want?

There's always the wankel option. I've always thought that a super 7 type car with a 13b twin turbo would be fairly sweet.
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There's always the wankel option. I've always thought that a super 7 type car with a 13b twin turbo would be fairly sweet.
http://www.geocities.com/phbura@amer...net/index.html

Pretty sweet even without the turbos, IMO.

Here's a TT car: http://www.mindspring.com/~robmk2/

My first thought upon reading the OP was a Locost. It's already been done, with so many different donor cars that it really takes out a lot of the experimentation, and the cost associated with that.
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There's always the wankel option. I've always thought that a super 7 type car with a 13b twin turbo would be fairly sweet.
The rotary is more compact and so is the boxer. But I don't think there's cheaper option than an inline 4. You could get them (the 240SX or Miata) at any wrecking yard for cheap. The boxer and the wankel is going to be a tougher animal to do on the cheap.
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They're cheap, RWD and already relatively light. How much more compact than an inline 4 do you want?
You obviously didn't read any of what I've written here.

1. Read what I wrote. I am not making a track car out of an existing car.

2. Reread 1.

3. Reread 1 and 2.

4. 240sx requires engine, transmission, a driveshaft, and then a differential. That's a lot more than a car like an older MR2, or a FWDSVX.

5. 240sxs are not cheap.
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Same problem. I want a COMPACT drivetrain unit. I do not want to have to pay a machine shop to make me a custom length driveshaft. I want the axles coming out the transmission.
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That's a good choice also. Even lighter and easier to find in decent condition.
The car can be wrecked, for all I care. I mainly want the drivetrain and misc bits off it.
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