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Old 11-11-2007, 08:50 PM   #1
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Forgive me if this has been previously discussed as I'm sure it has but . . .

I drive an 05 wrx. Thinking about a wider tire. Anyone running 225/50/16 on stock wrx wheels (6.5"w) notice excessive rolling onto the sidewall and sidewall wear? How does this size handle in cornering? Obviously different tires will vary but in general, how is it? I wouldn't mind a wider tire, but I hated how the stock re92 rolled like crazy. I don't want to get the wider tire and have that happen again because the wheel width isn't sufficient to sustain this tire width. I see people talking about autoxing on 225/50/16 so I'm thinking this size is good, but I don't know if most of those people are running on 7" wheel width.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:08 PM   #2
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Stock class autoxers run the 225/50s on stock 16x6.5" rims. However, R-tires are pretty stiff and it is common for people to run higher pressures than used for daily driving. They do look a bit odd too - they bulge out from the rim.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:15 PM   #3
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Sidewall roll-over depends on what tires you are running and tire pressure. If you are thinking about a higher performance tire most of them will have stiffer sidewalls than the RE-92's, so you can easily get away with a wider tire (IE 225/50R16) without having as much roll over. If you are still having a lot of tire roll over put a few more pounds of air in the front tires.

Another thing to try is max out the front negative camber when you get an alignment. That will help a lot.
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:43 PM   #4
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I was gonna do this too for AutoX, but then I found some used RS wheels 16x7.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:52 AM   #5
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Stock class autoxers run the 225/50s on stock 16x6.5" rims. However, R-tires are pretty stiff and it is common for people to run higher pressures than used for daily driving. They do look a bit odd too - they bulge out from the rim.
Hold on . . . . what are R-tires? radial?
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:43 AM   #6
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Hold on . . . . what are R-tires? radial?
R-compound, meaning super sticky race tires. Not your average street tire.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:10 AM   #7
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Totally depends on what tire you're planning on running...
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:15 AM   #8
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R-compound, meaning super sticky race tires. Not your average street tire.
oh ok
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:17 AM   #9
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Totally depends on what tire you're planning on running...
Yeah I understand that, as I said in my original post . . . nonetheless, a wider tire on that rim will ultimately be less stable (barring tire differences) therefore i was looking for opinions based on different tire applications of the 225 on the 6.5" width.

But thanks for your $0.02
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:42 AM   #10
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Yeah I understand that, as I said in my original post . . . nonetheless, a wider tire on that rim will ultimately be less stable (barring tire differences) therefore i was looking for opinions based on different tire applications of the 225 on the 6.5" width.

But thanks for your $0.02

You can't ask your question without that information.


How can we tell you "how it is" if we don't know the tire?

An RT615 in a 225 on a 6.5" wheel will be STIFFER than your OEM 205's, yet in general, a run of the mill all-season 225 will show significantly sloppier sidewall behavior at normal pressures than a comparable 205.

If you know it varies by tire, what information could we give you that will help you at all???

Depending on your tire choice, you're steering feel could be better OR worse than what you currently have...

If you are looking for someone to tell you that yes, a given tire in a 225 will be sloppier than the same tire in a 205 on a 6.5" rim...consider yourself told ....but something tells me something so obvious was not what you are looking for.

Gimmie back my .02.

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Old 11-12-2007, 11:02 AM   #11
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You can't ask your question without that information.


How can we tell you "how it is" if we don't know the tire?


If you know it varies by tire, what information could we give you that will help you at all???
Let me reiterate . . . . . "i was looking for opinions based on different tire applications of the 225 on the 6.5" width"

Do you know what "different tire applications" means?
i.e. Specific experiences people have had using that size on the stock wheel. Let me expand . . . specific experiences people have had at that size with the tire they chose to purchase. Is that hard to understand or are you just dense? Would you like me to break it down further?
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:14 AM   #12
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Let me reiterate . . . . . "i was looking for opinions based on different tire applications of the 225 on the 6.5" width"

Do you know what "different tire applications" means?
i.e. Specific experiences people have had using that size on the stock wheel. Let me expand . . . specific experiences people have had at that size with the tire they chose to purchase. Is that hard to understand or are you just dense? Would you like me to break it down further?
Can you narrow it at all for us dense people?

All season?

Summer?

Winter?

Competition?

Mud?

Blue Chip or a more budget priced tire? Price range perhaps?

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Old 11-12-2007, 11:25 AM   #13
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Can you narrow it at all for us dense people?

All season?

Summer?

Winter?

Competition?

Mud?

Blue Chip or a more budget priced tire? Price range perhaps?
Heh, read above . . . no one else had trouble discussing this topic.
How's this for narrowing it down . . . if it is so hard for you to discuss this topic, then don't discuss it.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:26 AM   #14
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And perhaps the more important question...

Unless you are going for the wider tire "look", why bother with a 225?

Will the .02 additional G's of lateral grip make driving the car any more fun? To the contrary, I think it's more fun to have the sharper handling tire on the street and a hair lower limit you can probe (not that you could feel the slight difference a 225 provides over a 205 without a back to back drive or extremely calibrated ass G meter...)

IMHO, for the street, I'm can't see how the grip difference between a 225 and a 205 is at all worth the added weight, sloppier turn in, and added cost of the same tire in a 205.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:28 AM   #15
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How's this for narrowing it down . . . if it is so hard for you to discuss this topic, then don't discuss it.
I was trying to help you make a decision...

Now you're just being a dick.

You want 3 pages of thread on the handling characteristics of an "R comp tire" when you don't EVEN KNOW WHAT AN R COMP IS???

Or how about 3 pages on summer-tires when you're looking to buy all seasons, or vice versa...

^^^Those would be a very useful threads for you...

See now how just a little bit of info from you would go a long way???

Yeah, I can see what help the first posts were to you...talking about types of tires that not only are inapplicable to you, but were so foreign, you didn't even know what they were. How is that a helpful to your quest?

Instead of helping us narrow the focus of your inquiry, you choose to be jerk...

And to think, no one told you to search yet...

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Old 11-12-2007, 11:37 AM   #16
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And perhaps the more important question...

Unless you are going for the wider tire "look", why bother with a 225?

Will the .02 additional G's of lateral grip make driving the car any more fun? To the contrary, I think it's more fun to have the sharper handling tire on the street and a hair lower limit you can probe (not that you could feel the slight difference a 225 provides over a 205 without a back to back drive or extremely calibrated ass G meter...)

IMHO, for the street, I'm can't see how the grip difference between a 225 and a 205 is at all worth the added weight, sloppier turn in, and added cost of the same tire in a 205.

Ok great . . . thats exactly the type of discussion I was looking for. Was that so hard?
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I guess we can use the 205 RE92's as your baseline?

Softer would refer to turn in and sidewall slop felt during said turn in.


225 RT615's: Stiffer than stock

225 RE050's (non-PP): Softer than stock...much better on a 7" wheel at 35+ psi though)

225 Fuzion HRi's: Softer than stock

225 MX's: About the same as stock at about 36 psi

225 RS2's: Sloppier than stock

That's all the 225 16" tires I've run on 6.5" wheels barring R comps.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:24 PM   #18
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yeah you could use the RE92 (which suck) but I've been using Nitto NT450 for a couple years now since i replaced the stockers. I was pleased with the improved performance over the re92s and so now that I'm going to be replacing soon I was thinking about going up a size. Trying to see if its worth it for everyday driving. Price isn't too much of an issue. In general I tend to like the all seasons because of their handling in rain, but summers aren't out of the question as i put snows on in the winter.
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Old 11-12-2007, 02:01 PM   #19
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In general I tend to like the all seasons because of their handling in rain, but summers aren't out of the question as i put snows on in the winter.
The majority of summer tires out there are superior in the rain to all-seasons. Only the likes of competition designed summer tires (615's, MX's, KD's, RS-2's) suffer in the rain.

Your average summer tire will be very strong in teh wet though.

Because you put winters on, consider just going with a summer tire.

Especially if you're considering a 225...

Most all seasons won't have the sidewall to allow you to comfortably run the 225 on the 6.5" wheel. Many summer tires will however.
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Old 11-12-2007, 02:28 PM   #20
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If price is not an issue and you really want to go with wider tires, a set of wider wheels is probably a good investment. Keep the stock wheels for winter.
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