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Old 11-17-2007, 08:00 PM   #1
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Default Do any other regions have problems with off/on site horsing?

I'm royally upset about this so pardon me if this comes accross as a rant.

In our region, we run 16 autox events a year with each "event" being a two day event (scored seperately though). Today, we had close to a record turnout for us (81, record is 92) I guess mainly because the Chicago region and tri-state council are done for the year and we got some avid enthusiasts to make the drive down for our last event of the year. We've gone all year with no real bad incidents until today...well, there was the the focus that rolled over at our first event but he was trying to be a hero, and that's another story.

One of the guys from Chicago who made it down decided that he was going to run time trials through a parking lot filled with cars on his (assumingly) new race tires like he was running the tarmac monte carlo rally, with constant 2nd & 3rd gear 4 wheel drifts around and through the parked cars of the AT&T building's parking lot that we must drive through to get to the restrooms. Now, this guy didn't just do one or two, it was almost a solid 5 mins of this "horse play" including a driver swap. I was event chairman for this event and as I and the SSS were walking the course one last time we heard and saw the first of many drifts. We both said, ok, we've got to talk to this guy. Well, after the obsurd display of power in a public parking lot/street the SSS and I both agreed that he's done, gone, and no refund. When approached, he wasn't upset, he understood and just claimed that he didn't know he couldn't do that. Some how I doubt this as a n00b doesn't show up with r-comps after a 3+ hr drive.

What makes me upset the most, is that it was an 04/05 WRB STi. I could see an Evo owner doing this , but not a subaru owner...we have more sense than that right??

He's on here, and will be receiving his own dedicated thread in our MWSOC but I'm just curious if other regions have a problem with this or not?
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:35 PM   #2
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Hey, (immature) Subie owners can be a**hats too, not just the (immature) Evo owners.

We've had one instance this year of speeding near an event site and that driver was banned from all future events and put on the blacklist of every local region to boot.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:43 PM   #3
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Luckily I never saw it at my old regions. However, most events I attended were at a race track so any behavior like this would have been quickly curtailed by security. In addition, our region was really good about talking to people that may have been pushing too hard on course in a dangerous manner.

However, the last autox I attended was in a school's parking lot. Didn't see a ton of irresponsible behavior but I did see a number of drivers hauling ass out of the parking lot. Sorry to hear about your bad run in. Hopefully, this was the first and only time you will see this behavior.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:52 PM   #4
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We don't have any issues like that in our region, of course ours is pretty small and it's the same bunch of people showing up for every event.

Any video of that Focus doing the rollover?
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:57 PM   #5
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No, but here's a picture. He had a passenger and both were fine. It happened at about 10mph, just too much grass and it tipped over, probably only at about 10mph. He kicked out the windehshield and drove it 200+ miles back to Iowa LOL!!

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Old 11-17-2007, 09:00 PM   #6
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One of the guys from Chicago who made it down decided that he was going to run time trials through a parking lot filled with cars on his (assumingly) new race tires like he was running the tarmac monte carlo rally...
next time make him "disappear" ala jimmy hoffa and part the car out to fund new club equipment
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Old 11-17-2007, 09:01 PM   #7
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I'm pretty sure that EVERY SINGLE drivers meeting I have ever attended had paddock and grid area speed limits or anti/axxhat rules spelled out.

If this was honestly the dude's 1st event, someone should've told him to stop immediately. It doesn't have to be anyone special, it can be anyone. Seeing as how he's got R compounds....he's most like done something like autocross before and should know better. I wouldn't let him enter any of the events....further, I'd go as far as to ban him from the premises of the event....ya know, since EVERYONE IS A PARTICPANT if they sign the waiver.

If your club/region lost that site because the owner happened to be watching.....I can imagine the heated heads would deal appropriate justice somewher down the road.

That's just me though.....
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Old 11-17-2007, 09:08 PM   #8
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Just because he has R-compounds doesn't mean he knows the rules. I rolled into my first event with Victoracers because my college roomy had been autoxing since he turned 16 and gave me some good advice. Luckily, I have common sense and wouldn't engage in stupid behavior at an event but not all people are endowed with the virtue of common sense.
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Old 11-17-2007, 09:13 PM   #9
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Poor STi.......will probably die a premature death by this douchebag.

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Old 11-18-2007, 05:42 PM   #10
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Is that a plane landing next to the focus? They let you run on an active airstrip?


We have some asshatery, but it's never anything overly serious before we put the kibosh on it.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:09 PM   #11
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I've seen similar, not so bad, and worse things happen like this one.

Bannination.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:24 PM   #12
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I've seen one 240SX driver who treated the autocross like it was a drift event take out several cone walls during his runs and be asked to not return.

Last month we had a couple of bikers show up to watch. They drove perhaps a bit quicker than our 5 mph speed limit out of the grid area.

There's always at least one moron out there.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:41 PM   #13
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I thought this was a thread about horses.

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Old 11-18-2007, 09:45 PM   #14
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I thought this was a thread about horses.

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Hehe.

You just reminded me of the Cape Cod Community College event back in either September or October 2005. This wasn't a participant, but we had an ex-employee of the college drive up in her minivan, ignore the people telling her to stop, go out on course through the finish line completely opposite flow and scare the crap out of all the workers. We had cars on course at the time, too. But hey, she didn't sign the waiver, so if she died, it wouldn't have been the club's fault, right? What a maroon.
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Old 11-18-2007, 10:05 PM   #15
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What makes me upset the most, is that it was an 04/05 WRB STi. I could see an Evo owner doing this , but not a subaru owner...we have more sense than that right??
Are you seriously upset that it was a Subaru? Last I checked Subaru ownership and being a moron were not mutually exclusive.

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However, the last autox I attended was in a school's parking lot.
Man, that must've been a slow event.

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Last month we had a couple of bikers show up to watch. They drove perhaps a bit quicker than our 5 mph speed limit out of the grid area.
That's probably something I've seen more than anything else - guys on bikes stopping to watch on the road next to whatever lot we're running on, and then winding it out thru the gears when they leave. It's almost like it's required by the Crotch Rocket Rider's Creed or something.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:22 AM   #16
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At our CA Spdwy CSCC events we very occasionally have someone do somthing not too smart ... donuts in a far corner of the paddock (another STI owner), etc. But our main problem are others that are in the CA Spdwy complex, speeding, doing smoke outs, "breaking into the go-kart areas porta potties," ... and us SCCA CSCC members unfairly getting blamed for it! For some reason they like to blame us, instead of the drag racers, NASCAR spectators, Go-karters, track day participants, etc?! We are totally parnoid about losing our fabulous lot ... so we are very vigilant about squirreling.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:25 AM   #17
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Off Topic, but I thought SureShot might like this shot from one of our Camarillo Airport AX's. We get to use one end of this very long runway ... while planes are both landing and taking off all at the same time!

Lots of neat planes using this airport ... plus planes picking up and dropping banners next to us! See pages 9 and 10 ...

http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/200...r-c/page9.html

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Old 11-19-2007, 08:05 AM   #18
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That's crazy! We have an airstrip that we use, but it's an abandoned military depot, so we don't have to worry about planes. Ever had any incidents where they plans had to do some sort of emergency "fun run" through the course?
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:19 AM   #19
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Hehe.

You just reminded me of the Cape Cod Community College event back in either September or October 2005. This wasn't a participant, but we had an ex-employee of the college drive up in her minivan, ignore the people telling her to stop, go out on course through the finish line completely opposite flow and scare the crap out of all the workers. We had cars on course at the time, too. But hey, she didn't sign the waiver, so if she died, it wouldn't have been the club's fault, right? What a maroon.
August 2005. I was there with the wife running in FS with the Baja.

I think that was an event with the most spectators we've ever seen at an event. And much of it was easy on the eyes.

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Old 11-19-2007, 09:03 AM   #20
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our region has a no BS policy too, if you're out f'ing about on the surrounding streets or in the paddock you're gone...no ands, ifs or buts
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August 2005. I was there with the wife running in FS with the Baja.

I think that was an event with the most spectators we've ever seen at an event. And much of it was easy on the eyes.

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I remember the Baja (and getting beat by a couple of seconds.) I think the lady was driving one of those old Civic tall wagons. She damn near did a left-to-left merge with a Factory Five Cobra.

Mako, did those Cessnas go off-course for that run? Any idea if your autocross gets thrown in the Notices to Airmen (NOTAMs?)
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In a somewhat related vain, we've had people "practicing" on roads used for performance rally's. When complaints come in from the locals we always ask them to describe the car so we can track down the cuplrit. Nine times out of ten they describe the car as an old beater GM or pickup truck, in other words not a member of the rally community, but some local kids or over-enthusiastic hunter.
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In a somewhat related vain, we've had people "practicing" on roads used for performance rally's. When complaints come in from the locals we always ask them to describe the car so we can track down the cuplrit. Nine times out of ten they describe the car as an old beater GM or pickup truck, in other words not a member of the rally community, but some local kids or over-enthusiastic hunter.
Could be a disguise covering their illegal recce.
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At an AX @ Hollywood Park (horse racing venue) we had a little kid on a bike come racing through the gate, past our Waiver person, onto our live course and then come to a screeching stop, on course of course ... just as a BMW was coming at him and freeze. Luckily the BMW was easily able to come to a stop in front of him. The kid then just took off ...

At a Dub Fest AX, a STI went over to the far side of the course and started to do smokey linked donuts. I sent the nearby CA Spdway ambulance over with an on-site security person to "STOP that Idiot!" Turns out he was the first contestant in their "Drift" Contest! And no one had told us that they would be using the left over area beyond our smaller then usual course, with no delineated separation security perimeter!

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Off Topic:

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Interesting question. I'll try to find out next time we're out there.

It's a VERY long runway. Probably mil spec ... it's close to Pt. Mugu Air Station. First there is a big section of the runway reserved for air traffic moving to some hangers behind us, then our Paddock area, Grid, long narrow Course, our safety buffer, then their long safety buffer covered in big yellow chevrons, then the active part of the runway. One literally can almost not see the far end of the runway! The planes fly over us pretty high when coming in for landing ... but occasionally you can tell someone comes in low to get a better view of us.
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