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Old 03-26-2012, 08:53 PM   #926
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so ive seen alot of talk about o ya 310 is enouf blah blah but are any of you actually "good" drivers have you ever raced anything like that sure you can driving for a while but unfortunately driving is counter intuitive so all the driving in the world is useless. im sure many people in here have sed this but i would take serious consideration into learning how to drive befor investing in more then a intake. also i mean sure its fun to just mash the throttle and go well fast but its in a straight line subaru's are about cornering and well everything including going fast so please take racing lessons befor you invest in mods a sti has enough power for an inexperienced driver look into maybe a skipbarber racing school or sumthing. basicly to sum things up in my opinion if you cant push your car to the limit in corners and well everywhere i would look into racing lessons cuz if you cant push your car to the limit well then all that 400 hp doesnt mean poop and you can easily get beat by someone with 310 who is a good driver
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Old 03-28-2012, 05:28 PM   #927
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so ive seen alot of talk about o ya 310 is enouf blah blah but are any of you actually "good" drivers have you ever raced anything like that sure you can driving for a while but unfortunately driving is counter intuitive so all the driving in the world is useless. im sure many people in here have sed this but i would take serious consideration into learning how to drive befor investing in more then a intake. also i mean sure its fun to just mash the throttle and go well fast but its in a straight line subaru's are about cornering and well everything including going fast so please take racing lessons befor you invest in mods a sti has enough power for an inexperienced driver look into maybe a skipbarber racing school or sumthing. basicly to sum things up in my opinion if you cant push your car to the limit in corners and well everywhere i would look into racing lessons cuz if you cant push your car to the limit well then all that 400 hp doesnt mean poop and you can easily get beat by someone with 310 who is a good driver
lolwat? No.

First, there are so many fallacies with this post, I don't even know where to start. The STI is a horrible platform to actually race. Don't believe me? Ask anyone who has actually done it. I know a few of them. Secondly, "racing lessons" mean exactly dick, just like the Skippy school means exactly dick. Skippy school is nothing more than a pass to an SCCA rookie license, it doesn't prove that you are more or less of a driver than the rookie parked in the car next to you. 400 or 310 hp means exactly dick, because a mid-pack Spec Miata or Spec-E30 will walk all over your ass with ~130whp, if that.

Second, if you could learn to type like a person and not a toddler on crack, it would benefit the rest of us greatly as we try to decipher what you wrote.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:27 PM   #928
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...and some people want to daily drive a "400+ whp" car- for what reason?
That power isnt needed especially here in suburban central/northern jersey lol
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:35 PM   #929
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That's actually all false. Believe me, I've watched fast and the furious.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:53 PM   #930
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You know, I read this a while ago and went "Pshh, I still want a 350+whp car. How fast can that be?"
That's while I was driving a TBE+tune 2.0L wrx.
Then I got the LGT with the same mods, considerably faster than the WRX, still going "yeah. I want that 350."
Then I went out with a friend who was logging in his EVO X that had dyno'd at 360/360 at the wheels. I swear in third gear right at peak torque that thing was on the verge of ripping all four tires loose. Or at least that's how it felt. That's when I realized how fast 300+whp would be in my lighter LGT. The 245whp it has now is enough to make me smile, but damn.
For those that haven't experienced it, 360whp in an AWD car is a hell of a fast car.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:27 PM   #931
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DAMN good thread. Vote for sticky in deed.
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:29 AM   #932
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Interesting thread...

Coming from someone who owned a 547whp TT 300ZX, I will eventually mod my car to the point that I am happy with. May be 400awhp, maybe 320awhp. Kinda like my Z, I'll know when I get there... lol

With that said, good info in this thread and lots of truth. Most people don't really understand what that kinda power can do.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:35 AM   #933
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You know, I read this a while ago and went "Pshh, I still want a 350+whp car. How fast can that be?"
That's while I was driving a TBE+tune 2.0L wrx.
Then I got the LGT with the same mods, considerably faster than the WRX, still going "yeah. I want that 350."
Then I went out with a friend who was logging in his EVO X that had dyno'd at 360/360 at the wheels. I swear in third gear right at peak torque that thing was on the verge of ripping all four tires loose. Or at least that's how it felt. That's when I realized how fast 300+whp would be in my lighter LGT. The 245whp it has now is enough to make me smile, but damn.
For those that haven't experienced it, 360whp in an AWD car is a hell of a fast car.
^This. My power numbers in my sig are on a mustang dyno, and i can say, especially for a daily, it's plenty fast and more than enough to pucker the starfish. like he said, 300 horse in an awd car is FAST
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:51 AM   #934
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good write up
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:18 AM   #935
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Enjoyable thread and funny stories along the way!
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Old 04-30-2012, 04:53 PM   #936
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Wow great write up!
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:12 PM   #937
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Old 05-11-2012, 12:58 AM   #938
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Here's the story of my cars: I borrowed various cars from my parents throughout high school (all had less than 150HP), but didn't buy my first car on my own until spring of 2006. It was a 1999 Honda Accord LX. It had a 2.3L, 4 cylinder engine, and a 5 speed. It was rated at 150HP and 152TQ. I kept it stock except for some wheels and an eBay intake.

The Honda was a great car and I kept it until fall of 2010 when I got my 2011 WRX. I sold the Honda and then quickly got caught up in modding my WRX. I had never done anything with cars other than changing oil and wheels, but a year and a half later I now have a 462WHP/492WTQ car that was all wrenched in my garage!

Today I found an old video I had made of the Honda and compared it to a more recent video of the WRX. There is quite a difference!


1999 Honda Accord: 50-100mph: 15.6 seconds
- 150HP / 152TQ Rated
- 2.3L I4 (Stock)
- 5 Speed Transmission
- Video from March 2007

2011 Subaru WRX: 50-100mph: 4.4 seconds
- 462WHP / 492 WTQ
- Blouch 20G XT-R Turbo
- E85 - Built Motor - FMIC - EWG
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Old 05-11-2012, 01:05 AM   #939
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terrific.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:12 AM   #940
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lmao i want 500 whp.......jk jk jk talkin ish but some people don't learn until it happens to them you know
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:20 PM   #941
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Great OP, but the comments that read something like "yeah, those idiots don't need that horsepower. It's all about having fun. I am having plenty of fun with stage 2." make me cringe. I agree that this is about safety first, but we are on an enthusiast website for christ's sake! Why get 400hp? Because it floats your boat (i.e. subaru). Don't slam someone with a 240hp stock STI, they are tons of fun! That said, please refrain from slamming the enthusiasts that have put tons of time and $$ into their cars to reach their goal of the fabled 400+. That's pretty fun too

Just for a footnote, I bought a WRX and loved it. Made the mistake of driving a STI, and of course I was hooked. Some idiot in a SUV ran a stop sign and totaled my stock STI. I tried to get by on a Legacy GT for a while, but couldn't do it. Now I am rolling another STI with a built motor...etc...etc. I figure when this one gives up the ghost, I'll move on again. Onward and upward. It's what being an enthusiast is all about for me, but each to their own. Great OP, though. Safety first. Oh, and the obligatory dancing banana with the tophat:
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:10 PM   #942
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Here's the story of my cars: I borrowed various cars from my parents throughout high school (all had less than 150HP), but didn't buy my first car on my own until spring of 2006. It was a 1999 Honda Accord LX. It had a 2.3L, 4 cylinder engine, and a 5 speed. It was rated at 150HP and 152TQ. I kept it stock except for some wheels and an eBay intake.

The Honda was a great car and I kept it until fall of 2010 when I got my 2011 WRX. I sold the Honda and then quickly got caught up in modding my WRX. I had never done anything with cars other than changing oil and wheels, but a year and a half later I now have a 462WHP/492WTQ car that was all wrenched in my garage!

Today I found an old video I had made of the Honda and compared it to a more recent video of the WRX. There is quite a difference!

1999 Honda Accord (150HP) vs. 2011 WRX (460WHP): 20-100mph Roll - YouTube

1999 Honda Accord: 50-100mph: 15.6 seconds
- 150HP / 152TQ Rated
- 2.3L I4 (Stock)
- 5 Speed Transmission
- Video from March 2007

2011 Subaru WRX: 50-100mph: 4.4 seconds
- 462WHP / 492 WTQ
- Blouch 20G XT-R Turbo
- E85 - Built Motor - FMIC - EWG
- Invidia Catless Downpipe
- Stock Cat Back Exhaust
- Video from March 2012

this is awesome
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:53 PM   #943
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yes good write-up. 400 hp does need deep pockets and a LOT of know how
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:29 AM   #944
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I remember the first time I saw my old timer Evo 9 touching the 400s reliably on 93 OCT.

It was just the best experience ever!

This thread is totally true..... I believe that for a reliable (true) 400 WHP it is best to have a built motor and a very good tune for repeatability.

My goal on my 11 STI is just that... 400 WHP. LOL
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:08 PM   #945
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wow, dave.

you have come so far!

the only thing i have to add is that folks don't seem to respect the journey anymore.

what i mean by that is you should ENJOY the modding process... it's not all about the "destination" of having a really fast car.

taking little steps towards your goal after working diligently is ultimately so much more rewarding than blowing your load right up front. anybody can toss stupid amounts of money at any problem and solve it with a "sledgehammer" approach, but only the dedicated and ingenious solve things cheaply yet with elegance.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I absolutely agree with you, anybody can take their car to a shop and throw big money at it. Who can mod it the most efficiently. You also gain a sense of satisfaction and achievment when you put effort and wrench on your own car.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:52 PM   #946
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Spend the money and take a defensive driving coarse. They are a lot of fun place your insurance company will love to see that.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:47 AM   #947
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This is probably a good common sense for a lot of the younger guys to take heed to. Though, when I was younger it didn't matter much. So whatever.

Having come from the RWD world and having two built Mustangs, each over 400+ RWHP, is no real big deal and riding in other's cars that the front end comes up off the ground is invigorating to say the least. However, the first time I rode in my friend Jason's 04 STi w/just a 20G, FMIC, etc with approx. 335whp. I had the living sh(t scared out of me for the first time in a car.

The following Summer (and some in the CT area might recall this) a car load of kids (ages 16-19) in a bone stock WRX wrapped the car around a telephone pole....ironically next to a cemetary in Bristol, CT...two days later another WRX with two guys (mid twenties) took a corner too fast in Waterbury (iirc) and basically you couldn't distinguish the WRX from the font end loader it plastered itself against. That car was MAYBE a cobb stage 2.

Those three incidents were convincing enough to tell me I do NOT have the wherewithal or experience under my belt, which is roughly 10 years with high performance vehicles. As of right now, I have a 6spd swap underway in my WRX coupled with a built motor and a VF22 (w/supporting mods). And the ONLY reason for the 6spd is because after 300+k miles on the stock 5MT third gear finally gave up and punched out.

After roughly a year with the built motor and VF22 I consciously said "OK, I'm ready for more". Even still getting in other people's cars to see if I still wanted to make that leap passed 300hp/tq.

I personally think there should be an addition of personal cost added to the OP.

-Traffic tickets: With 400+whp it's just a forgone conclusion YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM

-Attention: And not the good kind either. That open exhaust will undoubtedly piss off neighbors, attract the "hipster/flat brim I gotta cold air intake and I can race" kind of crowd. Trust me, after going through 5 rear bumpers for brake checking them...it something to consider...I carry my .45 in my car now for that reason.

-Safety, Safety, and SAFETY: For the love of god...freeways, parkways, highways, biways, driveways are NOT places to f**k around. And a 400+whp will get you in a whole heap of trouble VERY quick, and that AWD will not save your ass; I don't care what modifications you have.


I think the ABSOLUTE best mod for ANY car pushing through the 280-300whp range is a beater car. Leave the beast at home when making the commute to school, work or chasing the tail. You'll save yourself money, trouble, anxiety and more importantly your life. Get HonDUH civic DX, Ford Focus, Chevy Aveo, or a friggin Prius for cryin out loud. Then you can go ballin and be like "yeah, I gotz two cars!".

my $.02
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:39 AM   #948
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So what kind of power is a stock 2011 or newer WRX STi putting to the wheels? I know they advertise the vehicle at 305 HP, but what does that mean exactly? How much of that is "get up and GO" power?
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:15 PM   #949
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I feel like I have these discussions all the time in our local VW forum and on VWVortex and I really wanted to see it from the Subaru side. I'm looking at selling my 308whp /301 wtq MKIV (343whp on 100 octane) Jetta and getting into a new WRX / STi.

I've been modded since I bought my '03 Jetta new. first it was a flash and a 50 shot (234whp), then it was a 28rs and APR's S3+ kit (308/301 daily). I've gotten 70k miles on the turbo kit and 100k on the car. Now that I can look back on the whole process I can say the smartest thing I've done was buying a beater. I've put 25k miles on my 95 Civic DX since I bought it 2 yrs ago. It's also been about 2 years since I got my last speeding ticket.

Ideally I'd have 400whp from a built bottom end STi to drive daily but that's not reasonable after doing something similar with the VW. I'm going for bolt-ons and tune in something that would be fun to drive but less of a headache than my VW. Now that I'm coming up on a lot of maintenance It's time to move on. 300whp is a lot of fun but the strain on stock parts over the period that I've owned the car really taught me a lot. Motor mounts, brakes, intercoolers, LSD's, transmission swaps, different clutches, and etc. The car's had a lot of downtime.

There's a lot of good commentary in this thread. I hope that if / when I get my WRX or Sti I can look back on what I said and try and be reasonable about my goals. Knowing myself I'll probably hang on to the beater for a while though... just in case.



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This is probably a good common sense for a lot of the younger guys to take heed to. Though, when I was younger it didn't matter much. So whatever.

Having come from the RWD world and having two built Mustangs, each over 400+ RWHP, is no real big deal and riding in other's cars that the front end comes up off the ground is invigorating to say the least. However, the first time I rode in my friend Jason's 04 STi w/just a 20G, FMIC, etc with approx. 335whp. I had the living sh(t scared out of me for the first time in a car.

The following Summer (and some in the CT area might recall this) a car load of kids (ages 16-19) in a bone stock WRX wrapped the car around a telephone pole....ironically next to a cemetary in Bristol, CT...two days later another WRX with two guys (mid twenties) took a corner too fast in Waterbury (iirc) and basically you couldn't distinguish the WRX from the font end loader it plastered itself against. That car was MAYBE a cobb stage 2.

Those three incidents were convincing enough to tell me I do NOT have the wherewithal or experience under my belt, which is roughly 10 years with high performance vehicles. As of right now, I have a 6spd swap underway in my WRX coupled with a built motor and a VF22 (w/supporting mods). And the ONLY reason for the 6spd is because after 300+k miles on the stock 5MT third gear finally gave up and punched out.

After roughly a year with the built motor and VF22 I consciously said "OK, I'm ready for more". Even still getting in other people's cars to see if I still wanted to make that leap passed 300hp/tq.

I personally think there should be an addition of personal cost added to the OP.

-Traffic tickets: With 400+whp it's just a forgone conclusion YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM

-Attention: And not the good kind either. That open exhaust will undoubtedly piss off neighbors, attract the "hipster/flat brim I gotta cold air intake and I can race" kind of crowd. Trust me, after going through 5 rear bumpers for brake checking them...it something to consider...I carry my .45 in my car now for that reason.

-Safety, Safety, and SAFETY: For the love of god...freeways, parkways, highways, biways, driveways are NOT places to f**k around. And a 400+whp will get you in a whole heap of trouble VERY quick, and that AWD will not save your ass; I don't care what modifications you have.


I think the ABSOLUTE best mod for ANY car pushing through the 280-300whp range is a beater car. Leave the beast at home when making the commute to school, work or chasing the tail. You'll save yourself money, trouble, anxiety and more importantly your life. Get HonDUH civic DX, Ford Focus, Chevy Aveo, or a friggin Prius for cryin out loud. Then you can go ballin and be like "yeah, I gotz two cars!".

my $.02
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:16 PM   #950
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I've been modded since I bought my '03 Jetta new. first it was a flash and a 50 shot (234whp), then it was a 28rs and APR's S3+ kit (308/301 daily). I've gotten 70k miles on the turbo kit and 100k on the car. Now that I can look back on the whole process I can say the smartest thing I've done was buying a beater. I've put 25k miles on my 95 Civic DX since I bought it 2 yrs ago. It's also been about 2 years since I got my last speeding ticket.

Ideally I'd have 400whp from a built bottom end STi to drive daily but that's not reasonable after doing something similar with the VW. I'm going for bolt-ons and tune in something that would be fun to drive but less of a headache than my VW. Now that I'm coming up on a lot of maintenance It's time to move on. 300whp is a lot of fun but the strain on stock parts over the period that I've owned the car really taught me a lot. Motor mounts, brakes, intercoolers, LSD's, transmission swaps, different clutches, and etc. The car's had a lot of downtime.
That's a lot of miles on that turbo kit! But I'm with ya on the down time. I definitely agree that having a beater car is a must, but I disagree about the speeding tickets. Maybe it's just me, but once I hit over 400whp I actually drove slower. At that point, I had nothing to prove. I could blow most cars away. It was weird, but having it and using it sparingly was more fun than when I was stage two and drove like a bat out of hell everywhere.
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