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Old 12-30-2012, 11:48 AM   #1026
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i really like this post. i recently got away from my strange OBS obsession and upgraded to an 04 wrx wagon. ive got the slightly ambitious goal of 400whp on the 2.0 possibly more if i can swing it. but ive had too much time behind the wheel of many different high powered FWD and RWD cars to underestimate a subaru. i consider myself a fairly experienced driver but when i first drove a subaru it was an automatic 97 OBS and the entire FEEL of the car is different. The AWD is a whole new animal to those like me used to older muscle cars and american vehicles in general. yes im shooting for 400+ at the wheels but my biggest goal is to do it slowly enough to continue to get used to how a subie drives. by the time i get to 400 i want to have gone through a large range of power levels in my car. and to anyone who even has experience with the FWD and RWD high powered vehicles i recommend doing the same in an import.
Reliable 400+whp, on a Subaru is almost like masochism. My project is turning into a :facepalm: "why did I try this?" kind of endeavor. In addition to what Davenow said, you have to have an illogical love for Subarus in the first place to want that much power. I would imagine that the easiest...might be the EG33/EZ33 custom build I've seen people do for a 400whp car, but again, cost overruns with Subarus are common for that high of a power goal. Other parts of the tuner world just way "why not get a SRT-4? $2k and you have 450hp." Yeah, well, it's still a Neon, and my thing is it still a bitch car like a Jetta or Civic. ...and we all know how people like their sex that drive Jettas...heh

If you have experience with high horsepower vehicles, and the respect for them then just go straight to the easiest, also expensive way: Built hybrid motor, Hydra EMS, Rotated Garrett or Borg Warner from Full Race, 1000+cc injectors, duel fuel pumps, STi 6spd conversion, and Speed Density from Cobb. you're looking at around $20k realistically with all the parts, labor and tuning. You have an easy 500hp car.

The main ingredients for any 2.0l Subie (02-05wrx UDSM variety):
-Built hybrid short block with cams
-STi 6spd conversion ....a built 5MT gearbox is a waste of $$ imho
-at least a 255-300lph fuel pump
-850-1000cc injectors
-something above a Blouch Dom 3.0
-headers and an open exhuast
-3+" intake/inlet
a few other things here and there, then you have 400whp...maybe. Depends on the dyno and tuner and if you're using pump gas/E85/Meth.
My thought is unless you have Race gas (100+OCT), willing to do a Water/meth injection system, or E85 readily available, anything over 350-390whp is a waste of time. I use all of this based on how a Mustang Dyno (heart breaker) will read hp and tq. -which most people will say is a true reading dyno...debatable though.

Other's have different thoughts and opinions. Mine comes from at length discussions with my tuner (EFI Logics/Cobb) specifically on my 02 WRX about about this.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:15 PM   #1027
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+1 except I don't categorize the jetta as bitch cars lol. I see a lot more jettas that artist look good and make decent power than I do civics and srt4s. But I do hate how it's so hard to make power out of subarus safely. My brothers 5.0 has nothing but a bolt on Paxton kit (6000 for kit and labor) and it made 560 or something on a dyno jet. And people have been running these kits for years without problems. If I could afford it I d buy one but I'd never sell the Subaru for one because it's not practical for the daily commute I do and the stuff I Carry for work.

Bottom line is that I think Subaru should have used better internals!!! No performance car should have weak internals. I just don't understand why they would'nt upgrade them, Especially in the Sti. Anyways I'm done ranting, carry on.

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Old 01-02-2013, 01:12 AM   #1028
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This thread has been an excellent read, and has caused me much amusement as I think about my (maybe) 200whp, 3600lb wagon... that's had enough power for every emergency lane change (and sprint back up to speed) or dash across traffic I've asked it to make.

Not that I don't daydream about a supercharged H6 and 6mt swap, mind you.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:22 PM   #1029
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Yeah it's definitely a long, hard road to 400whp :/

I'm about to try and bring my 335whp closer to 400 with my next tune (broken motor on that dyno run). Honestly, though, even 335whp is LOTS of fun on the street
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:33 PM   #1030
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and don't forget to throw in a new clutch and flywheel with anything over stage 1 power.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:56 PM   #1031
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and don't forget to throw in a new clutch and flywheel with anything over stage 1 power.
Clutch & flywheel are entirely unnecessary for a simple stage 2 car.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:41 AM   #1032
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I only plan on adding more power when I get bored wiht my car... 300+ is a lot of power when your in the twisties... Great write up!
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:06 PM   #1033
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Thanks for the wisdom.
I'm looking for a stock '02-'05 WRX
Must be White with Black interior.
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:32 AM   #1034
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Being addicted to speed sure does suck. Lol. All that money for only 400 awhp. For the normal driver that may be scary, but not for us riders. After being on a 430 lb machine that's pushing 180 horsepower, we can't even get excited unless we're in a 1000+ horsepower Trans Am or Supra. Of course there is wheel spin to account for but the right amount of power in an AWD Rex for us is closer to 800 awhp. Now we're talking ungodly bills lol.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:15 AM   #1035
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Clutch & flywheel are entirely unnecessary for a simple stage 2 car.
So why did my 2009 modified stage 2 wrx with 52,xxx miles clutch fail when I know how to drive stick?
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Old 01-14-2013, 11:43 AM   #1036
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Being addicted to speed sure does suck. Lol. All that money for only 400 awhp. For the normal driver that may be scary, but not for us riders. After being on a 430 lb machine that's pushing 180 horsepower, we can't even get excited unless we're in a 1000+ horsepower Trans Am or Supra. Of course there is wheel spin to account for but the right amount of power in an AWD Rex for us is closer to 800 awhp. Now we're talking ungodly bills lol.
Amen. Gutted BMW s1000rr FTW!
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:01 PM   #1037
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Amen. Gutted BMW s1000rr FTW!
Nice! I'd love to have a Beamer for a track bike. My current setup is a stretched, strapped, and turbocharged CBR 1000RR with a 75 shot. 8.74 @ 171 mph is all I've been able to squeeze out of her.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:33 PM   #1038
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So why did my 2009 modified stage 2 wrx with 52,xxx miles clutch fail when I know how to drive stick?
ummm this is why "stage xx" is confusing...it means different things to different people?

Several answers:

A) manufacture defect
B) everyone lies and maybe you can't drive stick all that well
C) Install was not done right
D) **** happens
E) Albeit the odds are extremely slim, a "Stage 2" car can burn a clutch out depending on how much "shock" load is being pushed to the gear box from the engine. Shock load is what kills a clutch. I've seen 400whp cars run around on clutches rated for waaaaay under that. But they don't last long. I've also seen an entirely stock car burn out a kevlar 6 solid puck clutch because the driver was always slamming through gears.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:43 AM   #1039
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So why did my 2009 modified stage 2 wrx with 52,xxx miles clutch fail when I know how to drive stick?
That's pretty impressive, bro. The average female whose prior transportation was a bicycle would take at least twice as many miles to pull that off.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:35 AM   #1040
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Nice! I'd love to have a Beamer for a track bike. My current setup is a stretched, strapped, and turbocharged CBR 1000RR with a 75 shot. 8.74 @ 171 mph is all I've been able to squeeze out of her.

Anyone can go fast in a straight line. Get on the track brother! Plus i ran a 9.38 on slicks with the bimmer! Only lightly modified
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Old 01-22-2013, 12:39 AM   #1041
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I wonder how easy it is to build up the newer 2013 STi's vs the older ones (2007-2011) and what the price difference is between modding the different generations?

Personally, after thinking about this for a while, I'm not really into the idea of dumping thousands upon thousands of $$$ into making my car super fast. I think to start I'll just do the bare basics (Tune/Exhaust/Etc) and go from there. Just little bits at a time.

I would imagine I'll notice a difference right away once I get the turboback exhaust and tune done. I'm not expecting a world of difference, but I anticipate a nice smile on my face.

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Old 01-25-2013, 03:07 PM   #1042
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great info, really makes ya think where you want your car to end up
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:28 AM   #1043
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Great information on this thread.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:29 AM   #1044
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I believe that my interest in the subie is a semi romantic, nostalgic awe of the wrc sti. The rumbling sound of what could be mistaken by an untrained ear as a vw bug on steroids makes me smile. The feeling of my car sliding around corners spraying gravel in all directions is absolutely exhilarating! The feel of peak boost slamming you back in your seat (not my car heh), The gc8 scoop and hood vents are classic. A passion one could call it, a love affair my wife tells me.

However, I also understand that if i put the kind of money in my subie it would take to track my car (400 WHP woohoo!!) I will still be at a disadvantage. And driving on dirt would get crazy I think. Because my entire engine is in front of my front axles. Not to mention start getting more turbo lag from larger turbos made for top end. Now Im not sure how much the AWD makes up for that, but to make the rest of the car compensate for it tires suspension more hp etc starts to look like a poor platform for extreme performance. spend a hundred grand on beefing a subie, and will it smoke a Ferrari? just buy a Ferrari for a hundred grand on eBay hehe . Plus you can still mod a Ferrari from its base platform.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferra...t_12668wt_1165

Now im not sure if the Ferrari is the best example but I know there are better platforms for all out performance.

heh i just did a buncha reading and the FERRARI 360 SPIDER F1is supposedly 400bhp in 3000 lb car from factory with no turbo

I love my subie and its beat from rallying every chance I get. Wont trade it for nothin. Swapped 98l automatic open diff 4 door with mostly 06 wrx suspention and brakes(sti springs and legacy gt 4.11 r160 lsd, legacy outback 4.11 5 speed) and working on last few parts for 04 sti engine 05 sti trans 180 swap. Still will be drivable street or dirt. And way cheaper than a Ferrari.

Now Im rambling sorry. Love subie, but if the goal is max power and performance shouldn't it start with better platform?

Sorry if it sounds like im hating, im not. but if i chose to spend 100k on my subie or by a ferrari id buy another house

Just for record i know you can get more than 400whp for 100k in a subie

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Old 02-09-2013, 12:48 PM   #1045
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great thread. I am a newbie subie, lol, and would like to play out my decision to get the WRX over the STI and the decision to NOT go for more/max power.

First off, this IS my first performance car, even if it is just a WRX. And although I could afford it, I chose to go with the WRX for a few reasons:

1) Im no professional driver, and would not be able to use the STI to its fullest extent without risking a crash or some crazy junk

2) WRX is STI ready, so if i DO ever want to go STI, which would be 5-10 years down the road, i could throw an STI into my WRX no prob (2013 5door), or just trade in.

3) I would only add power if I could use it all, lol, whats the point of having 400whp if Im forced to run low in all my gears. BASICALLY if I had that much power, i would certainly be doing track or rally comps, or SOMETHING that would put my money and power to good use.

REGARDLESS i bought the WRX so I could do all these things if and when i want to, which i do, once i pay off the car and have a steady job with lots of cash :P
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:58 PM   #1046
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great thread. I am a newbie subie, lol, and would like to play out my decision to get the WRX over the STI and the decision to NOT go for more/max power.

First off, this IS my first performance car, even if it is just a WRX. And although I could afford it, I chose to go with the WRX for a few reasons:

1) Im no professional driver, and would not be able to use the STI to its fullest extent without risking a crash or some crazy junk

2) WRX is STI ready, so if i DO ever want to go STI, which would be 5-10 years down the road, i could throw an STI into my WRX no prob (2013 5door), or just trade in.

3) I would only add power if I could use it all, lol, whats the point of having 400whp if Im forced to run low in all my gears. BASICALLY if I had that much power, i would certainly be doing track or rally comps, or SOMETHING that would put my money and power to good use.

REGARDLESS i bought the WRX so I could do all these things if and when i want to, which i do, once i pay off the car and have a steady job with lots of cash :P
Way to do it! Smart to pay off the car first! Know tons of people who have fast WRX/STI and Total there car and don't get all there money back. they have to sell all there parts to pay back the loan!
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Being addicted to speed sure does suck. Lol. All that money for only 400 awhp. For the normal driver that may be scary, but not for us riders. After being on a 430 lb machine that's pushing 180 horsepower, we can't even get excited unless we're in a 1000+ horsepower Trans Am or Supra. Of course there is wheel spin to account for but the right amount of power in an AWD Rex for us is closer to 800 awhp. Now we're talking ungodly bills lol.
Even in my RR at 140hp...I'll never have a car that does 60 in almost 3 seconds with the front end up.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:47 AM   #1048
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REGARDLESS i bought the WRX so I could do all these things if and when i want to, which i do, once i pay off the car and have a steady job with lots of cash :P
Same exact reason I got a WRX. The STI is only a little down the road but in the meantime its better than that corolla that's for sure. I have a feeling once I get an STI I'm gonna catch a case of the mod bug. And my pockets aren't that deep right now.
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Thanks, this was extremely helpful!
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Old 02-26-2013, 06:47 PM   #1050
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I am a "Scuby Nuby" lol,... although not new to modding vehicles...Im primarily a Jeep enthusiast but after I sold my 350z and my bike, I was left missing the road and its twisties.

I read this entire string and loved it. Great info. HOWEVER, after owning my new WRX for several months now, (and nearing completion of my mod research), my answer is YES, I would like 400+ HP lol. Definitely.
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