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Old 12-06-2007, 01:24 AM   #126
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obviously i dont have a bazillion posts like some *ahem, you*

and what does that have to do with the hope that at least some ppl could learn a few things from this thread.
....the VAST majority of new n00000bs are kiddie....and therefore do not read.....and therefor will not learn from this thread because that wouldn't be koo.

They just post new stupid bull**** and whine and cry and when they don't get validated on their cake and circus....

Ya dig????
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:24 AM   #127
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Good read here

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Old 12-08-2007, 01:00 AM   #128
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So if you don't think Tein makes a decent suspension what would recomend I get. I'm only asking cuz I'm trying to upgrade my suspension (Coilovers/swaybars) send me a pm or something

TEIN most definately makes a good suspension.

Best street car coilovers out there. I have had many different coilovers, and drove cars with even more over the last 5 years here on Nasioc (this isnt my original screen name). Nothing rides as well while providing huge handling gains like TEIN.
Stay away from the cheap knock offs. I sell Megans and such, but I try to push people away. If they dont want to spend the money on decent coilovers, they are better off doing a good spring/strut combo.
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Old 12-08-2007, 03:04 PM   #129
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thanks for the advice man, some people are tryin to tell me that teins are over rated and I'm looking to start my upgrades with coilovers, sway bars, brake calipers,pads, and brake lines. just looking for recomendations
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:17 PM   #130
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basically the thing is that coilovers are not the best idea for a street car. So if you are going to do it, do it with units that are proven to hold up to daily use and ride nicely.
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Old 12-08-2007, 05:51 PM   #131
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700whp SRT10 feels slow(not as fast as it used to) to me now.
I guess it's all relative.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:00 PM   #132
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+1 to that.

My 309whp 02 WRX felt slow to me, my 05 STI with probably about 375@the crank felt slow, and my FXT, which runs 12.8@109.7 (with a bad tune and poor driving) feels slow to me.

You get used to the power, and it gets boring quick. The idea is that you get used to driving the car at more and more power instead of jumping right into too much power.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:16 PM   #133
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...I still get a kick outa driving my stock turbo '06 .....would I put a GT30 on it??

HELL no.

Would I put an 18g or 20g on it????

HELL YES.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:34 PM   #134
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...I still get a kick outa driving my stock turbo '06 .....would I put a GT30 on it??

HELL no.

Would I put an 18g or 20g on it????

HELL YES.
Theres a lot to be said for insta-spool
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:04 AM   #135
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So would anyone recomend teins for everyday use?
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:07 AM   #136
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If you are going to run coilovers on the street, they are the ONLY ones I would even consider.

For street a nice spring/strut/swaybar setup is typically the best way to go, but many people find the limitations (based on choice of spring rates/ride heights etc) too much to deal with and go to coilovers to get exactly the ride height they want with exactly the spring rates they want.
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:10 AM   #137
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That's what I was planning on starting with, is there anything I should take into consideration when deciding on swaybars?
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Old 12-09-2007, 04:12 AM   #138
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Try to keep the front either even with or slightly larger than the rear.

I hear defiant has good whiteline prices I bet he would recommend a 24mm adjustable front and 22mm adjustable rear.
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:54 AM   #139
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What about a 27mm rear Nonadj?
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:46 AM   #140
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I think the guys that are considering coilovers and big ass bars should read this first:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1279944
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:00 PM   #141
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You can read math and theory

Or you can talk to people who have actually done it.



Call me crazy but IMHO real world experience trumps ideas and math.
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:36 PM   #142
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That was an awesome post. I'm 18 so I could easily be the person you're targeting but I don't understand the purpose of 400whp or even 300whp when most people I know just drive them around town. I hope people read this and it changed their minds
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:36 PM   #143
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Thats all a matter of how well you manage your funds EL. LOL I still owe like $29,000K or 6 years at $572 however you want to look at it but have recently dropped over $10,000+ in upgrades into my car(including a AXIS Satge 3 built block only think left on the damn OEM is the heads) and did my 3 year planned mods in one shot after blowing 2 OEM STI engines in 7 months.
Just to make sure you have done the math:
72 months * 572 = ~42,000

This means you are paying something to the tune of 12.335% interest on your loan. Over six years, that is ~$11,900 in interest.

Now, had you spent 10k on the payment instead of mods, your loan would be over 2 years and 6 months early at a savings of ~$7,700.

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Pay it off and then mod: ~$44,000
So straight into it: ~$52,000

Does this make sense?
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Old 12-10-2007, 06:52 AM   #144
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Just to make sure you have done the math:
72 months * 572 = ~42,000

This means you are paying something to the tune of 12.335% interest on your loan. Over six years, that is ~$11,900 in interest.

Now, had you spent 10k on the payment instead of mods, your loan would be over 2 years and 6 months early at a savings of ~$7,700.

CN:
Pay it off and then mod: ~$44,000
So straight into it: ~$52,000

Does this make sense?
hey... the last thing we need around here is logic and math, damnit!
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:12 AM   #145
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Just to make sure you have done the math:
72 months * 572 = ~42,000

This means you are paying something to the tune of 12.335% interest on your loan. Over six years, that is ~$11,900 in interest.

Now, had you spent 10k on the payment instead of mods, your loan would be over 2 years and 6 months early at a savings of ~$7,700.

CN:
Pay it off and then mod: ~$44,000
So straight into it: ~$52,000

Does this make sense?

+12345 to pay it off and then mod like crazy ,
almost there

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Old 12-10-2007, 12:58 PM   #146
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:00 PM   #147
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That was an awesome post. I'm 18 so I could easily be the person you're targeting but I don't understand the purpose of 400whp or even 300whp when most people I know just drive them around town. I hope people read this and it changed their minds
Purpose of 300whp - 400whp? I guess racing is not a big scene at all wherever you live. Now if you meant "you don't understand how 300whp-400whp can be used daily, thus making it 'useless' ", then I might understand where you're coming from. Sure you don't use that much power when driving through your neighborhood, or driving through random streets, or driving to work, but the fact is, there are many reasons why people opt for more power.

1) Bragging - Sure many people believe that there's no need to do anything to your vehicle based on what other people's opinions are, but the truth is, their opinions matter. Self-satisfaction of a goal reached also falls into this category.

2) Track times - If racing at the local 1/4 mile track is exciting and fun to you, of course you would want a setup that yields more power, reliably, so you can go off and have your fun. Just because you have that much power, it doesn't mean your car is limited to only the track, you can easily commute around town, with close to stock gas mileage - of course if you're not heavy footed, and you are responsible.

3) Pure fun - Every "modder", regardless amount of responsibility, age, and all other factors, sometimes have the urge to engage in some good ol' spirited driving. To some, spirited driving in a stock WRX/STi would be more than enough, but there are many that would rather test out/have fun with their personally modified Subaru and have, again, the satisfaction of a job well done, whether the job be merely purchasing the car, or modifying it to put out 400whp.

Just because stereotypes would put every teenager with a 400whp car at the scene of a street race, it does not mean a teenage owner of a car with such power will do so. I am 19, and I had a supercharged RSX putting out 288whp. Honestly, I have never driven over 75 mph on the highway/streets, except for a quick pass, and of course while doing so, I never exceed 90mph. And I honestly drove much faster, on average, when I was completely stock (maybe it's how loud the car is that it scares me to even go 50% throttle)(law enforcement/safety). Nevertheless, that is proof that I do not put the power to use at all in the public streets because of responsibility, even though some peers may kid and say it's because I'm a p*$$y. Regardless not using nearly the full potential of my ~$6000 dollar investment on the streets, I sure do have my fun at the track, and put all the power to use (at least when I'm not spinning at the tree). What I get back from my investment of modifying my car was well worth it. Just because a teenager has a 'boosted' car does not mean they will not be responsible.

I agree with everything the TS stated, and would back any of it up any day. Well, except for some of the technical information, for I don't know much about Subaru's (hoping that will change in the future). In the end, it takes a combination of responsibility, money, time, research, devotion, and blood/sweat (unless you don't do any of the work yourself ) to fulfill the goal, which is of course very rewarding, of any project that further increases the output of a vehicle.

Anyway, there's my first post/rant.
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:48 PM   #148
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I found the best mod ever!


Buy a slow daily driver, then even a stock STI will feel supercar fast when you have not driven it lately!


I have been driving my 96 2.2 outback with big tires around for the last 2 - 2 1/2 months.

Drove a Tribeca today and thought I was strapped to a rocket ship!!!!

I'm actually afraid to drive my VF39'd Forester now
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:53 PM   #149
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I think people get into a "new to them car", start researching it and get reallllllly big eyes about what can be done to the vehicle and not what should be done to their vehicle for their particular application.

Mind you I am not the oldest, most seasoned or most knowledgeable about subarus or any car for that matter.

I have owned and driven a competition rock buggy, an all steel quick 8 car, a pretty quick ducati and have turned a few laps in an f3 car. I've also owned vehicles that were complete Frankensteins and I was out of my mind for daily driving them ( particularly a jeep cherokee on 39 inch tires with a vette lt1 int it that was lt4 hot cammed) .

In all reality, my opinion is, a street car is a street car. you want to do a few mods here and there to make getting your groceries more fun? more power to you! tune it and tighten the suspension so you can auto-x on weekends? awesome!

you want to drive a racecar on the street? you may want to be checked by a doctor.

race cars are designed for controlled environments ( even a rally circuit is controlled) .

when you crash the car on a public road, you do not have a support team, ems, cranes, helicopters, firesuits, rollcages, etc etc etc etc to save you. the people around you also don't have these things.

and you can go ahead and say that " you won't crash, you don't push it, you are the best driver, yadda yadda yadda", The truth is driving a heavily modified anything around every day holds the same sort of consquences as riding a motorcycle, " it's not if you'll have an accident, it's when you'll have an accident" .

i agree with all the others who have said that the most important mod you can do is modify your driving skills by taking some lessons.


My personal opinion is that toys are best kept to the playground (racetrack), but i won't get into that.

The most important thing is to be safe and enjoy your vehicle!
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Old 04-03-2008, 09:38 AM   #150
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Definition of irony


I am building a 400+whp motor for my daily driver.





*it needs to be noted however, Daily driver is relative, and a key piece of it is that the motor is being built with forged internals. I also work from home, and am a bit of a hermit. When I "go out" its generally either walking to meet my buddies at the bar that is an 8 minute walk from my house, or in my wife's UBER comfy Mazda 3. "Daily" driving takes place every 2-3 days, and usually isnt for more than 20 miles round trip. This is also a bit of a rolling bilboard for my business, it will be a local level show car (as much as a non trailer'd vehicle can be a show car) and I plan on being at the drag strip once a week when I get a real tranny into it. And I have a lot of experience with high powered subbies, so the driving skill (at least enough to be "safe" with that much power) is covered. If it wasnt for all these factors, I would stick in the 340-350whp range with a well tuned 20G/TMIC/Alch setup. Even that is overkill on the street for day to day, however a lot more reasonable than 400whp. I have zero doubt that for around town normal driving, my 20G/TMIC setup will have been more "fun" and rewarding to drive than this built rotated setup.

I disagree with the above statement that driving a heavily modified vehicle is no longer a matter of if you will crash but when. If you drive the car responsibly, you wont be going any faster than you would have if it was stock (or stock ish) I know a guy with a 300+whp car that other than the normal 5ish mph over the limit on the highway speeding, drives within the letter of the law.
The problem is that for the most part, the type of person who goes for bigger than stock HP numbers, heck for the most part the type of person that buys an STI or WRX, is the type of person that will drive outside the law, even if not hugely. So yes, the chances are higher you will get in a wreck than a normal person in a normal and stock car. But not necessarily more chance than if their car was stock or stockish.

This is not to say that a LOT of people will definately have higher chances of crashing at big hp numbers. Like has been said many times over in this thread, the fact is that 90% of drivers can not safely handle a 400whp vehicle. And AWD doesnt mean its safer. Yes its less likely to get sliding around backwards into things, but it also means that at low speeds you will accelerate a lot faster. Its easy for it to get away from you if you nail it and dont realize how much sooner you will be hitting REALLY high speeds. Example, you drive a stock STI, on a particular stretch of road you can NAIL it and hit @60mph by a certain point and you are "safe"( saying that EXTREMELY relative). So you do some mods, and now you can hit 70. Still "safe". You can still slow down in time for that semi hidden driveway, or that light. Now you go big. You do a FMIC, a GT35R and meth. You get to that same stretch of road, and you nail it. Before you know what happened you are screaming towards 100+mph. A car starts to come out of that driveway. You hit the brakes, but you are going so much faster that its a good 20+ft till your foot is on the brake pedal, and now because of your speed, the car needs an additional 50+ft to slow down enough to get around the car or to stop for the light. You blast right into the side of the car. The sad part is you didnt even realize how much faster you were going.

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