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Old 11-24-2007, 03:42 PM   #1
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Bought an 07 STI from fatalsprot on here. When i purchased the car it had some idle issues so i went to see Al to have the erratic idle taken care of at ICS Performance.

Upon my arrival Al was already there but had to wait a little bit since his 1st appt. was late. No big deal so my car eventually made its way onto the dyno to see if the idle can be made more stable. Well after Al worked on the car for several hours with little success George the owner of ICS was kind enough to let me take his Chevy SS pickup truck home since my car was having some serious drivability issues. So after 500 for protune, 150 dyno time, 250 to take a spring out of my wastegate, 100 for a manual boost controller and 50 to install i had to leave my car.

During the week that my car was at ICS with Al another set of inj. were ordered and installed (DW 750cc) originally had Helix 820cc, since that may have been part of the problem. Al spent alot of time working on the final tune and to resolve the idle issues. Went back to pick the car up and had to pay 200 to Al for the extra time that he spent trying to fix the problem.

Well after all of the money spent and time driving I got my car back with the idle issues resolved just have to get used to the rpms going up 500 to 1000 rpms between shifts under light throttle and under 4k.

Overall Iam happy with the customer service that i received from Al and ICS Performance. Al is a great guy to deal with and is dedicated to what he does. George made things as comfortable as possible for me and my G/F while we were there. A big thanks goes out to DYNOFLASH (AL) & ICS PERFORMANCE.

I was able to go to the track and put some solid runs down despite my 60' times. Very cold last night.(NO LAUNCH CONTROL OR FFS)

Power Mods on the car are:
Blouch Dominator III
APS 525 FMIC
DW 750 inj.
Turbosmart ext. wastegate
Turbosmart BOV
APS 70mm intake
Invidia DP
HKS Carbon-Ti exhaust

11.864@120.03 (25 lbs. with c-16) SUBARU POWER!!!!
Here is a pic of my timeslip-
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:03 PM   #2
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What kinda power you making?
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:47 PM   #3
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On race gas it i think it made 400 whp $ 400ft. lbs. Maybe Al would be kind enough to post a dyno sheet.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:12 PM   #4
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wtheck were you racing??? minibike???
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:14 PM   #5
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I think whatever it was broke.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:17 PM   #6
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only 400? i have a bloush domIII also with simular mods..i have pe 850 inj. and al tuned me . at 20 psi i made 408 on pump. the turbo had plenty more but i didnt want to push it becouse at the time it was my dd and i have a stock block.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:17 PM   #7
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you need to get some TGV deletes and headers add'd to that list, what up-pipe are you running?
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:24 PM   #8
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Its a uppipe that Agile custom made for the car.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:25 PM   #9
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yoyoman05- What kind of trap speeds did you see out of your car when you went to the track?
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:43 PM   #10
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so u spent $1250 plus cost for new injectors and ur car is still not running like stock.

that doesnt make sense to me.
why did u have to pay an additional $200 for the extra time and yet it still idles/revs crappy.

i hope they can cut you a break when u go back to have those issues resolved.

BTW, good times.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:52 PM   #11
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yoyoman05- What kind of trap speeds did you see out of your car when you went to the track?
i havent brought my car to the track yet, like i said up until very recently it was my daily driver i couldnt afford to have the risk of breaking it.


plans are in the works not to build a sleeved block and throw a full race twin scroll 40 on it...then its track time
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:11 PM   #12
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Cool good luck with your project. To bad you never went to the track with it to see what it would do.
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:23 PM   #13
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Stickman- From my understanding the 07 STI's are diff. from the other years and do suffer from some driveability issues that as of now can only be minimized and not totally eliminated. Please feel free to share any info you may have about this because coming from the Evo camp it is dissapointing to have such a nice car that isnt smooth as stock.
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:45 PM   #14
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Bought an 07 STI from fatalsprot on here. When i purchased the car it had some idle issues so i went to see Al to have the erratic idle taken care of at ICS Performance.

Upon my arrival Al was already there but had to wait a little bit since his 1st appt. was late. No big deal so my car eventually made its way onto the dyno to see if the idle can be made more stable. Well after Al worked on the car for several hours with little success George the owner of ICS was kind enough to let me take his Chevy SS pickup truck home since my car was having some serious drivability issues. So after 500 for protune, 150 dyno time, 250 to take a spring out of my wastegate, 100 for a manual boost controller and 50 to install i had to leave my car.

During the week that my car was at ICS with Al another set of inj. were ordered and installed (DW 750cc) originally had Helix 820cc, since that may have been part of the problem. Al spent alot of time working on the final tune and to resolve the idle issues. Went back to pick the car up and had to pay 200 to Al for the extra time that he spent trying to fix the problem.

Well after all of the money spent and time driving I got my car back with the idle issues resolved just have to get used to the rpms going up 500 to 1000 rpms between shifts under light throttle and under 4k.

Overall Iam happy with the customer service that i received from Al and ICS Performance. Al is a great guy to deal with and is dedicated to what he does. George made things as comfortable as possible for me and my G/F while we were there. A big thanks goes out to DYNOFLASH (AL) & ICS PERFORMANCE.

I was able to go to the track and put some solid runs down despite my 60' times. Very cold last night.(NO LAUNCH CONTROL OR FFS)

Power Mods on the car are:
Blouch Dominator III
APS 525 FMIC
DW 750 inj.
Turbosmart ext. wastegate
Turbosmart BOV
APS 70mm intake
Invidia DP
HKS Carbon-Ti exhaust

11.864@120.03 (25 lbs. with c-16) SUBARU POWER!!!!
Here is a pic of my timeslip-
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so u spent $1250 plus cost for new injectors and ur car is still not running like stock.

that doesnt make sense to me.
why did u have to pay an additional $200 for the extra time and yet it still idles/revs crappy.

i hope they can cut you a break when u go back to have those issues resolved.

BTW, good times.
The story of this car is a bit unusual and atypical. For some unkown reason the particular parts combination on this car proved very difficult to tune.

Our customer purchased the car used fully modified and tuned by another shop and for some reason and it did not idle well.

I spent many hours trying to get it to idle better all to no avail.

Also the car had a problem where the wastegate spring was too stiff to achive the desired pump gas boost level so we needed to R & R the gate but that was unrealted to the idle / driveability concern. Additional diagnostic measures were taken including a compression test, changing spark plugs and boost leak test etc everything came up perfect.

Based upon the way the car was acting I began to suspect a bad set of injectors. This determination was made basically by process of elimination.

We changed to the DW inectors which i have had great results with and the situation greatly improved.

When finshed the car ran much better and no longer had stalling problems or an irratic idle. It did not have as crisp a "feel" on partial TPS as some cars that I have tuned. The BOV is a Turbo Smart combo VTA/re-circ unit and the combination of that and the part and the other parts on the car for some reason just did not work well together. Although the end result ran acceptable it was not perfect in terms of the partial tps crispness. I spent several days of time trying to get it as good as I could. The main thing is that that car was a lot better when we were done than wehn we started.

I am very pleased to see the results obtained by Hova at the track. Given the apparant lack of traction at the track and his bad 60's time the ET and trap speed are very impressive. I would suspect that the car has a low 11 second pass in it with a good 60's time.

Very impressive drivng

Thanks Hova for sharing your time slip.

Subaru power indeed.

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Old 11-24-2007, 06:51 PM   #15
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only 400? i have a bloush domIII also with simular mods..i have pe 850 inj. and al tuned me . at 20 psi i made 408 on pump. the turbo had plenty more but i didnt want to push it becouse at the time it was my dd and i have a stock block.
I have to open Hova's dyno runs and see what his peak numbers were.

As you know dyno numbers are just numbers. The trap speed he obtained is very impressive and certainly shows that the car is easily in the 400 whp range.

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Old 11-24-2007, 06:59 PM   #16
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Thanks to Al's tuning ability car was able to achieve 120 in the quarter. I think that for a stock location turbo that is quite impressive and with some more seat time there is def. a low 11 sec. pass to be had.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:21 PM   #17
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not disrespecting the 400 hp...the trap #s are very imprssive...a mid to low 11 sec stocl local turbo is awsome...good luck.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:01 PM   #18
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Just to point out = yet anther AP2 success story - its an amazing product !
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:19 PM   #19
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Al, Do you know if you are going to the track on Tues. Maybe i will head up if you are going to be there. Possibly get that low 11 on video.

Does anybody know what some others are running with this turbo at the track?
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:05 PM   #20
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that DBW condition sounds pretty normal. they seem to be hit and miss. some I have driven have very crisp feelings, some feel like slugs. unfortunately with the DBW system there are so many variables it is difficult to pinpoint.

It's my #1 beef with the car. I feel very disconnected from the engine with the combination of poor DBW and the hydraulic clutch (even with stainless line).
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:08 PM   #21
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Just to point out = yet anther AP2 success story - its an amazing product !
al, you got better number with my car , same set up but i have a utec w/sd


i have had absolutly no problems with it at all ...perfect tune. wouldnt trade it for a ap2
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Old 11-24-2007, 09:28 PM   #22
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Utec with SD is a tool which can achive excelent results with care and attention

IMHO the AP2 is a superior product for 99.9999 % of customers but the UTEC can and does achive very good results

Utec with SD can handle more advanced applications wuch as those with giant turbos, etc but on mildly modified cars I prefer the stock ecu be it AP2 or Ecutek etc

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Utec with SD is a tool which can achive excelent results with care and attention

IMHO the AP2 is a superior product for 99.9999 % of customers but the UTEC can and does achive very good results

Utec with SD can handle more advanced applications wuch as those with giant turbos, etc but on mildly modified cars I prefer the stock ecu be it AP2 or Ecutek etc

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Old 11-24-2007, 09:38 PM   #24
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that DBW condition sounds pretty normal. they seem to be hit and miss. some I have driven have very crisp feelings, some feel like slugs. unfortunately with the DBW system there are so many variables it is difficult to pinpoint.

It's my #1 beef with the car. I feel very disconnected from the engine with the combination of poor DBW and the hydraulic clutch (even with stainless line).
I agree with you on this - however the "problem" seems to be particularly difficult on '07 STI's

Anyone who doubts how bad the stock ecu DBW is should take a ride in an STI with a HYDRA on it - BAMM the DBW experience is perfect. (fast to open and close). The stock ecu just sucks at the DBW.

On the '04 - '06 in most cases with tuning the cars feel very good no matter how modfied the car is.

The '07s seem to be more touchy and when you start dealing with turbos with larger compressor wheels and large FMIC pipes the car can be difficult to dial in totally smooth. Remember, with a large and long fmic pipe there is a lot of space between the MAF sensor and the throttle. I have dealt with several '07's with the APS fmic pipe which proved to be very chalenging to tune while on the '04 - '06 STI that pipe did not create any difficulty.

As I am writing this I am sitting in a CAN BUS '07 LGT which is getting a Ecutek CAN BUS reflash and the '07 LGT ecu is even more of a challenge to tune with a large FMIC than the '07 STI. The new can bus ecu is very, super sensitive and fast with the a/f correction and the DBW is particularly touchy.

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Old 11-24-2007, 10:18 PM   #25
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Al, So you think that a possible switch to a hydra unit will alleviate these driveability issues that the 07's STI's have? If so then that may be the next thing that i will be purchasing. I love the way the car feels at the track under those conditions. Very crisp feel and no hesitation between gear changes.
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