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12-03-2007, 08:26 AM | #1 |
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Nokian Hakka RSi vs. Hakka 4 vs. Blizzak WS-60
Just as the title asks.
I have a 2005 Legacy GT, I'm using the stock 17" rims for snows and picking up another set for the summer time. I'm down to deciding between the Nokian Hakkapeliitta RSi, the Hakkapeliitta 4 (unstudded), and the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60. I live in Southern Maine, near the seacoast. We get a lot of wet snow/slush. I'd rather not drive with studded tires. Curious if anyone has done direct comparisons. Right now I'm leaning toward the RSi. Thanks, SCGT
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12-03-2007, 09:52 PM | #2 |
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RSI, if its in the budget .
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12-04-2007, 09:51 AM | #3 |
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I got Hakka 5 studded (which is supposed to be different from hakka 4 with stud's behavior on dry) and I can say I don't like them. Hakka 2 were much better, in fact my old Dunlops M3s cut through slush much better
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12-04-2007, 11:28 AM | #4 |
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12-05-2007, 02:30 AM | #5 |
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ive got the blizzak ws60...great in snow, ice slush, decent in dry.!
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12-05-2007, 08:31 AM | #6 |
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RSi working good for me, no complaints yet.
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12-05-2007, 09:16 AM | #7 |
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Having driven on unstudded Hakka2's, and assuming the unstudded Hakka4's are the same, while they are a fantastic tire on snow and not bad on dry or wet roads, on ice they are crap. If you drive on unplowed back roads a lot then you might consider these, but if most of your driving is on plowed roads, where melting snow can refreeze to form black ice, get one of the other ones.
I went from Hakka2's to Toyo Garit HT's, which is a much better tire for icy conditions. |
12-05-2007, 09:27 AM | #8 |
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Interesting. I've used Toyo Garit HT's on my old WRX and was very impressed on how well they did on ice compared to a true studded tire. However, on my STi i run the Hakka 2's (studded heavily), and they did great last year all around.
Course the way we're going locally, its just a matter of time before we have no snow in the winters. (Global warming isn't a joke people...) Used to have tons 10years ago, now we get 1-2", couple storms a year. Last edited by neko; 12-05-2007 at 09:39 AM. |
12-05-2007, 11:05 AM | #9 |
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12-05-2007, 03:03 PM | #10 |
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loving my RSI's so far, better than i expected.
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12-06-2007, 08:47 AM | #11 |
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What about the Nokian WRs?
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12-06-2007, 04:05 PM | #12 |
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12-12-2007, 08:17 AM | #13 |
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I picked up the Nokian RSi's. I got 205/50R17's instead of the stock 215/45/R17's. I paid $158 each, but there aren't many dealers around so I dealt with it. Onto the tires... so far so good. Drove home last night in some freezing rain and was surprised at their stopping ability on black ice. They grip like a s.o.b. I will post a follow up once I get some more time on them in different conditions.
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12-12-2007, 09:23 AM | #14 |
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I don't think you'll get a true answer here since everyone will recommend you whatever they have on their car.
What you need, all depends on the type of driving you'll be doing. RSi is awesome tire for plowed/unplowed snow but not too great in the dry. Other tires may do other things better. People who come and say, I have X tire and it works awesome for me, may not be a good input because what works for them may not work for you. I'd love to have RSi as a second set of winter tires just for the spirited deep snow driving or winter RallyX but I know I won't be able to use them on the daily basis because they wont work for me on the dry or wet salted street. It's all about the compromises. |
12-12-2007, 01:31 PM | #15 |
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^^^ what he said.
The RSi is a dedicated winter tire and I was told that it would wear fast when in the dry. The WR is a better comprimize if you drive on dry roads frequently. I had the NRW's (much liek WR's) for 3yrs and like them, but they did lack in the ice traction dept. I now have M3's on the same car and can say that they are a bit better in ice, and in deep snow, than the NRW's. Great turning bite and stopping power - awesome power on slides too (well controled). I have had the M2's on a previous Subie, and had liked them as well - but the M3 is a better "snow" tire. My wife has the Dunlop Graspic on her AWD Civic RT - those tires kick ass- but they are not a performance tire. Grip like MAD on ice/deep snow/packed/anything... cheap too I live in the front range CO (Boulder area) - so we have a lot of dry road days, but I go up the Mnt every weekend and we get our fair share of snow down here as well (it just melts fast). I've been loving the 8-10" we just got this week Sorry, no input ont the Blizzaks - I'm not thrilled with the changing tread compound design so I've never bought them... -Chad |
12-12-2007, 09:02 PM | #16 |
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LOL, so many contradictions in this thread ...
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12-13-2007, 09:39 AM | #17 | |
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I was looking to get them replaced next season with either M3s, Revo1 or some other more snow oriented tire rather than performance Winter. Do you have the regular M3s or the 3D ones?? |
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12-14-2007, 10:36 AM | #18 |
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Tried them out in the snow last night. We had maybe 5". Roads were very slushy/icy. These tires are awesome. Our driveway was unplowed with a big drift at the end -no problem at all. The only thing I'm unsure of will be the wear rate. I plan on taking them off in late April/early May so we'll see. Hopefully I can get 3 winters out of them.
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12-14-2007, 05:24 PM | #19 |
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I thought I'd add my input since I drive on Hakka 2's and I just got my wife some Hakka 4's, both studless. I'm not going to get into comparing one tire over another, people have done enough of that already.
However, I will comment on my experience with the Hakka 2's. In terms of wear, they wear like iron. I've been running the same tires for the past 4 seasons and they still have at least one more season in them. Concerning their performance on ice, I'd have to say that I have NO complaints. Of course, you have to be careful because it's ice. Dry, they handle well, there is the winter tire mush but you can't avoid that. In snow they're fantastic. I live in New England and a couple of years ago we had an enormous storm that dumped a significant amount of snow. The tires had no problem pushing through it. I can't comment on the Hakka 4's since I haven't been on them in the snow or ice (I'm currently in VA so I missed the dumping the north east is getting). I have driven on them in the dry and they're def. not bad. Very similar to my Hakka 2's maybe a bit better. I can't distinguish if its the car (06 GTI vs an 02 WRX). I hope this helps! Ryan |
12-14-2007, 08:14 PM | #20 |
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I just picked up the WS60s yesterday after a lot of research.
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