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Old 01-27-2002, 12:19 AM   #1
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Is there any talk of Subaru widening the Impreza Wagon so that it has the same suspension and fender flares as the sedan?

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Old 01-27-2002, 12:46 AM   #2
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This must fall into the category of "Why?"

I once heard a rep from Subaru tell me that they did this because the wagon looks better without the blistered fenders and narrower track! Huh?

That's got to be one of the dumbestóand most expensiveóreasons I've ever heard. Even the UK's CAR magazine, in the current issue on sale here in the USA, asks the very same question. They can't figure it out either. It's just another example of one of those strange, makes-no-sense features, that Subaru is famous (or infamous) for...

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Old 01-27-2002, 01:48 PM   #3
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Why? The wagon looks better than the sedan. Why muck it up with those blistered fenders? Ugh. Oh, wait...for the 20mm wider track that Car magazine was whining about!

Giving the wagon the segan's styling cues would impact sales in an adverse way. I sure as heck wouldn't have bought something that ugly.

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Old 01-27-2002, 03:07 PM   #4
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hum... not sure about blister fender. but the arch fender as seen on VW and AUDI RS4 would be really nice on Impreza Wagon.
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Old 01-27-2002, 10:25 PM   #5
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Why? The wagon looks better than the sedan. Why muck it up with those blistered fenders? Ugh. Oh, wait...for the 20mm wider track that Car magazine was whining about!

Giving the wagon the segan's styling cues would impact sales in an adverse way. I sure as heck wouldn't have bought something that ugly.

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The point is not about "to blister the fender" or "not to blister the fender," but why offer two different versions in the first place, especially in such a price-sensitive market. Besides the fenders, you have a different front bumper skin, and suspension hardware that is different. That seems to be a rather extravagant choice to be made. I would much rather have had them use one design, and spend all the extra money it took to design, engineer and manufacture these additional pieces; and spend it on offering the 6-speed transmission.

You don't like the blistered fender look, but I know many that do. The sales wouldn't be affected one way or another. Most people buy the WRX in spite of its looks, not because of its looks.

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Old 01-28-2002, 11:02 AM   #6
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Go to your post and at the bottom right is the Edit button. Click on that and in the edit window - upper right is the Delete button.
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Old 01-28-2002, 11:12 AM   #7
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I don't think that you can delete a post after you've doubled up. That power is reserved for the moderators.

Actually, I think that the wagon has a lot in common with existing Subaru models pre-WRX as regards mounting points, etc. The sedan is "newer," so to speak, than the wagon. Again, I'm basing this on something I thought I had read in the past. Can anyone confirm this?

I'd imagine it was pretty easy for Subaru to make the two different cars, and it probably wasn't at all expensive, or as we all know, they sure as heck wouldn't have done it!

Then again, perhaps the added expense explains the limited number of wagons, compared to sedans?

I'd also quibble with the "most people buy the WRX in spite of its looks," comment. I have only gotten positive responses from the public at large about my silver wagon. Females call it "cute," while men call it "cool." It's an attention-grabber, and none of the people who ask about it, know about Subaru or the WRX. I think that's really cool.

I also think that people who are buying wagons because they're wagons would be turned off by the sedan's styling cues, but this is all just speculation. There's a balance to the wagon's styling that is greatly enhanced by its subtlety. I think that removal of that subtlety would indeed affect sales in an adverse way. Or perhaps enough people would buy one, with the macho fenders, that the people not buying them because of same would be offset. Interesting...

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Old 01-28-2002, 12:06 PM   #8
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Why? The wagon looks better than the sedan. Why muck it up with those blistered fenders? Ugh. Oh, wait...for the 20mm wider track that Car magazine was whining about!

Giving the wagon the segan's styling cues would impact sales in an adverse way. I sure as heck wouldn't have bought something that ugly.

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I beg to differ. I think most people think the sedan looks much better. It DOES handle better for sure.

I love the look of the wagon and the sedan. They both have pros/cons, but I think the sedan looks the best (which is why I bought it). The widebody is very nice.

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Old 01-28-2002, 01:23 PM   #9
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For the info on how to delete posts. They're gone...

Another question: Is there a spell-check function here? I've just been copying and pasting into MS Word, and then re-copy and re-paste into here.

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Old 01-28-2002, 02:00 PM   #10
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Sorry, but I've never talked to anyone personally that thinks the sedan looks better. It just look wack.

And how could 20mm possibly make a handling difference at all? Gimme a break, no one could ever notice that. If anything, I think the wagon would handle much better if you put on the sedan sway bar and tower strut bar cause the weight is more evenly distributed.

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Old 01-28-2002, 02:13 PM   #11
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Oh no, Type C, I meant something as ugly (to me) as a wagon with sedan fenders. I think the sedan looks really cool, just not as cool as a wagon, but my wagon fetish is well-documented.

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Old 01-28-2002, 02:25 PM   #12
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Sorry, but I've never talked to anyone personally that thinks the sedan looks better. It just look wack.

And how could 20mm possibly make a handling difference at all? Gimme a break, no one could ever notice that. If anything, I think the wagon would handle much better if you put on the sedan sway bar and tower strut bar cause the weight is more evenly distributed.

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not only is the sedan's track wider, but it has a larger rear sway bar, and firmer springs all around. That is how/why it is a better handler. And having driven both, I can honesly say it's a noticeable difference.
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Old 01-28-2002, 03:15 PM   #13
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There's a lot of crying on the board about the narrow fenders on the wagon. My vote is it makes no difference to me.. I do think it's weird that the wagon has less content than the sedan, but I can't imagine caring enough about the difference in handling for daily driving.

My fix: buy a 20mm rear bar off a sedan owner. I installed one on my TS, made a big difference for cheap money.

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Old 01-28-2002, 04:19 PM   #14
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You guys seem to forget the purpose of both models.
The sedan is more handling oriented because that's what it was intended. The wagon has the handling but with alittle more in mind, and that's to use it for what it was made. IT'S A WAGON !!!

And I've seen UK's rallying with a wagon....out performing sedans...so it's just basically what you turn your car into...

Quit the "My sedan is better than your wagon.." nonsense!!!

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Old 01-29-2002, 04:27 AM   #15
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Why fender and no fender?

Well not sure if this is one of the reasons. But in Japan, for New Age Imprezas, all sedans are WRX, turbo or not, therefore get the WRC style fender (because the WR car is a sedan). Wagons are not WRX, turbo or not, therefore get normal car look.

Sounds like I am pushing it, but who knows, might be a marketing strategy for Japanese market.
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Old 01-29-2002, 12:34 PM   #16
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Why fender and no fender?

Well not sure if this is one of the reasons. But in Japan, for New Age Imprezas, all sedans are WRX, turbo or not, therefore get the WRC style fender (because the WR car is a sedan). Wagons are not WRX, turbo or not, therefore get normal car look.

Sounds like I am pushing it, but who knows, might be a marketing strategy for Japanese market.
This seems to be the most "logical" explanation I've heard to date. The Japanese are known for strange preferences, at least to westerners. However, from a "practical and economic" standpoint, it makes no sense whatsoever, to have two different fender/suspension designs. I can't think of one other example where wagons and sedans versions of the same model, have different fenders and suspensions with different tracks.

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Old 02-01-2002, 06:43 PM   #17
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First, could someone post a photchopped wagon w/ said blistered fenders? is it really that bad?

Second, does this mean the STi Wagon won't have Aluminum control arms, b/c those are sized for the sedan?
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Old 02-01-2002, 07:54 PM   #18
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Uh gumball, there won't be an STi wagon for this market, I regret to report.

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