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Old 12-05-2007, 11:12 PM   #1
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News Keep this driver in your prayers... RIP

Poor guy had nothing to do with it...

You can see the news story, and video of the crash here:
http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx

Please keep the driver of the Supra in your prayers.

This other jerk robs a bank and kills himself, and in the process takes another life with him. It's terrible that he took someone with him. They both died on the scene.

RIP. I pray God receives you tonight.
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:14 PM   #2
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Ya saw that.. JAcked up. ON another note, that supra didnt hold up to well compared to the altima =O
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:35 PM   #3
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What a piece of sh#t that guy was! I only wish we could kill that guys family as well... f*king worthless pieces of sh@t!!
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:46 PM   #4
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Hmmm...thats why my parents called me for no reason earlier. (I drive a white car, they might have thought it was me)
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:57 PM   #5
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So is the consensus pretty much that the guy deliberately went head-on into the Supra? I haven't been following the story very well...

... it's like the guy on Cave Creek Road a few weeks ago that drove head-on into a Semi... I mean, there are more effective ways of saying "eff it all, I'm out." Why the HELL would you feel the need to take someone else w/ you?

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Old 12-05-2007, 11:58 PM   #6
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'Tis the season unfortunately.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:23 AM   #7
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thats horrible. and the other news video of it you see the wreck and after and the cops completely ignore the supra and jsut pull guns no one checks on them.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:39 AM   #8
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Man that's so stupid. The gruesome video is sad the cops walk up and the one checks the Supra and they obviously know he's already dead cause they don't do anything. What a prick if you want to die kill yourself but don't take someone else out with you.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:39 AM   #9
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thats a brutal crash. i cant imagine that.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:48 AM   #10
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What a piece of s**t ! ! ! ! The suspect is lucky he did not make it out alive... If I was an on-duty police officer on the chase, I would of beat that f**k to his death. He robs a bank then tries to get away with it! How many ppl these days try to rob a bank and get caught? If this was like 1950-1990 then you could maybe get away with it, but why even try anymore? If your that worthless to where you have to conisder robbing a bank then going through with it. You deserve nothing but the worst, I hope he gets tortured in hell because he is a piece of s**t imo. Im hella pissed after watching that video, f**k that guy.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:52 AM   #11
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:59 AM   #12
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Thats ****ED! This type of thing really upsets me. I'm realy sad now.

Pardon my possible ignorance, but why dont the police end a chace when it starts? I mean I've seen too many chaces go on for far too long and the inocent end up losing their lives.

RIP Supra driver.

Burn in Hell bank robbing piece of crap.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:15 AM   #13
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Pardon my possible ignorance, but why dont the police end a chace when it starts? I mean I've seen too many chaces go on for far too long and the inocent end up losing their lives.
Seems like a tradeoff between let them go so they don't end up hurting anyone now or try to catch them before they commit another crime and/or hurt someone in the future. Then you have the hypotheticals such as, what if there is someone in the trunk and if you let them go they will end up raping and killing them. Is it worth the risk on the street for such a situation? The problem is we can never tell which is worse letting them go or the risk of trying to catch them now. There are no simple answers, IMHO.

I also wonder if we, as a society, decided that it is okay to use deadly force when someone runs from the police (foot or auto), how that would affect people's behavior.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:26 AM   #14
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my condolences goes to the victims family.. very sad to hear two people lost there lives for maybe just a couple hundered dallers..
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:28 AM   #15
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thats horrible. and the other news video of it you see the wreck and after and the cops completely ignore the supra and jsut pull guns no one checks on them.
Yeah - the guy was a total jerk and it should not have ended as it did.

I canít agree with your comment though... the Cops were only doing what was needed at the time. If the guy Somehow survived - who knows what they could have been walking into - was he armed? Could he have shot out at them?

What happened is horrible but they need to secure the scene before they can move on to help others. Chances are if they died at the scene there was little the cops could have done for the other car anyway... (Short of hold their hand and comfort them as best as they can.) Whatever money the guy got out of the bank - they should multiply it by 100x and give it to innocent family. It wonít replace who was lost - but it can help them start to rebuild.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:33 AM   #16
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Thats ****ED! This type of thing really upsets me. I'm realy sad now.

Pardon my possible ignorance, but why dont the police end a chace when it starts? I mean I've seen too many chaces go on for far too long and the inocent end up losing their lives.

RIP Supra driver.

Burn in Hell bank robbing piece of crap.
If cops could end a chase when it started I doubt there'd even be a chase in the first place.

Either way I know in the Midwest atleast when the Cops are in a chase like this they normally back off when the guy is trying to go onto a smaller road like that with traffic. They probably should of backed off and let the helicopter take over or with most cases these days they tend to find the suspect anyways.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:37 AM   #17
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They probably should of backed off and let the helicopter take over or with most cases these days they tend to find the suspect anyways.
That I do agree with - there are two dumb things to me;
1. That the guy robbed a bank.
2. He ran.

Face it with Technology as it is - you can run but unless your 120% perfect - your going to get caught. There is always a slip up. Look at LAPD - they simply let the Helo follow the suspect and will nab them when they get to their destination.

You can't out run a radio.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:44 AM   #18
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Yeah - the guy was a total jerk and it should not have ended as it did.

I canít agree with your comment though... the Cops were only doing what was needed at the time. If the guy Somehow survived - who knows what they could have been walking into - was he armed? Could he have shot out at them?

What happened is horrible but they need to secure the scene before they can move on to help others. Chances are if they died at the scene there was little the cops could have done for the other car anyway... (Short of hold their hand and comfort them as best as they can.) Whatever money the guy got out of the bank - they should multiply it by 100x and give it to innocent family. It wonít replace who was lost - but it can help them start to rebuild.
i agree with you just a horrible thing i guess i was wishin somone could stop these kind of things. i realize there is probbly very little the cops could have done to help and they were doing the best with the situation.
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Old 12-06-2007, 02:01 AM   #19
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thats horrible. and the other news video of it you see the wreck and after and the cops completely ignore the supra and jsut pull guns no one checks on them.
well the driver was armed when he ran.. last thing you need is him shooting officers while they check that car.. hes not gonna live any longer if they chedked him right away as im sure ambulance is already on the way
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Old 12-06-2007, 02:45 AM   #20
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I just see to many too many 'good opportunities' to end a chase. On tv and online.

I'm just very conservative, and dont think we should allow this mayhem on our streets.

The police followed procedure and did what they thought was best. No one could have seen that coming, until right before it happened.

I would just like to see more chases ended quickly without these results.
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Old 12-06-2007, 03:17 AM   #21
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1. We have to secure the scene first before we can assist people. We are of no help if we get shot down! Thats why the officers pointed the guns at the suspect first.
2. If officers feel that the suspect is an imminent threat to the safety of others they will chase! There are sergeants and lieutenants that can call the chase off at any time but in this case its a violent felony that was committed so we are trained to chase unless instructed not to.
3. If the helicopter was on him they should have kept good distance and just followed the direction that the helicopter gave them. I wasnt there so I'm not gonna judge their actions. There are many factors that play into the scene that we cant account for.
4. These situations are considered double edged swords. We cant win or lose! We chase then something like this happens and we get blamed for our actions. We dont chase and he ends up robbing another bank and killing someone and we get blamed for not stopping him when we had the opportunity. There are too many factors and you just never know what the final outcome will be so we try to make the best decisions in the few seconds that we have. People will never be able to comprehend the extreme stressed that we as officers are placed under! Its a pretty insane line of duty!!

Its a shame that the supra driver lost his life over a stupid **** head that doesnt value his own life! I hate stupid people like this but its an unfortunate truth that we most deal with in our time! All we can do is make the decision that we feel is the best at that moment!

RIP Supra driver
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Old 12-06-2007, 09:37 AM   #22
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and then theres the guy who got fired from mcdonalds for stealing 17 bucks... and he goes to the mall and kills 9 people including himself..... wtf is this world coming too?

makes me wanna start packin
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:22 AM   #23
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1. We have to secure the scene first before we can assist people. We are of no help if we get shot down! Thats why the officers pointed the guns at the suspect first.
2. If officers feel that the suspect is an imminent threat to the safety of others they will chase! There are sergeants and lieutenants that can call the chase off at any time but in this case its a violent felony that was committed so we are trained to chase unless instructed not to.
3. If the helicopter was on him they should have kept good distance and just followed the direction that the helicopter gave them. I wasnt there so I'm not gonna judge their actions. There are many factors that play into the scene that we cant account for.
4. These situations are considered double edged swords. We cant win or lose! We chase then something like this happens and we get blamed for our actions. We dont chase and he ends up robbing another bank and killing someone and we get blamed for not stopping him when we had the opportunity. There are too many factors and you just never know what the final outcome will be so we try to make the best decisions in the few seconds that we have. People will never be able to comprehend the extreme stressed that we as officers are placed under! Its a pretty insane line of duty!!

Its a shame that the supra driver lost his life over a stupid **** head that doesnt value his own life! I hate stupid people like this but its an unfortunate truth that we most deal with in our time! All we can do is make the decision that we feel is the best at that moment!

RIP Supra driver
After sleeping on this, the thing everyone has to remember is that the guy was trying to commit suicide. Its just unfortunate that he hit and killed another person instead of just crashing into a light post...

He was playing chicken on purpose... To end his life.

He's a piece of sh#t no doubt.
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Old 12-06-2007, 11:14 AM   #24
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agreed. stupid f$$%#@ people in this world. hope everyone and everyone they love and care about have happy and safe holidays. take care and higher forces be with you.
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Seems like a tradeoff between let them go so they don't end up hurting anyone now or try to catch them before they commit another crime and/or hurt someone in the future. Then you have the hypotheticals such as, what if there is someone in the trunk and if you let them go they will end up raping and killing them. Is it worth the risk on the street for such a situation? The problem is we can never tell which is worse letting them go or the risk of trying to catch them now. There are no simple answers, IMHO.

I also wonder if we, as a society, decided that it is okay to use deadly force when someone runs from the police (foot or auto), how that would affect people's behavior.
Yeah, I was thinking about that. If police start using more force, will the bad guys start bringing more heat or will it in fact reduce crime? Who knows...

It is a doulble edge sword like was said.

I said that this could not have been seen coming, but...

If he was suicidal, a head on crash should have been seen. On the road there are not too many options for sucide. Now I'm thinking this guy should have been stopped before this wreck.
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