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Old 12-08-2007, 06:44 PM   #1
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I've been told running spacers/adapters puts more stress on wheel bearings? how bad could it be?

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How bad is it for the AWD in our cars to run staggered wheels? Staggered meaning a different width in the front that in the back.
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Old 12-08-2007, 07:55 PM   #2
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I wouldn't run a staggered setup up on a suby. You need the tires to be the same overall diameter all the way around. Why do you want it staggered? I wouldn't be too worried about your wheel bearings. There are a lot of people running lower offset wheels that have not had problems. Not saying it is good for your wheel bearings but it will take a while to affect them.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:14 PM   #3
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Why do you want it staggered?
i want some baller wheels that i don't think anyone has done on a suby... just hard trying to find the right set that isn't staggered.




but how bad could it be?
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:23 PM   #4
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i want some baller wheels that i don't think anyone has done on a suby... just hard trying to find the right set that isn't staggered.




but how bad could it be?
What kind of wheels? Vellano? You just need to make sure you tires are the same height all the way around. Going wider in the rear you have to compensate with a shorter sidewall. I don't know what sizes you are thinking, just do your research on the sizes. I have seen a lot of audi's that had problems with staggered wheels. Audi's tolerance is not supposed to be more that 2/32nds. I don't know about subies. It is probably close though.
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Old 12-08-2007, 10:36 PM   #5
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You want staggered, get a different car.

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I've been told running spacers/adapters puts more stress on wheel bearings? how bad could it be?

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How bad is it for the AWD in our cars to run staggered wheels? Staggered meaning a different width in the front that in the back.
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Old 12-08-2007, 10:40 PM   #6
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You want staggered, get a different car.
that kinda sounds like a command....

just asking to see if it was possible
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Old 12-09-2007, 01:48 AM   #7
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your center diff will assplode


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Old 12-09-2007, 09:16 AM   #8
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:26 AM   #9
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Lots of people have run different wheels sizes (using the same tire size) with no problems. You'd want the wider ones in the front though, to eliminate some understeer, which is probably the opposite look that you are going for.
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:34 AM   #10
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No. How's that?

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that kinda sounds like a command....

just asking to see if it was possible
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Old 12-09-2007, 12:25 PM   #11
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Lots of people have run different wheels sizes (using the same tire size) with no problems. You'd want the wider ones in the front though, to eliminate some understeer, which is probably the opposite look that you are going for.
really? so say i have a 2 17x8 and 2 17x9 wheels. i'd could run a 235/45/17 on the 17x8 in the rear and then run the same tire up front on the 17x9, which would stretch the tire right?
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Old 12-09-2007, 03:39 PM   #12
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lol that will look dumb as hell, 17x8 on the rear and 17x9 up front? if you want to run staggered wheels, get a different car.. !!!! like a RWD car..
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lol that will look dumb as hell, 17x8 on the rear and 17x9 up front? if you want to run staggered wheels, get a different car.. !!!! like a RWD car..
They serve a purpose so it's not dumb as hell.

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^^^^LOL at the driver cussing because he just ran over 2 cones.

As for the rims, wider rims in the front with same size tires front and rear will give better steering feel and better rotation of the car. Great for racing but looks weird if you notice it on the street.
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:49 PM   #15
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What kind of wheels? Vellano? You just need to make sure you tires are the same height all the way around. Going wider in the rear you have to compensate with a shorter sidewall. I don't know what sizes you are thinking, just do your research on the sizes. I have seen a lot of audi's that had problems with staggered wheels. Audi's tolerance is not supposed to be more that 2/32nds. I don't know about subies. It is probably close though.
Sorry to bump this older thread, but I'm doing research on staggered setups.

It seems there are a lot of people on this board against staggered because they claim it will burn up the center differential. YES, this can be true, but lots of Audi (quattro/awd) people are running staggered setups no problem. Let's figure out why. I've been searching around the Audi boards and as long as the overall tire diameter between front and rear is less than 5% difference then there is no problem at all. Most guys even go by the 3% rule to keep on the safe side.

If Audi Quattro's maximum tolerance is 2/32, that is 6.25% which is a LOT. For example a 215/40/18 front tire and 235/40/18 rear tire is only 2.5% difference in overall diameter. Even a 235/40 front and 255/35 rear is 1.5% difference. Of course there should be some tolerance left over as "padding" for when the front/rear tires wear at slightly different rates. Even still, there shouldn't be any issue here if Suby's tolerance is anything like Audi's 2/32".

Counter arguments? I would like there to be a serious discussion on this, but please let's keep the unproductive comments out, like "staggered setup is stupid" or "staggered has no performance benefit." The point is to find out HOW to do a staggered width setup on an AWD Suby.
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Subarus don't use an Audi Quattro system, so your comparison isn't really relavant. Yes, in theaory if you can ge the diamters very close, you should be OK. But the otehr thing to consider is the difference in traction. This will also cause problems for the Center Diff because it will be overworked. My advice is just accept that Subies should have all 4 tires the same size, and spend your time on something else.
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nvm.....

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