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Old 12-12-2007, 05:49 PM   #76
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thats just with a simple tune?
No tune, not yet.

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For the ten runs you did with the new car, do you have a standard deviation calculated? Or you could give me the ten raw peak numbers and I'll run a t-test on them...

For the new core, are you considering going with a variable-geometry core? I've always suspected that the top-mount intercooler is limited not just with hot-side pressure drop and surface area, but also with air flow through the cold side. A variable-geometry core could be used to reduce the cold-side pressure drop and potentially improve overall cooling for a given car speed. Just a thought...

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Not quite like that. I just looked at the lines, and took away the best and worst, and picked the middle-ish one. In our video, you can see at the end, the graphs, or some of them.

None of the Top mounted intercooler suffer from volume issues. The only thing that might have issues is the Frount mounted intercoolers, which as people know, are hardley "Laggy".

What most people don;t realize is the TMIC is much less restrictive than the FMIC core. The only downfall is the cooling. But now that Subaru gave us an even bigger scoop and boot to play with, the TMIC, might be as popular as the FMIC!

Expect alot of tuning done with the TMIC. I think this with a dual water injection nozzle setup will be a hit!
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:42 PM   #77
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Here is my attempt at posting a log up, should work ok?
This is one of the runs, with some knock correction. The more runs we did we would see up to 5 degree correction. But still the same timing. This must be because it was changing to one of the higher timing maps?? Who knows for sure!

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ManifoldEngine SIgnitionMass AirThrottleFuel InjIntake VExhaust Knocking Correction ()
    12.8    1513      19   25.71    18.4    8.07      11      25       0
    13.9    1542      15   28.83    23.1    9.54      10      28       0
    15.7    1534    12.5   32.25    98.8    10.8      10      29       0
      16    1525      16   31.48     100   11.06      11      27       0
    16.1    1551    20.5   33.47     100   11.25      13      22       0
    16.3    1521    18.5   33.46     100   11.36      14      17       0
    16.4    1496      17   33.01     100   11.17      15      15       0
    16.5    1486    16.5   34.04     100   11.41      16      14       0
    16.7    1491    15.5   33.81     100   11.45      17      13       0
    16.8    1490      15    33.7     100   11.44      18      12       0
      17    1499      14   34.63     100   11.51      18      12       0
    17.1    1504    13.5   34.19     100   11.55      19      11       0
    17.1    1501    13.5   35.34     100   11.53      19      11       0
    17.3    1496      13   35.23     100   11.49      19      11       0
    17.3    1511    13.5   35.35     100   10.64      19      10       0
    17.4    1499      13   35.48     100    9.91      20      10       0
    17.4    1479      12   35.47     100    9.78      20      10       0
    17.6    1458    12.5   34.41     100    9.64      20      10       0
    17.6    1450      12   34.28     100    9.59      20      10       0
    17.6    1515    13.5   34.89     100   10.02      20      10       0
    17.6    1643      13   39.69     100   11.21      20      10       0
    17.7    1708      14   41.21     100   12.02      19      10       0
    17.8    1786    18.5   44.42     100   13.33      20      10       0
      18    1812      19   45.46     100   13.14      20      12       0
    18.1    1862      19   46.67     100    13.9      19      13       0
    18.4    1915    19.5   49.43     100    14.7      20      15       0
    18.7    2001    19.5   51.41     100    15.8      19      16       0
    18.9    2038    19.5    53.7     100   16.09      19      17       0
    19.2    2106      20    55.6     100   17.07      19      18       0
    19.4    2142    19.5   58.26     100   17.37      19      17       0
    19.9    2189      19   60.27     100   18.21      18      17       0
    20.2    2272    18.5   64.28     100   19.39      19      16       0
    20.6    2331    17.5    67.6     100   20.39      20      15       0
      21    2406    17.5    70.6     100   21.56      21      16       0
    21.5    2442    15.5   76.21     100   22.92      20      18       0
    22.1    2474    14.5   80.11     100   23.22      20      19       0
    22.8    2553    13.5   83.68     100   24.51      20      20       0
    23.5    2626    13.5    90.5     100   26.33      21      20       0
    24.4    2651    12.5   96.39     100   27.14      20      21       0
    25.2    2726    11.5  105.16     100   29.07      21      20       0
    26.3    2820      12  111.74     100   33.09      20      21       0
    27.4    2879      11     120     100   36.84      20      21       0
    28.1    2924    10.5  128.68     100   40.54      20      21       0
    28.9    2983      11  123.47     100      42      20      22       0
    29.2    2995    10.5  131.38     100   44.09      20      22       0
    28.9    3059    11.5  125.46     100   45.03      20      22       0
    28.7    3094    11.5  135.64     100   46.86      20      21       0
    28.9    3174    12.5  130.24     100   49.43      20      21       0
    28.7    3215      13  143.22     100   50.75      20      21       0
    28.9    3313    12.5  142.24     100      53      20      22       0
      29    3350    12.5  154.04     100   55.74      20      22       0
    29.5    3381      12  146.67     100   56.99      20      24       0
    29.2    3481    12.5   149.3     100   58.66      20      25       0
      29    3509    12.5  159.03     100   62.13      20      27       0
      29    3550      13  156.67     100   62.11      20      29       0
    29.2    3621    12.5  169.55     100   64.88      20      30       0
    29.3    3694      13  169.18     100   66.98      19      31       0
    29.5    3741      13  171.66     100   67.03      17      31       0
    29.3    3821      13  172.41     100   66.02      16      31       0
      29    3859      14  173.09     100   64.21      15      31       0
      29    3937    14.5  176.12     100   64.67      14      30       0
      29    4001      15  180.53     100   64.02      11      30       0
      29    4067    15.5  177.52     100   65.08      10      30       0
      29    4128    15.5  183.91     100   66.04      10      29       0
      29    4148    15.5  182.78     100   66.37      10      28       0
      29    4227    15.5  191.16     100   68.54       9      26       0
    29.2    4291    15.5  193.09     100   70.49       9      25       0
    29.2    4328      15  196.71     100   72.01      10      23       0
    29.3    4391    15.5  202.74     100      74      10      22       0
    29.3    4468    15.5  203.54     100   75.29      10      20       0
    29.3    4480    14.5  207.56     100    75.5       9      20       0
    29.2    4592    14.5  204.75     100   75.42       9      20       0
      29    4630      15     210     100   76.05      10      20       0
    28.7    4712    16.5   208.8     100   75.39       9      21       0
    28.4    4737      17  210.43     100   74.78      10      21       0
    28.4    4820    17.5  211.69     100    76.1      10      20       0
    28.4    4866    17.5  212.55     100   77.86       9      20       0
    28.4    4890      18  218.13     100   78.24       9      21       0
    28.7    4976    17.5  219.85     100   80.67       9      21       0
    28.7    5012    17.5  228.43     100    83.4      10      20       0
    28.9    5070    17.5  230.14     100   85.44       8      20       0
    29.2    5139      17  236.97     100    88.8       8      21       0
    29.5    5201      17  239.72     100    92.1      10      20       0
    29.5    5267      17  243.83     100   93.26       8      21       0
    29.3    5288    16.5  243.83     100    92.5       7      21       0
    29.3    5387      17  246.11     100   94.24       6      21       0
    29.5    5400    15.5   248.4     100    93.3       5      21      -2
    29.3    5439    15.5  247.03     100   92.83       5      20      -2
    29.2    5560      16  249.31     100    93.7       2      21      -2
    29.2    5580    15.5  252.08     100   94.03       1      21      -2
    29.2    5621    15.5  253.96     100   93.54       1      21      -2
    29.2    5734      16  254.44     100   94.19       0      21      -2
      29    5760      16  254.92     100   93.39       0      20      -2
    29.2    5792      16  256.84     100    93.9       0      21      -2
      29    5849    16.5  257.81     100   94.83       0      21      -2
      29    5909      17  255.88     100   93.28       0      20      -2
      29    6029    17.5  257.81     100   93.89       0      20      -2
      29    6071      18  257.81     100   94.55       0      21      -2
      29    6067      18  257.32     100   93.19       0      20      -2
    28.9    6175      19  256.84     100   93.52       0      21      -2
    28.6    6257      20  259.25     100   94.77       0      20      -2
    28.6    6229      18  256.36     100   94.35       0      21      -2
    28.3    6294      19  258.77     100   93.98       0      20      -2
    28.1    6356    19.5  255.88     100   93.56       0      20      -2
      28    6479    20.5  256.36     100   93.99       0      20      -2
    27.9    6498      21  254.92     100   92.87       0      20      -2
    27.9    6484    20.5  252.99     100   92.67       0      20      -2
    27.7    6475    20.5  254.92     100   93.93       0      20      -2
    27.7    6478      21  254.92    58.8   81.54       0      20      -2
     7.3    6429       0   12.15     9.8       0       0       2       0
     4.9    6040       0   12.25     9.8       0       0       1       0
     4.6    5650       0   15.72     9.8       0       0       1       0
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:06 PM   #78
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hey jeff how many lbs of boost is this log at--inj duty seems high for a stk car? the mass air seems to be fine for 14-15 lbs of boost if that is what it is.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:17 PM   #79
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God, I hope Subaru didn't put the same ****ty tune on the 08s as they did the 07s... I'm sure you guys will figure it out soon though.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:24 PM   #80
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Some pics for you guys




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Old 12-12-2007, 08:30 PM   #81
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Shweet!

Thanks for the insight Jeff. Please let us know when and where to find your write up/opinions on the new car.

White with Gold 18" FTW


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(p.s. almost forgot WTF!!! )
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:34 PM   #82
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do you have the 18" BBS wheels?, thats what i ordered and just curious to see what it really looks like.

great work on gettin your hands on one of these cars Jeff. im dripping with envy....
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No dude those are the standard 18's wheels. Which I'm sure Perrin choose those since he's going to change them very soon?

BTW looks nice without the fogs. Hopefully Subaru put stronger pistons (less silicon) to hold the crappy tune! I also hope the exhaust AVCS cam makes a ton of difference!
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:00 PM   #84
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hey jeff how many lbs of boost is this log at--inj duty seems high for a stk car? the mass air seems to be fine for 14-15 lbs of boost if that is what it is.
thanks
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Dave,
Its at 14lbs, most of the run, so yes, i agree. I am not a DD expert, but i remember someone telling me that the way its calculated is not quite perfect. The log shows absolute so subtract ambient pressure.

Again, i am not an expert, but i thought the MAF seemed high. But its been a while since i have paid attention to that on an stock car.
Good to hear from you!
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do you have the 18" BBS wheels?, thats what i ordered and just curious to see what it really looks like.
Those are the 18" cast five-spokes that come on the base model. The BBS wheels are 18 spoke. EastsideSubaru posted pics a little bit ago of their blue one that just arrived and it has the BBS wheels.
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do you have the 18" BBS wheels?, thats what i ordered and just curious to see what it really looks like.

great work on gettin your hands on one of these cars Jeff. im dripping with envy....
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nope, we opted to not spend $2k for wheels. Esspecially since we have to do some aftermarket wheels!

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No dude those are the standard 18's wheels. Which I'm sure Perrin choose those since he's going to change them very soon?

BTW looks nice without the fogs. Hopefully Subaru put stronger pistons (less silicon) to hold the crappy tune! I also hope the exhaust AVCS cam makes a ton of difference!
I too like the no fogs. Its WRC like!
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Thanks for the write up gang! May I ask how you received your 08 STI so soon, with only 40miles on the clock? That doesn't sound like a demo/car show vehicle?

Are these actually showing up at dealers now... or do you all have an in with Subaru for all the great work you do?!?

Thanks again... waiting (impatiently) for the day I can drive mine home!!
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:28 PM   #88
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Well, that is a secret!
Not really, we ordered it a long time ago, and it just showed up!
I think having CARR Subaru local, and the fact we have gotten so many cars from them over the years, i think that helped. But besides our STI, there were 3 others that showed up at the same time, all pre-orders.

There was only 5 miles on the clock, we just did a quick 40 mile break in before we dynoed it!
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Well, that is a secret!
Not really, we ordered it a long time ago, and it just showed up!
I think having CARR Subaru local, and the fact we have gotten so many cars from them over the years, i think that helped. But besides our STI, there were 3 others that showed up at the same time, all pre-orders.

There was only 5 miles on the clock, we just did a quick 40 mile break in before we dynoed it!
Damn! I'm ready to drive to Portland (or anywhere with in 1000 miles) to pick one up tomorrow!!

My dealer doesn't even have a tracking # on my pre-order (from the first day they were officially available to pre-order).

Thanks for the reply!!
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What is with those IDC's?!?! I had planned on actually leaving this thing alone for a while with just a downpipe and a tune; hitting 94% duty cycle on the injectors in a stock setup is nuts unless the map is running crazy rich. Everyone is going to need injectors just to add a downpipe and tune...

I'm glad to see that there are people on the west coast without any delivery information - I have a pre-order from the first day on the east coast and my dealer didn't believe me that anyone had received their order. He called the Northeast sales rep and that guy didn't know anything either.
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Also, can you guys see if the stock 17 BBS wheels from previous years fit? I want to order a set of winter wheels and tires so that I have them ready to go as soon as my car gets here but no one knows what will fit yet.

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Those are the 18" cast five-spokes that come on the base model. The BBS wheels are 18 spoke. EastsideSubaru posted pics a little bit ago of their blue one that just arrived and it has the BBS wheels.
Am I crazy? I thought the stock NON bbs wheels were only 17"????
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None of the Top mounted intercooler suffer from volume issues. The only thing that might have issues is the Frount mounted intercoolers, which as people know, are hardley "Laggy".

What most people don;t realize is the TMIC is much less restrictive than the FMIC core. The only downfall is the cooling. But now that Subaru gave us an even bigger scoop and boot to play with, the TMIC, might be as popular as the FMIC!

Expect alot of tuning done with the TMIC. I think this with a dual water injection nozzle setup will be a hit!
Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. By variable-geometry, I meant that fins would be more widely spaced where the "sti" used to be, then they would be denser, with more of them maybe 1/2"-1" into the core. This would reduce the pressure drop for outside (cool) air flowing through the core to cool the intake charge. As you said, the TMIC is limited in cooling, and this was an idea to improve the air flow on the cold side to improve the effective cooling. I've heard of people talking about these cores, but have not been able to find the actual product on the net anywhere, or even a good picture of one. I also don't have the math down to prove that this would make a difference, but the cold side of those standard bar+plates looks so restrictive, and I suspect that the cool side air is coming into the engine bay at a relatively low pressure. Just brainstorming a bit...

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What is with those IDC's?!?! I had planned on actually leaving this thing alone for a while with just a downpipe and a tune; hitting 94% duty cycle on the injectors in a stock setup is nuts unless the map is running crazy rich. Everyone is going to need injectors just to add a downpipe and tune...

I'm glad to see that there are people on the west coast without any delivery information - I have a pre-order from the first day on the east coast and my dealer didn't believe me that anyone had received their order. He called the Northeast sales rep and that guy didn't know anything either.
07 STI IDCs are worse!

Judging by MAF g/s I'd say they are using the same injectors as the 07 STI. This car is just leaned out more with a better cooling system and better pump with upped FPR. A little birdy told me it is the same turbo that is on the legacy, but that is probably wrong, it is proabbly the same VF43 on the 07 STI. 15 Peak PSI (relative to sea level) it seems, so it may be the same 07 STI engine with new heads (exhaust AVCS) and better cooling. My drive magazine mentions stuff about improved cooling ducts, intercooler and a higher flowing fuel pump. They also mention revised gear ratios, but I bet it is identical to the 07 STI gearing. I can't wait to look at the ECU tables.
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I didnt take offense and do not think it is a big deal. My differential equations professor here at PSU says and writes WTF all the time when we can't solve a problem a certain way. I think its lost its vulgar as well. Anyways....looking forward to seeing those pics, should be a good treat for when i get out of class tonight!
Your professor's name? I got an A- in diff. equation class when I was at PSU.

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i ordered mine with the Nav, BBS and fogs, Aspen White, But now i kinda like the front end without the fogs...... also i dont wanna be a pain or anything Jeff, but i also need to know what wheels will fit on there with snow tires. if you could relply that would be much appreciated! again thanks for the updates man!

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