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Old 12-16-2007, 09:02 AM   #1
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I was thinking about getting this 05 STI conversion for my wagon. The question I have is if it is worth the money for me to do it. I no longer really track my car anymore but Im sick of fixing my front wheel bearings. I have done it 3 times now and both front ones are bad now to make 5 times in 120k miles. How long has anyone ran with this conversion?

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05 STi 5x100 Front Hub Conversion Kit with Custom Knuckles for WRXs and STis

This upgrade includes 05+ STi hubs that have been machined with a 5x100 bolt pattern as well as knuckles machined to fit WRX and prior year STi struts. This kit will fit STis WRXs (Legacy, RS, and Forester fitment pending). While this kit does not allow users to utilize wide 5x114.3 wheels, it does provide the stronger, bolt on hubs. The kit can also be machined with an offset upright bolt hole to provide additional camber, negating the need for camber plates. We are offering this upgrade as a full kit which includes:

* (2) New 05 STi front knuckles machined to fit WRX and prior STi struts (custom camber settings optional)
* (2) New 05 5x100 STi front hubs/bearings
* (8) New bolts to attach hubs/bearings to knuckle
* (2) New 6 Gun Racing Speedo Gear Adapter Collars
* (10) New OEM lug studs installed in hubs

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Old 12-16-2007, 09:19 AM   #2
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yes, i have them on my 04 STi . went that way the first time my wheel bearings went bad(which was only really less than 5k miles ago). figured i might as well do it right the first time, tho.
Plus, two new wheels bearings was like $120, plus replacement hubs if they were bad (causing the new wheel bearings to bad again sooner), at about double that, i was thinking $360 versus the $900 i paid for my new hubs, and the likelihood of never replacing them again... i went for it. Kinda wished i had used the opportunity to swap over to 5x114.3 (cheaper fronts, and just buy and swap some rear hubs then), but i didn't. Just didn't wanna do rear hubs as well. Of course, now all i do have to do is press out my studs in the front and stick them back in the right holes, then do the rear hubs still. No extra money or anything. You might want to keep that in mind if you change wheels a lot. Lots more selections for 5x114, then 5x100 will ever have.
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:42 PM   #3
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Oh god is it worth it. I wish I could do it and stay in my autox class.

Both front bearings + one front hub + labor pretty much puts you in range of the cost of the kit. Ask me how I know

You can make the labor cheaper by either DIY'ing or taking your hub to the shop, but if you have already done it three times you sound like a good candidate.

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Old 12-17-2007, 12:32 PM   #4
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The 5X114 yes is nice but it really is not an issue for I have three sets of 5x100 wheels.

I will be doing the work myself I have fixed two of the three that have gone bad in the past. What about the ABS ring is that hard to deal with in the swap?

I would not think they would really boot you out of a AutoX class though. I use to run STX and think every now and then about running again if I get time to. I would think is it not a real competitive advantage to have STI bearings on your car. Stock class I could see it being a issue.

Does the 08 WRX have a bearing hub system like the 05 STI or do they still use the old non-replaceable hubs?

Thanks for your thoughts.
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:37 PM   #5
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the ring is easy. use a little cold to your advantage and chill the rings first. pack the end of the axle in ice while ya do, then slip the rings on, if you can't get them all the way on (probably likely) then make sure they're straight, and stick the axle through the knuckle and use the main axle nut to pull the axle through, and by proxy, push the ring into place.

went smoothly for me.
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Old 12-17-2007, 03:12 PM   #6
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The 5X114 yes is nice but it really is not an issue for I have three sets of 5x100 wheels.

I will be doing the work myself I have fixed two of the three that have gone bad in the past. What about the ABS ring is that hard to deal with in the swap?

I would not think they would really boot you out of a AutoX class though. I use to run STX and think every now and then about running again if I get time to. I would think is it not a real competitive advantage to have STI bearings on your car. Stock class I could see it being a issue.

Does the 08 WRX have a bearing hub system like the 05 STI or do they still use the old non-replaceable hubs?

Thanks for your thoughts.
I believe the 08 uses an integrated hub/bearing in 5x100 like they've been doing in the new LGT.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:00 PM   #7
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Not sure about cold. I heated the rings up with a propane torch. Got them to smoke, picked the ring up with a cooking mit and it slipped right onto the end of the axle. I initially tried both pressing and using the axle nut to pull it together but, it actually raised up a metal ring on the inside of the spacer so, I can't recommend that method.

The change is pretty invisible from the outside. As long as you stick to stock camber, it doesn't give you a performance advantage.
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:51 AM   #8
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ya know, i'm not sure if hot or cold would really work better.
Cold will get the metal to shrink, overall, which might leave a bigger opening (due to overall contracting, in and out-side diameter), or a smaller one (due to the majority of metal contracting uniformly inward...). Heat kinda presents the same issues.

I'm sure some chemist/physicist/engineer on here could tell us which is better.

I know, however, chilling the axle stubs will help for sure. Cold is the way to go there. Maybe the old standby: heat one, chill the other?
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:30 PM   #9
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If the LGT and 08 WRXs have this setup can I get everything from the dealler? It would be easy to get replacement hubs in 100X5 then.

With the heat or cold I should be able to make it work. Thanks
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Old 12-18-2007, 02:12 PM   #10
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Yeah, LGT knuckls and hub are about $160 per side. It's not clear to me if the stut part fits or how you're going to get the drive axles to mate up. I know the brakes work though since I have LGT brakes on my car now.

If you could buy just the 6gun spacer and ABS tone ring, you might be able to get this setup to work.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:38 PM   #11
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Do we have any info that says the 5x100 integrated unit from the 08 is any better than previous years yet?
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:40 PM   #12
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It looks like the LGT integrated hub is the same as the STI one. I can't imagine subaru switching to the newer style in 08 but, not also upgrading it. Well crap, does that mean I could have just bought off the shelf LGT hubs and spindles and bolted them on?
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It looks like the LGT integrated hub is the same as the STI one. I can't imagine subaru switching to the newer style in 08 but, not also upgrading it. Well crap, does that mean I could have just bought off the shelf LGT hubs and spindles and bolted them on?
You could have, but I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade. Word has it that the LGT bearing is still much smaller than the 05+ STi bearing.
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^^^That's what I thought as well.
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:16 PM   #15
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Kind of surprises me that it's not the same as the STI since the LGT is significantly heavier than the Impreza. The LGT has the STI tranny too doesn't it? I'm not willing to spend the money to compare the two though. I like the 6gun kit but, wouldn't mind having an alternate source of new hubs without having to get them machined to 5x100.
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:25 PM   #16
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Easiest way is to compare part #'s for new bearings wouldn't it? If the bearing part # is the same then the hubs are most likely the same as well.
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The problem from an internet stand point is, I don't seem to be able to get AT the part numbers from the subaru parts places online. For a honda, I can do that day in and day out because the honda places list real part #s.

Subaru sells the hubs and bearings as an integrated unit.
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Maybe we can get Tristan or one of the other Subaru OEM guys to check it out for us.
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Can someone just take a pic of the LGT front hub and spindle? A 08 would be great also but harder to find. just a clear shot with the wheel and rotor off. I look for one but could not find one.
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The problem from an internet stand point is, I don't seem to be able to get AT the part numbers from the subaru parts places online. For a honda, I can do that day in and day out because the honda places list real part #s.

Subaru sells the hubs and bearings as an integrated unit.
That's why i like this site...

http://www.subarupartsforyou.com/cp_...g%2C+Hub+Front
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:03 PM   #21
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Wow love that site.


28373AG01A - LGT Front hub and bearing
28373FE000 - STI Front hub and bearing
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So they are definitely not the same. Rules out that option.
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:23 PM   #23
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Wow love that site.


28373AG01A - LGT Front hub and bearing
28373FE000 - STI Front hub and bearing
yep, you can do a lot of cross referencing part numbers for different years there. (they don't list all parts though)
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:13 AM   #24
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Yeah, they have nothing on the 08's yet. Just because the part number is different doesn't mean it won't work though. I'm just not interested in being the test dummy.
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Be careful using that site for part numbers. They are using the same picture for 04 and the 05-07 front hubs then on the wheel bearing page they are showing the same wheel bearing for 04 thru 07 STI's. But never the less it is good for a reference. My 6Gun kit is on order because I to got tired of changing front bearings. And if I have a spare hub/bearing cartridge I can change it at the track to get home. Last year it was going to cost me $600 to get my car home until someone stepped up with AAA+ towing service. For all you track junkies it is a great deal after the 1st year they will tow your car up to 100 miles for free. I'm lucky as it is only 125 miles to either Laguna Seca or Thunderhill with Infineon only being 35 miles away.
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