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Old 01-02-2008, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default Do not buy a Prelude 4ws as a track car.

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Neon ACRs used to dominate the FWD showroom stock classes. Not sure about now.

Miatas. CRX si's. Prelude's with 4WS. I think a turbo sprint would be fun.
DO NOT BUY A PRELUDE 4WS AS A TRACK CAR!
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DO NOT BUY A PRELUDE 4WS AS A TRACK CAR!
Roger that. I had a 92 SI for a number of years and know about the 4WS issue.
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Why? Any reason?
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Why? Any reason?
As I recall, the Prelde 4WS actually changes directions relative to the front wheels depending on speed. So if you hit that transition point during a turn, all of a sudden your rear wheels are changing orientation. Not good.
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My Stealth had that crap. Terrible. It felt like artificial body roll or something.


How about '91-93 Talon/Eclipse/Laser?
The 88-91 prelude was one of the best FWD handling cars ever. In 1989 it out handled everything, including ever porsche, ferrari, lambo, etc.

3G Prelude 4WSs handle amazingly. Why wouldn't they be good track cars?
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plus on a track car (at least on one that most guys here can afford) the fewer things that can break, the better. 4WS on a 10 year old car is asking for trouble.

Layman may I be the first in this thread to recommend a 5mt SVX for track duty. They're bulletproof and have a very low center of mass, making them ideal track performers. They're also exceptionally roomy.
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plus on a track car (at least on one that most guys here can afford) the fewer things that can break, the better. 4WS on a 10 year old car is asking for trouble.

Layman may I be the first in this thread to recommend a 5mt SVX for track duty. They're bulletproof and have a very low center of mass, making them ideal track performers. They're also exceptionally roomy.
But the 4ws in a 3g Prelude is all mechanical. It doesn't really have anything to fail whatsoever. It's made by honda. Over on the lude forums, I've never heard of anybody have any problems with it, ever. :|

What exactly do you think goes wrong with it?
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The 88-91 prelude was one of the best FWD handling cars ever. In 1989 it out handled everything, including ever porsche, ferrari, lambo, etc.

But the 4ws in a 3g Prelude is all mechanical. It doesn't really have anything to fail whatsoever.
... you seriously live in opposite-of-reality world. You continue to outdo yourself with every dumb statement you make.

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I sees it, and I chuckles.
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But the 4ws in a 3g Prelude is all mechanical. It doesn't really have anything to fail whatsoever. It's made by honda. Over on the lude forums, I've never heard of anybody have any problems with it, ever. :|

What exactly do you think goes wrong with it?
other than it weighs a bajillion pounds and can't keep up at track speeds? it's useless, expensive to maintain and just not a good idea for a track car
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But the 4ws in a 3g Prelude is all mechanical. It doesn't really have anything to fail whatsoever. It's made by honda. Over on the lude forums, I've never heard of anybody have any problems with it, ever. :|

What exactly do you think goes wrong with it?
Then why aren't 4WS Preludes out there on the club racing circuits, dominating? Are you under the impression that if something is purely mechanical, it has no ability to break down?
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Dude. You are smoking crack. It weighs 2600lbs. It's quite fast. It costs dick to maintain. The 4ws system lasts pretty much the life of the car, and the ONLY thing that could possibly wear out on it are the tie-rods in the rear.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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Then why aren't 4WS Preludes out there on the club racing circuits, dominating? Are you under the impression that if something is purely mechanical, it has no ability to break down?
Beats me. I've heard they're in the same class as Mazdaspeed3s and MiniCooperS's.
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I am now thoroughly convinced: BoondockSVX is fully aware of what an ass he sounds like and he just continues as such because he is amused at our reactions.
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Or I just get annoyed when people start talking about **** they have zero knowledge of.

"In 1987, Road & Track published a test summary that shows the 1988 Honda Prelude 2.0Si 4WS out slalomed every car of that year, including all Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and Porsches. It went through the slalom at 65.5 mph (105 km/h), an amazing result for the time. For reference, the 1988 Corvette took the same course at 64.9 mph (104 km/h).
The Prelude was Wheels magazine's Car of the Year for 1987."
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Then why aren't 4WS Preludes out there on the club racing circuits, dominating? Are you under the impression that if something is purely mechanical, it has no ability to break down?
Not that I think it's a good idea for a track/rather than a-x car, but in many popular road racing classes the 4WS cars are not legal, where the 2WS versions are.
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I am now thoroughly convinced: BoondockSVX is fully aware of what an ass he sounds like and he just continues as such because he is amused at our reactions.
srsly.

He's like a troll... that's been here for 3+ years.
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Or I just get annoyed when people start talking about **** they have zero knowledge of.
Uh... hi. Kettle? You're black.

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Beats me. I've heard they're in the same class as Mazdaspeed3s and MiniCooperS's.
Please, on master of the automobile, define what "class" you speak of here.
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Dude. You are smoking crack. It weighs 2600lbs. It's quite fast. It costs dick to maintain. The 4ws system lasts pretty much the life of the car, and the ONLY thing that could possibly wear out on it are the tie-rods in the rear.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
135hp is not fast PERIOD

how much does a non 4ws car weigh? and it can't keep up at track speeds (it essentially does nothing)

I'm a honda fan boi and know enough that you don't buy one of these as a cheap track car......
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Dude. You are smoking crack. It weighs 2600lbs. It's quite fast. It costs dick to maintain. The 4ws system lasts pretty much the life of the car, and the ONLY thing that could possibly wear out on it are the tie-rods in the rear.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Trollin, trollin, trollin
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Hey ****ers...

SHUT UP AND GET OUT OF MY THREAD.
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I am now thoroughly convinced: BoondockSVX is fully aware of what an ass he sounds like and he just continues as such because he is amused at our reactions.
Can we nominate this for his subtitle? I.E: Jard- Dr. Lock; Alacrity- Review crew.

Is that too long in the land of subtitles?
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135hp is not fast PERIOD

how much does a non 4ws car weigh? and it can't keep up at track speeds (it essentially does nothing)

I'm a honda fan boi and know enough that you don't buy one of these as a cheap track car......
135hp isn't fast? Then I guess you can't consider a Miata, Civic, Integra, Neon, etc either.


1989 Honda Prelude 4WS MT 2641
1989 Honda Prelude Si MT 2612

Ooooo a whole 29 lbs. Gee, sure weighs it down.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.
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Can we nominate this for his subtitle? I.E: Jard- Dr. Lock; Alacrity- Review crew.

Is that too long in the land of subtitles?
what about "Visiting NASIOC Timeout"




anyway back on-topic.. the more i think about it, the more i like the idea of an MR2 as a track car. in addition to the handling and weight balance afforded by the mid-mounted engine, you get the added bonus of being able to front-end the tirewall and not worry about damaging your motor!
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135hp isn't fast? Then I guess you can't consider a Miata, Civic, Integra, Neon, etc either.


1989 Honda Prelude 4WS MT 2641
1989 Honda Prelude Si MT 2612

Ooooo a whole 29 lbs. Gee, sure weighs it down.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.
i think what he was getting at is "the prelude isn't exactly a lightweight car, with or without 4ws"


but you knew that
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