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Old 01-08-2008, 11:31 AM   #26
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what i'm failing to see is the crux of wrxsti.l's desire to have an "enginuity" open source project flourishing.

what exactly does the current revision lack? what exactly is he looking to do? it's never been stated, and from my perspective he's making much ado about nothing in particular.
He wants Launch Control. Duh. But any one of the other missing features mentioned in post # 3 above would do.

Development of Enginuity, except for some wideband logging integration, effectively ceased nearly a year ago, long before the website went away. I, too, am very disappointed with the recent pace of development. Who isn't?

And now software developers like wrxsti.l, DocDetroit and others are looking to step in and help out with the Java development. But, without help from qoncept, I doubt they'll get very far and qoncept himself disappeared in November.

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The site issue is not the fault of any of the devs or the creator (Jared), nor is it possible to solve the problem by moving it to a different host (a lot of people have already offered free hosting but this not solve anything). We can't discuss what the dispute is, as this would compromise what was near resolved (last time I was able to get ahold of Jared, anyway). Meaning that if the details were revealed, you can pretty much guarantee that there will be no more Enginuity site. As I have said before, this has nothing to do with intellectual property and has nothing to do with any tuning companies, such as Cobb and Ecutek, where it could be said that Enginuity might compete with them to some degree. Enginuity is not being bought out either, as far as I know.
In the thread at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1384505, qoncept explained that the Enginuity website outage was due to "technical problems." Given all the trademarks and domain names out there which incorporate the word Enginuity, I'd guess the technical problems, which shut down the site, prevent it from moving and require sensitive negotiations to correct, arose in the form of a cease and desist letter. Just something to think about in case anyone is considering starting a SourceForge project or something in order to get Enginuity development back on track.
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:24 PM   #27
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In the thread at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1384505, qoncept explained that the Enginuity website outage was due to "technical problems." Given all the trademarks and domain names out there which incorporate the word Enginuity, I'd guess the technical problems, which shut down the site, prevent it from moving and require sensitive negotiations to correct, arose in the form of a cease and desist letter. Just something to think about in case anyone is considering starting a SourceForge project or something in order to get Enginuity development back on track.

It has already been said that it wasn't actually due to technical reasons, and lots of people have offered to host it. I guess the community at large would have appreciated a standup answer of 'we are having legal difficulties, please stand by' or something similar. It would certainly help any future developers that may want to hop on. Personally, I've done alot of java gui work in a past life but have avoided even looking at enginuity do the closed nature of the project. (Thankfully I don't have to look at java any more though! php/perl/and c# on the client graphical side of things)
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Old 01-08-2008, 05:48 PM   #28
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He wants Launch Control. Duh. But any one of the other missing features mentioned in post # 3 above would do.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:49 PM   #29
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The current issue with the site is not the fault of the guys in charge and has nothing to do with any action or lack of action that has been taken by them. As far as development of Enginuity, it is entirely up to how many developers are willing to contribute. You can't fault the developers who have taken the project as far as it has. They just don't have time to work on it anymore due to changes in their personal lives. I don't think the Enginuity site will be permanently down, but it has been awhile since I heard any more news.
Well, I'll say this is somewhat BS. Not this post in particular, just with at least how I view the entire situation.

*Please note, I have no beef with you in particular*

This is a touchy note as I know I've asked a few people for the latest version of the Enginuity source and posted as much a number of times.

No one answered. Have I pissed people off? I offered to implement further features. I know this is bigger than myself... but "Come on." "Daddys not coming or anything!" A little bit of communication with those that spent hours on Enginuity would have been classy.

I had a new gui ready to go, full support for the UTEC, Tuner Pro integrated mostly, AEM wideband ready to be added and a suite of data smoothing algos that didn't need the *cough* rather experimental 3D util I added (which was to be replaced with a full OpenGL version)

In any case Enginuty is dead to me. Drama llama

On the flip side, after dealing with Java outside of the distributed applications and web applications world, its too *mucky* for me for the desktop arena. Its actually a pain in the ass.

I started another project in C++ a week ago that uses components made for easy compilation on Mac, Linux and Windows. I'm not sure what to do with it yet. Rom editing should be done in another week as after I completed all the ROM editing nonsense, I've found myself hacking at GUI aesthetics. Why? I wanted to learn more about how to *hack* ROMs. I suppose ECU Flash code is available technically, but I've never seen a steady easy way to get it. I also needed to get some native coding experience on my Mac.

FWIW with a couple days coding tieing the ROM parsing code to the GUI remaining. EDIT: Maybe a week

Simple Tune (after a search on the web for competing product names.) Yes, it compiles on Linux and Windows as well and its faster than Java. I suppose I'll release some test builds when I have a solid build system. Its simple and not feature filled though and is probably of limited interest outside of my world.

My reason for posting about this, maybe another option.... In any case its an amusing pet project at this point.

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Anyhoo, I've started digging through what is available and who knows - something fresh may already be in the making
Maybe
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:57 PM   #31
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Tgui, that's freakin awesome man, way to go!
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Old 01-09-2008, 01:29 AM   #32
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LOL @ the about box.

You say you made a bunch of improvements to Enginuity - why not release your version?
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I'm willing to help out as much as I can with this.

Lately I've been poking around various IDE's, IDA, and just reading up on any technical info on openecu and osecuroms I can find trying to get a better grasp on how everything involved works.

I'm no 'developer' , but I do have some basic code knowledge and plenty of advanced computing knowledge. I also have a metric ton of spare time to work with, and I'm a fairly quick learner.

If anyone wants to help me help you, drop me a line.
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Old 01-09-2008, 06:41 AM   #34
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eric: good riddance to java. i never liked it in the first place.

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fwiw, if ppl need a copy of a disassembler, send me an email.
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Old 01-09-2008, 07:44 AM   #35
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Well, I'll say this is somewhat BS. Not this post in particular, just with at least how I view the entire situation.

*Please note, I have no beef with you in particular*

This is a touchy note as I know I've asked a few people for the latest version of the Enginuity source and posted as much a number of times.
Well, I don't have it otherwise I would give it to you (I have no need for it). Have you tried contacting Paul?
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Old 01-09-2008, 08:04 AM   #36
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LOL @ the about box.

You say you made a bunch of improvements to Enginuity - why not release your version?
About box: LOL yeah, I needed a string in there of sorts to test. Trust me, the program is about as complete as it looks haha. And no, its not telemarketed sp?

Improvements: They're in the source

The refactor? In there because of me. Not used because someone wouldn't sack up and implement a "Rom Tuning Entity" interface. The ROM modifying code is too goddamned coupled to the GUI for me to decipher, so the person that wrote it was to implement. Jonin[CT], how much did I bitch about all this?

As I remember its all under the NEWGui package, so have at it
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Old 01-09-2008, 08:08 AM   #37
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eric: good riddance to java. i never liked it in the first place.

ken

fwiw, if ppl need a copy of a disassembler, send me an email.
Hey hey hey! Java rules! For the right application. As a matter of fact, I think Enginuity would rule using a new GUI all together. QT has Java bindings now and would probably make for a killer speed upgrade to Enginuity.

But man, I'm having some fun with C/C++
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:51 AM   #38
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Count me in as someone who could contribute - I just found enginuity a few weeks ago after I read through the 2007 sti down in compression thread. Its a shame that it seems that development on it has slowed over the last year. Regardless I think its a great program the way it sits now.

I know C/C++ and Java, I've even used that RxTx library that was mentioned iirc.
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Old 01-09-2008, 12:23 PM   #39
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I would love to contribute if you are using C/C++. I used to work as a C programmer many many years ago. It'll give me a reason to start programming again.

It would be cool to implement some of the functions from AirBoy's interpolation spreadsheet into the tuning software / datalogger.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:37 AM   #40
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If hosting is a issue I can host it on a very high bandwidth well connected server at no charge. as a Tuner I want to see real time tuning so bad I can taste it as its a pain in the ass on the dyno.


LC would be nice but a feature I want is the ability top compare lots of tables and copy them quickly.

Exmaple. I've got my base stage 2 map. I want to make a stage 2 from that for say a 04. The tables I'm changing are the same but I got to copy them all by hand and it can take upwards to an hour.
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6+ people willing to help, and a free host? Lets roll.

Another nice feature for the hacks could be a logic that switches or scales maps based on an on/off or flow sensor signal from meth/water injection. Not sure what you could use as an input though..
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:03 PM   #42
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Ok well how about this:

Since there are more than enough WILLING developers to keep this going, then there is absolutely no reason that they keep the site going.

Whoever posted above about offering free hosting then, be a hero, do it.

You don't need the original dev's anymore, right?
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:45 PM   #43
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The bigger loss is the forums and all the data in them. The software is easy to distrbute, as has been proven lately. It's the massed knowledge of the tuning community that's hard to do without.
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The bigger loss is the forums and all the data in them. The software is easy to distrbute, as has been proven lately. It's the massed knowledge of the tuning community that's hard to do without.
I would kill to get some of those threads back Some awesome data there...
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Has anyone asked the old forum admin for a backup, or if one exists?

If there is an issue with privacy, I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to strip it of usernames and IP's and use member numbers or something.

I just started getting into enginuity, opensource, and refreshing myself on code, right before it went down... sucks to have just a taste of what was on there.
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Has anyone asked the old forum admin for a backup, or if one exists?

My guess is doubtful that we will see anything ever come about from enguinity again, including the old site and forums. there probably is some $$$ exchanging hands right now.
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Ok well how about this:

Since there are more than enough WILLING developers to keep this going, then there is absolutely no reason that they keep the site going.

Whoever posted above about offering free hosting then, be a hero, do it.

You don't need the original dev's anymore, right?
Before any more time is invested in "Enginuity," it is my legal/common sense opinion that it would be wise to figure out at least some idea what issue got the plug pulled on the old site. Pushing forward with "Enginuity" otherwise would be foolish and could result in another site being lost down the road.

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My guess is doubtful that we will see anything ever come about from enguinity again, including the old site and forums. there probably is some $$$ exchanging hands right now.


Like I said before, it is a dispute that needs to be resolved. The dispute is with another company (NOT Cobb or Ecutek) and it does NOT involve IP. Mentioning the details such as the company would end any chance at a resolution and you can kiss the Enginuity site goodbye for certain.

I'm not involved in the discussion with this company. I only know what Jared has told me. I haven't been able to get in contact with him lately (I've only talked with him via email in the past), but I know he was in the process of moving and staying at someone else's house who didn't have internet access and that his primary computer was in storage. He's also starting another job while trying to sell his old house. So, this might have something to do with the progress and lack of info. I don't know.
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Save your breath- you've given the same information out multiple times and some people just don't seem to get it. I guess there will always be a need to create drama.

Let me try now....I heard the site was sold to a Russian company that writes applications that crack passwords using Nvidia GPUs. They decided that they wanted to start hacking ECUs now......

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Like I said before, it is a dispute that needs to be resolved. The dispute is with another company (NOT Cobb or Ecutek) and it does NOT involve IP. Mentioning the details such as the company would end any chance at a resolution and you can kiss the Enginuity site goodbye for certain.

I'm not involved in the discussion with this company. I only know what Jared has told me. I haven't been able to get in contact with him lately (I've only talked with him via email in the past), but I know he was in the process of moving and staying at someone else's house who didn't have internet access and that his primary computer was in storage. He's also starting another job while trying to sell his old house. So, this might have something to do with the progress and lack of info. I don't know.
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Save your breath- you've given the same information out multiple times and some people just don't seem to get it. I guess there will always be a need to create drama.

Let me try now....I heard the site was sold to a Russian company that writes applications that crack passwords using Nvidia GPUs. They decided that they wanted to start hacking ECUs now......
WTF, ATI is better!
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