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Old 01-07-2008, 06:45 PM   #1
chanders
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 131319
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: International
Vehicle:
2003 JDM STI
World Rally Blue

Default Stuttering while knocking

Hey guys,
This is my first foray into tuning etc. Whilst doing a third gear and fourth gear pull, the car felt like it was "missing" or "skipping" and was kinda "jerky" (hope I described that correctly).
I have attached both logs for third and fourth. I can see where there was knocking occurring but I really cant tell why. Any ideas? Thanks!

Sorry for the mix of Metric and Imperial, we're kinda crazy down here

Third Gear
Code:
Time,A/F Sensor #1 (AFR),Coolant Temperature (C),Engine Load (Calculated) (2*g/rev),Engine Speed (rpm),Feedback Knock Correction* (degrees),Fine Learning Knock Correction* (degrees),IAM (Ignition Advance Multiplier)* (raw ecu value),Ignition Timing (Total) (degrees),Injector Duty Cycle (%),Intake Air Temperature (C),Intake VVT Advance Angle Left (degrees),Intake VVT Advance Angle Right (degrees),Knock Correction Advance (degrees),Manifold Relative Pressure (Corrected) (psi),Mass Airflow (g/s),Primary Wastegate Duty Cycle (%),Throttle Opening Angle (%),Vehicle Speed (kph),Knock Signal 1 (On/Off)
0,15.16,89,1.14,1316,0.00,0.00,16,30.00,3.93,42,7.00,7.00,0.00,-4.93,12.33,20.00,6.27,22,0
281,14.81,90,1.96,1352,0.00,0.00,16,30.00,5.19,42,8.00,7.00,0.00,-2.76,22.05,25.88,16.86,22,0
578,12.86,90,1.82,1438,0.00,0.00,16,29.00,6.44,42,11.00,13.00,7.00,-0.15,22.01,32.94,40.00,22,0
859,14.13,90,1.87,1507,0.00,0.00,16,29.50,7.07,42,15.00,21.00,9.50,0.29,23.48,39.22,61.18,24,0
1141,13.44,90,1.88,1606,0.00,0.00,16,30.50,7.79,42,22.00,30.00,11.50,0.58,25.39,47.84,75.29,24,0
1437,13.55,90,1.95,1692,0.00,0.00,16,30.50,8.30,41,27.00,40.00,13.50,0.73,28.31,56.08,78.43,25,0
1719,12.40,90,2.04,1769,0.00,0.00,16,31.00,9.06,41,36.00,45.00,15.00,1.16,30.02,70.20,99.22,25,0
2047,12.98,90,2.07,1898,0.00,0.00,16,32.00,9.72,41,45.00,45.00,16.00,1.31,32.14,82.75,100.00,28,0
2328,12.63,90,2.12,2028,0.00,0.00,16,32.00,10.56,41,45.00,45.00,16.00,1.60,35.36,89.80,100.00,30,0
2609,12.86,90,2.07,2089,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,11.14,41,46.00,45.00,16.00,1.89,35.97,89.80,100.00,30,0
2906,12.98,90,2.09,2174,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,11.60,41,45.00,44.00,16.00,2.03,37.88,89.80,100.00,32,0
3187,12.98,90,2.12,2285,0.00,0.00,16,33.50,12.67,41,45.00,44.00,16.00,2.32,41.57,89.80,100.00,35,0
3484,13.32,90,2.18,2410,0.00,0.00,16,34.00,13.37,41,46.00,45.00,16.00,2.61,43.81,89.80,100.00,35,0
3766,13.09,90,2.27,2521,0.00,0.00,16,34.00,14.95,41,44.00,45.00,16.00,2.90,46.22,89.80,100.00,38,0
4047,12.86,90,2.45,2628,0.00,0.00,16,34.00,15.69,41,45.00,45.00,16.00,3.34,51.09,89.80,100.00,38,0
4344,13.21,90,2.43,2749,0.00,0.00,16,34.00,17.01,41,46.00,45.00,16.00,3.92,55.74,89.80,100.00,42,0
4625,12.86,90,2.65,2894,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,19.14,40,46.00,45.00,16.00,4.35,63.66,87.45,100.00,44,0
4922,12.52,90,2.75,3048,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,21.46,40,45.00,45.00,16.00,5.37,69.74,83.92,100.00,44,0
5203,12.29,90,2.90,3184,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,24.09,40,45.00,45.00,16.00,6.38,76.35,81.96,100.00,48,0
5500,12.06,90,3.12,3383,0.00,-1.05,16,30.50,28.14,40,46.00,45.00,15.00,7.69,89.51,79.22,100.00,48,0
5781,11.48,90,3.54,3407,0.00,-1.05,16,28.00,31.98,40,46.00,45.00,15.00,10.01,100.43,76.86,100.00,51,0
6062,11.25,90,3.95,3718,0.00,-3.52,16,22.00,39.76,40,46.00,45.00,12.50,12.62,131.33,74.90,100.00,56,0
6359,11.25,90,4.48,3856,0.00,0.00,16,22.50,51.00,39,45.00,44.00,14.00,17.27,146.62,74.90,100.00,56,0
6641,11.25,90,4.72,4047,0.00,-5.27,16,19.50,56.99,39,45.00,44.00,10.00,19.73,159.25,77.25,100.00,60,0
6937,11.25,90,4.78,4348,0.00,-5.27,16,16.50,57.50,39,45.00,44.00,9.50,20.02,160.73,79.22,100.00,60,0
7219,11.37,90,4.57,4723,0.00,-4.92,16,26.00,60.45,39,42.00,42.00,14.00,19.15,179.68,82.35,100.00,66,0
7516,11.25,90,4.81,4896,0.00,-4.92,16,22.00,66.11,38,38.00,38.00,8.00,19.88,189.10,85.88,100.00,72,0
7797,11.25,90,4.67,5102,0.00,-3.87,16,23.50,68.57,38,35.00,35.00,8.00,19.15,200.97,89.80,100.00,72,0
8078,11.25,90,4.57,5392,0.00,-3.87,16,22.50,71.31,38,29.00,31.00,6.00,18.57,205.23,89.80,100.00,79,0
8375,11.25,90,4.66,5576,0.00,0.00,16,24.00,73.75,38,27.00,28.00,8.00,18.43,216.61,89.80,100.00,86,0
8672,11.25,90,4.63,5846,0.00,0.00,16,25.00,77.32,38,26.00,27.00,8.00,18.14,225.70,89.80,100.00,86,0
8953,11.25,90,4.48,6073,0.00,-2.11,16,23.00,77.73,37,21.00,23.00,6.00,17.41,226.95,89.80,100.00,93,0
9234,11.25,90,4.44,6308,0.00,-2.11,16,25.50,78.05,37,19.00,20.00,8.00,16.98,233.15,89.80,100.00,93,0
9531,11.25,90,4.35,6482,0.00,-2.11,16,27.00,78.82,37,8.00,10.00,10.00,16.25,234.84,89.80,100.00,100,0
9812,11.25,90,4.20,6690,0.00,-2.11,16,30.50,77.87,37,10.00,13.00,12.00,16.11,232.32,89.80,100.00,106,0
10109,11.25,90,4.07,6893,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,79.41,37,12.00,13.00,16.00,16.25,234.00,89.80,100.00,106,0
10391,11.25,90,4.02,7042,0.00,0.00,16,34.00,78.12,36,8.00,9.00,16.00,16.40,236.14,89.80,100.00,112,0
10672,11.25,90,3.92,7267,0.00,0.00,16,34.50,78.37,36,4.00,5.00,16.00,16.25,234.60,89.80,100.00,112,0
10969,11.25,91,3.83,7470,0.00,0.00,16,34.50,79.68,36,4.00,7.00,16.00,16.54,238.45,89.80,100.00,117,0
11250,11.25,91,3.76,7545,0.00,0.00,16,34.50,78.87,36,3.00,4.00,16.00,16.40,236.28,89.80,100.00,123,0
11547,11.25,91,3.63,7804,0.00,0.00,16,35.00,79.92,36,3.00,4.00,16.00,16.40,235.85,89.80,100.00,123,0
11828,11.25,91,3.60,7828,0.00,0.00,16,36.00,78.49,35,5.00,9.00,16.00,16.40,234.60,89.80,100.00,128,0
12109,11.25,91,0.34,7812,0.00,0.00,16,27.50,0.00,35,8.00,9.00,0.00,-1.74,22.27,0.00,0.00,128,0
12406,15.85,91,0.33,7075,0.00,0.00,16,11.50,0.00,35,3.00,5.00,0.00,-9.43,19.50,0.00,0.00,132,0
12687,25.27,91,0.40,6260,0.00,0.00,16,28.00,0.00,35,4.00,4.00,0.00,-10.16,21.12,0.00,0.00,135,0
12984,24.69,91,0.43,5514,0.00,0.00,16,28.00,0.00,35,3.00,5.00,0.00,-10.30,20.70,0.00,0.00,135,0
Fourth Gear
Code:
Time,A/F Sensor #1 (AFR),Coolant Temperature (C),Engine Load (Calculated) (2*g/rev),Engine Speed (rpm),Feedback Knock Correction* (degrees),Fine Learning Knock Correction* (degrees),IAM (Ignition Advance Multiplier)* (raw ecu value),Ignition Timing (Total) (degrees),Injector Duty Cycle (%),Intake Air Temperature (C),Intake VVT Advance Angle Left (degrees),Intake VVT Advance Angle Right (degrees),Knock Correction Advance (degrees),Manifold Relative Pressure (Corrected) (psi),Mass Airflow (g/s),Primary Wastegate Duty Cycle (%),Throttle Opening Angle (%),Vehicle Speed (kph),Knock Signal 1 (On/Off)
0,14.59,92,0.94,1840,0.00,0.00,16,36.50,4.71,36,2.00,3.00,0.00,-6.38,14.58,20.00,6.67,31,0
281,14.47,92,0.96,1862,0.00,0.00,16,36.50,4.78,36,3.00,4.00,0.00,-6.24,14.99,20.00,6.67,30,0
578,14.24,92,0.96,1879,0.00,0.00,16,36.50,4.81,36,3.00,4.00,0.00,-6.24,15.05,20.00,6.67,31,0
875,14.24,92,0.94,1915,0.00,0.00,16,36.50,4.90,36,3.00,4.00,0.00,-6.24,14.99,20.00,7.06,31,0
1156,14.47,92,0.97,1928,0.00,0.00,16,36.50,4.94,36,3.00,4.00,0.00,-6.09,15.35,20.00,7.06,32,0
1437,13.55,92,1.13,1976,0.00,0.00,16,37.00,5.90,36,5.00,6.00,0.00,-4.64,18.53,20.00,9.80,32,0
1734,14.24,92,1.15,2006,0.00,0.00,16,37.00,5.94,36,9.00,10.00,0.00,-4.64,19.57,20.00,9.80,33,0
2015,14.01,92,0.83,2027,0.00,0.00,16,37.50,4.32,36,9.00,11.00,0.00,-7.40,8.82,0.00,0.00,34,0
2297,13.21,92,0.37,1941,0.00,0.00,16,25.00,0.00,36,6.00,6.00,0.00,-10.16,5.95,0.00,0.00,34,0
2594,23.20,92,0.45,1553,0.00,0.00,16,21.00,0.00,36,2.00,3.00,0.00,-10.30,10.50,20.00,4.71,34,0
2875,13.44,92,1.86,1737,0.00,0.00,16,9.50,7.04,36,2.00,2.00,0.00,-2.61,26.95,26.27,17.25,34,0
3172,12.63,92,1.89,1632,0.00,0.00,16,30.50,8.20,36,10.00,17.00,9.00,0.00,26.44,39.22,34.90,35,0
3453,13.32,92,2.00,1674,0.00,0.00,16,23.00,8.21,36,16.00,27.00,13.00,0.73,26.74,45.49,68.63,35,0
3734,13.32,92,2.00,1708,0.00,0.00,16,30.50,8.74,36,23.00,42.00,15.00,1.16,28.42,58.04,100.00,35,0
4031,12.63,92,2.11,1772,0.00,0.00,16,31.00,8.74,36,31.00,46.00,15.50,1.31,30.45,70.20,100.00,36,0
4328,13.09,92,2.09,1809,0.00,0.00,16,31.00,9.65,36,41.00,45.00,16.00,1.60,31.46,82.35,100.00,38,0
4609,12.40,92,2.03,1891,0.00,0.00,16,31.50,9.89,36,47.00,45.00,16.00,1.89,32.72,89.80,100.00,38,0
4890,12.52,92,2.11,1938,0.00,0.00,16,31.50,10.33,36,45.00,45.00,16.00,2.03,34.27,89.80,100.00,40,0
5187,12.86,92,2.17,1977,0.00,0.00,16,32.00,10.97,36,45.00,45.00,16.00,2.32,35.72,89.80,100.00,40,0
5469,12.86,92,2.10,2056,0.00,0.00,16,32.50,10.96,36,46.00,45.00,16.00,2.47,36.69,89.80,100.00,42,0
5765,13.09,92,2.21,2117,0.00,0.00,16,32.50,11.74,36,45.00,45.00,16.00,2.61,39.02,89.80,100.00,44,0
6047,12.52,92,2.21,2188,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,12.06,36,45.00,45.00,16.00,2.90,39.01,89.80,100.00,44,0
6328,12.52,92,2.17,2263,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,12.55,36,45.00,44.00,16.00,3.05,41.71,89.80,100.00,46,0
6625,12.52,92,2.24,2310,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,13.30,35,45.00,44.00,16.00,3.19,43.21,89.80,100.00,46,0
6906,12.52,92,2.34,2402,0.00,0.00,16,33.50,13.97,35,45.00,44.00,16.00,3.48,46.25,89.80,100.00,49,0
7203,12.75,92,2.36,2437,0.00,0.00,16,33.50,14.56,35,45.00,45.00,16.00,3.77,48.03,89.80,100.00,51,0
7484,12.52,92,2.50,2506,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,15.50,35,44.00,45.00,16.00,4.06,52.16,89.80,100.00,51,0
7765,12.63,92,2.52,2604,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,16.67,35,45.00,45.00,16.00,4.50,55.53,89.80,100.00,53,0
8062,12.86,92,2.62,2658,0.00,0.00,16,33.00,17.58,35,45.00,45.00,16.00,4.93,58.14,89.80,100.00,53,0
8344,12.75,92,2.69,2734,0.00,0.00,16,32.00,18.66,35,45.00,45.00,16.00,5.51,62.93,89.80,100.00,56,0
8640,12.63,92,2.78,2802,0.00,0.00,16,31.50,20.33,35,46.00,45.00,16.00,6.09,67.39,89.80,100.00,59,0
8922,12.17,92,2.97,2901,0.00,0.00,16,31.00,22.28,35,45.00,45.00,16.00,6.96,71.80,86.67,100.00,59,0
9219,12.06,92,3.12,2992,0.00,-1.05,16,29.50,24.77,35,46.00,45.00,15.00,7.69,80.54,84.71,100.00,62,0
9500,11.94,92,3.41,3110,0.00,-1.05,16,29.50,27.87,35,46.00,46.00,15.00,9.14,88.27,83.14,100.00,65,0
9781,11.83,92,3.61,3210,0.00,-3.52,16,26.00,30.21,35,46.00,45.00,12.50,10.74,99.47,81.57,100.00,65,0
10078,11.25,92,3.88,3312,0.00,-3.52,16,23.00,36.75,35,46.00,45.00,12.50,13.49,112.25,80.00,100.00,68,0
10375,11.25,92,4.57,3438,0.00,-1.76,16,21.00,43.28,34,45.00,45.00,14.00,16.25,130.82,78.04,100.00,68,0
10656,11.25,92,4.94,3564,0.00,-2.11,16,19.00,51.71,34,46.00,45.00,14.00,19.15,146.96,76.47,100.00,72,0
10953,11.25,93,4.99,3651,0.00,-4.22,16,19.00,54.53,34,45.00,44.00,11.50,20.46,151.95,75.69,100.00,76,0
11250,11.25,93,4.90,3916,0.00,-4.92,16,19.00,55.36,34,45.00,45.00,11.00,20.75,155.00,74.90,100.00,76,0
11515,11.25,93,4.76,4030,0.00,-4.92,16,19.00,56.74,34,45.00,44.00,10.50,20.60,162.48,75.69,100.00,80,0
11812,11.25,93,4.73,4202,0.00,-4.57,16,18.00,58.26,34,45.00,44.00,11.00,20.89,165.72,76.08,100.00,80,0
12094,11.25,93,4.81,4230,0.00,-4.57,16,18.00,60.43,34,44.00,44.00,10.50,20.60,175.54,77.65,100.00,86,0
12390,11.25,93,4.89,4472,0.00,-4.22,16,19.00,62.02,34,42.00,42.00,10.50,20.31,182.21,80.00,100.00,91,0
12672,11.25,93,4.76,4780,0.00,-4.22,16,22.00,62.52,34,43.00,43.00,9.50,20.46,175.21,81.57,100.00,91,0
12953,11.25,93,4.89,4673,0.00,-3.87,16,21.00,61.80,34,39.00,37.00,10.00,20.31,174.86,83.14,100.00,97,0
13250,11.25,93,4.99,4690,0.00,-3.52,16,20.50,68.04,34,40.00,37.00,9.00,20.89,195.02,84.71,100.00,97,0
13531,11.25,93,5.23,5154,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,70.22,34,31.00,31.00,5.50,20.31,206.88,85.88,100.00,101,0
13828,11.25,93,4.89,5088,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,72.72,34,35.00,36.00,6.00,20.46,210.00,89.80,100.00,107,0
14109,11.25,93,4.96,5162,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,73.78,34,34.00,29.00,5.00,19.88,213.13,89.80,100.00,107,0
14390,11.25,93,4.76,5403,0.00,0.00,8,20.50,73.77,33,33.00,34.00,5.00,19.59,214.30,89.80,100.00,112,0
14687,11.25,93,4.81,5490,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,77.43,33,31.00,31.00,4.00,19.59,223.34,89.80,100.00,117,0
14969,11.25,93,4.78,5664,0.00,0.00,8,19.50,76.47,33,28.00,28.00,3.50,19.59,228.76,89.80,100.00,117,0
15265,11.25,93,4.73,5725,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,78.17,33,26.00,27.00,3.50,19.15,227.10,89.80,100.00,121,0
15547,11.25,93,4.66,5891,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,77.56,33,27.00,27.00,3.50,19.01,228.71,89.80,100.00,121,0
15828,11.25,93,4.67,6004,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,79.42,33,22.00,22.00,3.50,18.57,233.77,89.80,100.00,125,0
16125,11.25,93,4.57,6097,0.00,0.00,8,20.00,79.28,33,20.00,22.00,3.50,18.14,230.83,89.80,100.00,130,0
16406,11.25,93,4.49,6276,0.00,0.00,8,21.50,80.33,33,18.00,18.00,4.00,17.70,235.02,89.80,100.00,130,0
16703,11.25,93,4.51,6308,0.00,0.00,8,21.50,79.39,33,19.00,20.00,4.50,17.85,237.16,89.80,100.00,134,0
16984,11.25,93,4.44,6372,0.00,0.00,8,21.50,78.84,32,15.00,16.00,4.50,17.56,235.85,89.80,100.00,134,0
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Old 01-07-2008, 07:42 PM   #2
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You should post your car info, mods, tune info, etc...

In my opinion, you're trying to run too much timing and the car doesn't like it.

The knock may or may not be in your logs because most of the timing is being pulled using fine learning knock correction. So, the knock may be here or may have happened when you did a partial throttle drive.

Your 4th gear log, something bad happened between time 12672 and 13531. RPMs actually dropped quite a bit and your IAM dropped from 16 to 8.
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^^ Thanks

Car is a Prodrive Edition 2002 JDM STI EJ207 V7

Only mod really is full decatted turbo-back 3.5" Kakeemotor exhaust
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