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View Poll Results: Which would you choose?
A Road tune... 7 20.00%
A Dyno tune... 5 14.29%
A Road & Dyno tune... 19 54.29%
I do/will do it all myself, but I'm curious what my dyno numbers would be.. 1 2.86%
I wouldnt pay for squat cause I'm cheap lol. 3 8.57%
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:53 AM   #1
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Looking for some opinions - putting together a tuning facility. Most tuning would be done with open source tools, the maps would be yours to keep, ect..

I will have to get everything down to finish cost/benefit analysis and so on, but the goal is to be the most affordable facility in DFW that is open source and do it yourself friendly as well as offer competitive tuning packages.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:06 AM   #2
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Tune on the dyno, verify on the road. Road tuning on open streets is dangerous for the proper gear and load.

Price should be about $400 for an initial tune and $75-$120 per hour for follow up tuning. Anything cheaper is losing money to pay for the dyno you NEED to have.

You'll need a big name, a big mouth or some Subaru experience and proof (track and numbers) before you get customers.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:07 AM   #4
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:08 AM   #5
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Hire Gabe, he'll bring you millions
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:09 AM   #6
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Well, my location is pretty 'road tune' friendly from a speed limit perspective.. so that shouldn't be a big issue.

As of right now I dont think the tunes will run that much - but I'm just trying to get an idea of whats expected.

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Old 01-08-2008, 11:09 AM   #7
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I'd have to shoot myself in the face to deal with all the "Look how awesome I am!" posts.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:09 AM   #8
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Well, I think having someone like Gabe around would be awsome - I dont think he will want to relocate to the Denton area.. and I dont have a relo package
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:13 AM   #9
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Well, my location is pretty 'road tune' friendly from a speed limit perspective.. so that should be a big issue.

As of right now I dont think the tunes will run that much - but I'm just trying to get an idea of whats expected.
Road tuning is a bad idea full time...it's dangerous and risky. If you make a habit of road tuning by the shop then cops will make a habit of sitting outside of it.

The problem with dealing with opensource tuning is that you're pretty much limited in how far you can go. I love the opensource stuff, but it won't work on my car anymore. Big cams, big turbos, MAF-less tuning, etc. You'll have to get the dealers licenses for at least Cobb, probably TXS and a few others just so you have access to the tuning software.

The Dyno is a hefty investment, but if you make it affordable then I'll be on it constantly. Squidz and I are putting together a tune date for the beginning of next month and we would have loved to have dyno tunes, but the shops with dynos were outrageous.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:16 AM   #10
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Road tuning is a bad idea full time...it's dangerous and risky. If you make a habit of road tuning by the shop then cops will make a habit of sitting outside of it.

The problem with dealing with opensource tuning is that you're pretty much limited in how far you can go. I love the opensource stuff, but it won't work on my car anymore. Big cams, big turbos, MAF-less tuning, etc. You'll have to get the dealers licenses for at least Cobb, probably TXS and a few others just so you have access to the tuning software.

The Dyno is a hefty investment, but if you make it affordable then I'll be on it constantly. Squidz and I are putting together a tune date for the beginning of next month and we would have loved to have dyno tunes, but the shops with dynos were outrageous.
Well, eventually I intend on offering licensable packages from cobb, txs, ect. But I really just want to start off as a dyno stop - I will tune you if you like but if not have at and dont break my machine haha
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:19 AM   #11
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While were on this topic - are there any machines that ya'll shy away from or ones you recommend since it sounds like you have probably been on quite a few...
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:22 AM   #12
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If you're going to get one, get a Dyno Dynamics or a Mustang. Load-rated dynos are more accurate and don't require as much road tuning after the dyno time. They won't make the high numbers like Dynojets or Dynapaks, but they're more accurate. Dynapak doesn't give a true WHP reading, it's a crank-hp number.

That said, I refuse to put my car on Alamo's Dynojet and hate Dynapaks, so I might be a little biased.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:28 AM   #13
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If all goes as planned, where would this shop be?
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:32 AM   #14
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Near HWY 380 & FM 423...
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:00 PM   #15
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Nice...about ten minutes away that would be nice.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:22 PM   #16
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I'll make visits up to Frisco to do some road/dyno tuning.

Nothing like extra mod $$$$.

I can prolly get more than one tuner to fly out too.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:26 PM   #17
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Road tuning is a bad idea full time...it's dangerous and risky. If you make a habit of road tuning by the shop then cops will make a habit of sitting outside of it.

The problem with dealing with opensource tuning is that you're pretty much limited in how far you can go. I love the opensource stuff, but it won't work on my car anymore. Big cams, big turbos, MAF-less tuning, etc. You'll have to get the dealers licenses for at least Cobb, probably TXS and a few others just so you have access to the tuning software.

The Dyno is a hefty investment, but if you make it affordable then I'll be on it constantly. Squidz and I are putting together a tune date for the beginning of next month and we would have loved to have dyno tunes, but the shops with dynos were outrageous.
Really? You have the exact same setup as Freon. He has not abandoned open source, oh wait, he is making his own speed density stuff and sharing it with all of us.
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Also, you can still MAF tune a GT35R. You just halve the load values and corresponding tables tricking the ECU into thinking it has 1/2 the air it is pumping.
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Its already started. TJ, get me a gun...
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Its already started. TJ, get me a gun...
Man, you should look at some of Big Al's posts and research his rise to tuner glory at DynoFlash. He makes my ego look like one of a mouse.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:58 PM   #21
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<---- member # ****o, I know who Al is.
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<---- member # ****o, I know who Al is.
My brain is half dead. His ego is almost as big as ours put together.

I always rib him about it too in the other forums.
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Old 01-08-2008, 09:05 PM   #23
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Near HWY 380 & FM 423...


wow - that's right down the road from me. There are a lot of open roads along there.
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Old 01-08-2008, 09:12 PM   #24
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well, when my car is finished, and given it doesnt explode (again), ill be able to vouch for theshadow...

the gaskets are on their way keith, ill have them in this sunday, we can resume tuning next week!
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Only challenge now is getting some financing in order...unless I can get a wealthy partner this might take some time...
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