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Old 02-01-2002, 05:03 PM   #1
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Question For those who have used McGard and Kyokugen...

Just wondering your thoughts on this comparison. I know the whole "which is better" thing can be argued endlessly.

the wheel: Rota Tarmacs
which lock/lugs? McGard Splinedrives $85 or the Kyokugens $45.

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Old 02-01-2002, 07:27 PM   #2
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I've never used the McGard Splinedrives but I'm using the Kyokugens with my Rota Subzeros. Although I don't really know how to judge lugnuts...they work well for me. The black is a good match for my gunmetal wheels/black car. They're about half the weight of the stock lugs but I don't think that really matters. The only thing that worries me is the durability of the key. I hand torque all my lugnuts with a torque wrench so I think it should be ok.
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Old 02-01-2002, 11:35 PM   #3
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basically, a lug nut is a lug nut. the kyokugen is gonna be a lil lighter than the mcgard. but with so many people getting kyokugens, your rims will be that much more easier to steal.
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Old 02-02-2002, 11:38 AM   #4
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I have seen and used both and prefer the McGard Spline Lugs. I went with 4 splines and one lock per wheel all black. I too have the ROTA Tarmac whees. For the extra look and sercurity go with the McGard slines. I agree with girl, Kyokugens are common enough that I would want a lock for each wheel. If you autocross or rally I would go with the Kyokugens.

I paid $92 shipped to my door for a complete kit in black.

16 lugs /w tool
4 locks /w tool
4 Valves and Stems and caps(Chrome)

(Chrome valve stems and caps does not make sense in the kit because they are chrome and my set up is all Gun Metal)

Contact Rob at rob@ccauto1.com. He ajusted his prices

Also if you type WRX in as the coupon you will recieve 10% off any of his other items (NOT THE LUGS.... Lugs are already discounted rock bottom) Contact Rob for the details

http://store.yahoo.com/cruisecontrol...arwheello.html

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Old 02-02-2002, 11:53 AM   #5
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I just ordered from summit racing here is the description

MCG-65554BK Spline drive 20 lug kit, M12 x 1.25, with wheel locks, black chrome $84.95
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Old 02-02-2002, 02:07 PM   #6
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I paid the same shipped to my door as the summit racing price and received them quick beings that they were drop shipped directly from Mcgard. New reduced prices from Cruise Control Auto

Rob at rob@ccauto1.com

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Old 02-02-2002, 02:58 PM   #7
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I have a set of Kyokugens and a set of Black McGard spline drives. I plan to use the McGards when on the road, and switching to the Kyokugens when racing. If I could have only one set though, I'd get the McGards for the extra security/theft deterence.
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Old 02-02-2002, 05:24 PM   #8
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Thanks for all the info everyone.
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Old 02-02-2002, 06:35 PM   #9
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the only thing i can tell you is with the kyokugen:

make sure if you have the car serviced that they dont use phenumatic air tools, it will round the edges of the lugs, i learned the hard way, otherwise they are nice, and a very good price.

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Old 02-02-2002, 11:24 PM   #10
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It's generally not a good idea to run open lugnuts on wheels that don't have a cap that covers the nuts.
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Old 02-09-2002, 02:28 PM   #11
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$85 I paid $35 more than summit when it was all said and done. I shop from summit for my 67 Chevelle too. This trying to find the best price can be draining Thanks for pointing this out to us....

Oh well ever noticed there is always a better deal to be had elsewhere and its always after you purchase the item.

Yeah The vender credited me back $34 and matched Summits price. He was not happy when I told him but he did in fact credit me the difference It was not his policy to do this on special orders like mine but he honored it. Thanks Rob

He can be contacted at rob@ccauto1.com. He also mentioned a 10% off other items if you type WRX in as the coupon . For any details conatct him directly he is quick to respond

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Old 06-11-2002, 06:16 AM   #12
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Also got the black Splinedrive install kit from Summit Racing for my Rota Tarmacs. Carrying 2 keys in the glovebox can be noisy sometimes though.
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Old 06-13-2002, 11:47 PM   #13
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Me too hey FYI......

I star torqued them down to 65 Lbs. using a torque wrench would you believe some how some way I managed to loose a Mc Guard lock lugs on the front passenger side. I'm thinking perhapes in all the excitment I missed one but I seriously doubt it. After I torque them down I drove about 20 miles and rechecked them so I doubt I would have missed it twice. I'm using the splines on Rota Tarmac 17"

Also be aware that those Center Caps on the Rota Tarmacs when using the rings will not last. after about 3000 miles the center caps fell off one by one so I just took them off all together. I will try to get replacments but I'm sure it will keep happening. Overall I like the wheels and for the price they are great. I take corners pretty hard which may explain the center caps
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Old 06-14-2002, 12:57 AM   #14
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Why not use both? I mean, if you're really paranoid about theft of your wheels.

The Kyokugens are 7 sided, and the McGard have their own fancy doodad to deter theft, and then to be really anal you can run one wheel lock too.

Me...I'm just using Kyokugens with one McGard OEM lock. Kinda weird...silver Tarmacs with black lugs and a chrome/silver lock. It's like I'm holding the wheels onto the hub with just one lock.
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Old 06-14-2002, 01:30 PM   #15
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Quote:
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Me...I'm just using Kyokugens with one McGard OEM lock. Kinda weird...silver Tarmacs with black lugs and a chrome/silver lock. It's like I'm holding the wheels onto the hub with just one lock.
Why not scribble on the McGard with a black permanent marker?

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I would, but that's quite ghetto...
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Sorry, I'm from New York...
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Old 06-14-2002, 04:52 PM   #19
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Which kit did you get, Rattler? I don't see the proper kit for a Subaru on Summit's site and Rob at Cruise Control Auto is out of them AND McGard themselves are backordered on the kit for Subarus (MCG-65554BK).
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PN# 65554BK

12 x 1.25

Thats the number right off the box.Its an installation kit.

Summit told me that they would ship directly from McGard. It took about a week. I usually get stuff from Summit in a day or 2.

I found a neat little platic bag they give you for the locks in the box too! No more rattles from the 2 keys banging together now!
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Old 06-18-2002, 08:13 AM   #22
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Thanks, I'll try Summit although it sounds like I'm a week late or so and they're backordered now
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Old 06-18-2002, 08:18 AM   #23
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Old 08-17-2002, 07:20 PM   #24
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I have kyokugens. They are supposedly the lightest ones. But i doubt that it makes much of a difference.
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i have the Kyokugens.

They're nice but the tool that comes with them it total crap. After having the wheels on and off the car a few times I have problems with the lugs getting stuck in the socket and i have to grab them with vicegrips to get them out.

spend the extra money and get the McGards. if i could do it over again I would.
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