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Old 01-15-2008, 11:38 AM   #1
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Hey guys, haven't found any precise threads on this. My question is... I have an 02 WRX and want the following:

- evoIII 16g
- huge turboxs TMIC (staying top-mount for now)
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- pe650 injectors
- water/alch injection

Can I run this on stock internals? Any of you that a similiar set-up or larger on stock internals? Is this safe with a good tune or is this pushing it? Please, don't tell me about how the power will be hard on my tranny.... PPG's sucka!
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:46 AM   #2
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Here is my setup on stock internals:
FP EvoIII 16G
Hyperflow TMIC
255/lph Walbro
Deatchworks 650's
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3in Turboback
Open source tune

This with a good tune should put you between 300-320 and that is kinda safe for stock internals. Just be carefull thats all. Good luck and expect to spend alotta money.
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:50 AM   #3
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careful, yes....

also dont expect to have the stock motor go past 80k with those mods.

*CHECK YOUR OIL LIKE EVERYDAY*
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Old 01-15-2008, 11:56 AM   #4
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yeah, see... I've heard that this would be safe and seems like I've heard of others running around the 350whp range and that's what I'm shooting for. I just don't want to get into rods, pistons, etc. I will eventually (like, when my motor blows or in about 4 years) drop a 2.5L in it and go rotated but I want something more than stg2 to tide me over. I really like the idea of the aforementioned set-up but I don't want to blow it up, ya' know?

** just saw the "your engine won't last past 80k" comment. I certainly don't want that. So... what would I need to run that safely OR what other "safer" set-up would you recco? I need more power but I need a reliable car. Ah... the balance of work and pleasure, desire and necessity. lol.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:07 PM   #5
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I am trying to achieve the same amount of power, but iplan new internals, 20g, front mount, 650 injectors, wallbro fuel pump. I also plan on obtaining an 8000 rpm redline. Goodluck on the build.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:09 PM   #6
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i have 60k on my car and its fine and as long as you dont beat on it all the time and keep up with regular maintenance you will be fine. I also plan on going built block and rotated when it grenades. Good Luck
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:12 PM   #7
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any idea on what kind of upgraded internals would be needed to max out that set-up? Forged pistons, I know, but what else and how much is some of that? I just assume it would be more cost-effective to wait for a complete engine swap later down the line but maybe I'm wrong? I don't know, I just know I need more power and want to do it safely.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:13 PM   #8
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I would say more power and reliability are two words that dont go together. With mods like that you may run into some problems down the road and then you have to play detective to figure out where the issue is. Do you really want the hastle of knowing that you are pushing your motor to its limits, checking your oil every day All I am saying is that you and others that have done it are taking a risk of blowing something up. What is the real problem, are you trying to get to work faster. And I read your first post saying "dont tell me about my tranny". Well with that power you better consider your trans, because one mis shift, and it could go boom Now when you think about it, is that really a risk you are willing to take?
Just think about it. If something breaks, will you have the cash to fix it. Again, I am not trying to discourage you, just saying what might happen.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:15 PM   #9
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think of it this a way. stock= restrictions= reliable

no restrictions= fun= bigger turbo= not so reliable.

there is no "hit this amount of miles and your car goes boom", but it is safe to say from past owners that our little 2.slows rarely make it past said named benchmark with those types of mods.

im at 60k now stg2- ic hoses, short ram, header, UP, DP, Exhaust, ECUtek road tune. i dont kill my motor at all and expect it to be good for over 100k, if i keep it that long.

it seems the bearings in our motors are the crap point, due to improper oil levels.

think maybe vf series turbo, that will be more reliable than the evo III, but not as fun.

up to you man, your car, yourr rules. good luck!
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:18 PM   #10
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I think its all in the tune, obviously the higher mileage you got the tougher it is on the motor, but I've seen really conservative tunes with 18G's 20's even and dudes have been pushing them for a long time.

Tell your tuner your looking to daily drive and that you dont wan't an agressive map.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:18 PM   #11
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^^^^^With the proper oil level in the car at all times, you shouldn't have an problem with the spun bearing though, right?
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:18 PM   #12
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If I decide to not go with 8000 rpm redline I am gonna go with forged pistons, new rods, bearings, apr studs and maybe cams. If I go 8000 rpm then I am going to get a new crank as well.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:22 PM   #13
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^^^^^With the proper oil level in the car at all times, you shouldn't have an problem with the spun bearing though, right?
yes, correct, but it seems like some owners dont check that, therefore becoming a problem fast, making your car slow
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:27 PM   #14
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I would say more power and reliability are two words that dont go together. With mods like that you may run into some problems down the road and then you have to play detective to figure out where the issue is. Do you really want the hastle of knowing that you are pushing your motor to its limits, checking your oil every day All I am saying is that you and others that have done it are taking a risk of blowing something up. What is the real problem, are you trying to get to work faster. And I read your first post saying "dont tell me about my tranny". Well with that power you better consider your trans, because one mis shift, and it could go boom Now when you think about it, is that really a risk you are willing to take?
Just think about it. If something breaks, will you have the cash to fix it. Again, I am not trying to discourage you, just saying what might happen.
Good luck
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nah, you're good and your input is appreciated. I'm here to learn, not front like I know everything. I'm inquiring and your helping so no sweat.

The reason I say that about the tranny is that I have PPG's now so I didn't need a lecture on how "the stock tranny can't hold that power" b/c that is not the case in my case.

I'm not so foolish as to throw junk on my car that will destroy it. That's why I'm trying to figure out what it takes (specifically) to get a 2.0L to that mark safely OR what can I do to add some nice power on stock internals without being that near teh danger zone.

Everyone should know that I'm not a kid. I saved for a long time to buy this car and I treat it with the fear and respect it deserves. I RARELY run it up to 6k RPM and have launched once ever and don't plan to again unless I make a 1/4 run on a track. Not into drag racing (but may on rare occassion) but I do want to eventually make mine a time attack monster (after new motor and several years). So... all that being said, can we continue to talk this over and see what I may be able to do for now?
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:35 PM   #15
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hopefully Audiosavvy will join us in a moment and maybe he has some ideas. He's going to be running the same set-up I mentioned earlier minus the water/alch injection and seems to think it's good to go on stock intenals and that there shouldn't be much cause for concern. I know people are going to have different opinions but let's try to see some logic here.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:36 PM   #16
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vf 34
550 cc
walbro
heder back exhaust
sti tmic
tmic splitter
stock airbox with k&n minus snorkus
new clutch
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:38 PM   #17
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vf 34
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and what kind of whp are we looking at on something like that? Man.. honestly I'm bummed that my game-plan may not be such a good one. I aim to know for sure though.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:40 PM   #18
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Mods mentioned are safe for your car.
Try not to pump too much boost. The fact that you will have meth or alcohol, that can be good for about 20 - 22 psi.
But try not to go above that.
I have a friend with a VF22 and he has no injection system and pumps 22 psi.
This setup has been running now for over a year and he is on the track (drag) every other weekend.
His best time is 12.9 and he is making 280whp on our 90 octane pump gas.
And remember, Jamaica is pretty warm.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:42 PM   #19
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and what kind of whp are we looking at on something like that? Man.. honestly I'm bummed that my game-plan may not be such a good one. I aim to know for sure though.
300-310whp range.

best of the vf series. though smaller than the evoIII 16g. i like both and would put either on i guess.
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Old 01-15-2008, 12:51 PM   #20
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Accessport v2, UP, DP, CATBACK, SAMCO HOSES, INTAKE, AVCR, TT, DEFI GUAGES, BOV, and a vf22 runing 16 psi constantly. My fiance' drives this thing with a lead foot. Everything is going awesome. I am only at 20k on an 02 but she is a stickler for the oil changes/checks. Make sure that you stay/drive practical. I only know that in a few thousand miles I get to upgrade so I tell her to drive the pooh out of it! You should be good bro

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Old 01-15-2008, 12:58 PM   #21
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115,000 on my 02 and have had the vf22 on there since about 73,000. I drive it every day. I don't autox yet and do the drag thing occasionally. But I do like to open it up at times and am lucky enough to have a couple of real good roads a mile form my house. So the car gets it share of abuse. Be deligent with your maintnance. Your car will be fine with the 16G and the other mods. The meth/h2o will help get you to where want and probably a little safer. You may want to think about ewg for greater boost control. Maybe an oil cooler might help the motor but I think your safe as long as you have a good tuner.
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Accessport v2, UP, DP, CATBACK, SAMCO HOSES, INTAKE, AVCR, TT, DEFI GUAGES, BOV, and a vf22 runing 16 psi constantly. My fiance' drives this thing with a lead foot. Everything is going awesome. I am only at 20k on an 02 but she is a stickler for the oil changes/checks. Make sure that you stay/drive practical. I only know that in a few thousand miles I get to upgrade so I tell her to drive the pooh out of it! You should be good bro

Take care from Iraqistan!
Dang dude you only have 20k on the original motor? You know that you could pump the boost up a tad more to like 19 and have a real good time. Oh never mind I see your Fiance' is the one driving and you didn't list any fuel mods. She might pop before you get back home. Good luck soldier
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I have a blouch evoIII, 650cc, meth/water, spearco tmic, aps turboback, and protuned by Scott Siegel at TopSpeed. 22psi peak boost tapering down to 18 at redline over 300whp. I have 60,000 miles on it now and he said i should be able to get another 100,000 miles off it. Of course I dont drive like a maniac all the time but i do push it on the weekends. stock internals, tranny and clutch
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thats what i want but with a fmic!
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I have a blouch evoIII, 650cc, meth/water, spearco tmic, aps turboback, and protuned by Scott Siegel at TopSpeed. 22psi peak boost tapering down to 18 at redline over 300whp. I have 60,000 miles on it now and he said i should be able to get another 100,000 miles off it. Of course I dont drive like a maniac all the time but i do push it on the weekends. stock internals, tranny and clutch
THAT is what I'm talking about!!! I have about 55k miles on mine and I had already planned on getting tuned at TopSpeed. I still have friends in ATL and thought I'd go there next time I'm down. That sounds excellent! So what's with the naysayers?
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