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Old 01-15-2008, 02:47 PM   #26
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I am definitely putting all my trust in Scotts word with the 100,000 miles more. He has tuned more than 500 subarus in the past 4 years so he has gotta know his stuff. if you want an all around car the evoIII is great. But if you want more of a drag subie with around 30whp more you might want to look at the 18g. He is the tuner of the fastest 02-05 wrx. 11.7 quarter with an 18g,fmic,100%meth, etc.
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Old 01-15-2008, 02:49 PM   #27
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wow, let the blind lead the blind.......you are not gonna be pushing the limits of your motor with a evo3 setup.

to the people saying that your car will not last past 80k..

Im at 83k here on my 16g setup(21 psi, made 280/260 on a dynodynamics). I was at vishnu stage 2 @ 27k miles, bumped to stage 4 (current setup) since 45k miles....engine has not missed beat.

Ive done about 5 auto-x with this setup, and been to the strip once (when the car was basically stock).....stock tranny, and clutch. Nothings wrong with my car...still running strong.

Yes engine oil is very important (specifically oil formulations). Do some research on BITOG and get some UOA's done on your engine oil. I do keep an eye on my oil, and check it atleast twice a week in the morning before i start the car for work....cause ej205's will consume oil.

Keep up with the maintanance items and oil changes and your car will probably last a lot longer that you want it to....i kinda want to blow up my setup so i can do a swap, but its just doesnt want to.
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Old 01-15-2008, 02:54 PM   #28
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....i kinda want to blow up my setup so i can do a swap, but its just doesnt want to.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:02 PM   #29
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Mods mentioned are safe for your car.
Try not to pump too much boost. The fact that you will have meth or alcohol, that can be good for about 20 - 22 psi.
But try not to go above that.
I have a friend with a VF22 and he has no injection system and pumps 22 psi.
This setup has been running now for over a year and he is on the track (drag) every other weekend.
His best time is 12.9 and he is making 280whp on our 90 octane pump gas.
And remember, Jamaica is pretty warm.
cool. we've got 93 octane at the pump here.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:03 PM   #30
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think maybe vf series turbo, that will be more reliable than the evo III, but not as fun.

How is it more reliable? If anything, it is less so, especially with the inherent crack on a lot of VF39s. Also, the MHI turbos can be rebuilt and compressor wheels can be changed
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:11 PM   #31
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wow, let the blind lead the blind.......you are not gonna be pushing the limits of your motor with a evo3 setup.

to the people saying that your car will not last past 80k..

Im at 83k here on my 16g setup(21 psi, made 280/260 on a dynodynamics). I was at vishnu stage 2 @ 27k miles, bumped to stage 4 (current setup) since 45k miles....engine has not missed beat.

Ive done about 5 auto-x with this setup, and been to the strip once (when the car was basically stock).....stock tranny, and clutch. Nothings wrong with my car...still running strong.

Yes engine oil is very important (specifically oil formulations). Do some research on BITOG and get some UOA's done on your engine oil. I do keep an eye on my oil, and check it atleast twice a week in the morning before i start the car for work....cause ej205's will consume oil.

Keep up with the maintanance items and oil changes and your car will probably last a lot longer that you want it to....i kinda want to blow up my setup so i can do a swap, but its just doesnt want to.
This is good to know. Thank you! So you're pushing about 280whp so with water/meth injection I could possibly see ~320whp, huh? That would be ideal. If I can break the 300whp mark safely, I will be happy for a few years until I go crazy and do an engine swap. Stage II just isn't doing it for me. yeah, yeah, I know what you are all thinking, I'll be bored with the 16g after a while too and while that may be true, I think I can be happy with it for a good long while.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:18 PM   #32
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To give some more advise based on my mod exp:

If you want >310whp you will need larger turbo than vf/16g variants. If your are pushing a vf/16g varient over 300whp, you are probably on a fairly aggresive tune....for reliability sake (this is what is important to you right?) spec out a larger turbo and a more conservative tune.

IMO, not many try to push the ej205 to its limits because its lack of displacement and revs make it simply not worth dealing with after you get to the 18g/20g level (fp green forget aboutit). It seems more cost effective to do a 2.5L sb swap (only like $1800 for block alone) at that point. Ive only seen one person on here (japslapr) build his ej205, hes getting it tuned soon so we can see the results.

If you want to increase the revs, you need to work the heads not the sb....i dont see why you would want to replace the crank for 8k rpm redline......thats all in the heads.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:21 PM   #33
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This is good to know. Thank you! So you're pushing about 280whp so with water/meth injection I could possibly see ~320whp, huh? That would be ideal. If I can break the 300whp mark safely, I will be happy for a few years until I go crazy and do an engine swap. Stage II just isn't doing it for me. yeah, yeah, I know what you are all thinking, I'll be bored with the 16g after a while too and while that may be true, I think I can be happy with it for a good long while.
you can make 300whp on your setup right now, just change the correction factor

Idk what my setup would do with 100% meth inj. I was this close <> to installing one in my car last summer but decided not to....i sold it. I may just buy another one this yr cause i need more power!

My buddy had a evo3 16g setup with a fmic and put down 310/290 on the same dyno......a couple months later he sold it for a STI. I guess he really didnt like the lag with his setup...
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:23 PM   #34
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Ive only seen one person on here (japslapr) build his ej205, hes getting it tuned soon so we can see the results.
you should look harder.

what do you think people did before the ej257 even existed, and 207 blocks were 5 figures?
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:29 PM   #35
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Hey guys, haven't found any precise threads on this. My question is... I have an 02 WRX and want the following:

- evoIII 16g
- huge turboxs TMIC (staying top-mount for now)
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- pe650 injectors
- water/alch injection

Can I run this on stock internals? Any of you that a similiar set-up or larger on stock internals? Is this safe with a good tune or is this pushing it? Please, don't tell me about how the power will be hard on my tranny.... PPG's sucka!
I had stock internals with a TD05h20g setup for about 6 months before I spun a bearing like 75% of the other stock internal 2.0's! I was making 320whp on a dyno dynamics dyno.
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This is good to know. Thank you! So you're pushing about 280whp so with water/meth injection I could possibly see ~320whp, huh? That would be ideal. If I can break the 300whp mark safely, I will be happy for a few years until I go crazy and do an engine swap. Stage II just isn't doing it for me. yeah, yeah, I know what you are all thinking, I'll be bored with the 16g after a while too and while that may be true, I think I can be happy with it for a good long while.

Depending on the tune, you could see 340-350whp with meth. I actually WILL be doing meth with my setup, but not for a while. Talking about the reliablity of 300 whp on the stock block, you also have to be careful how much boost you run. Depending on the tuner, you will likely run 18.5-21 on pump gas, 22-26 on meth (again, depends on the tuner and goals). I think 22PSI on meth is conservative enough, and should make around 325whp (my goal). You don't seem to be the kind to flog your car all the time, so I think that with a little common sense and self-control, the block will last as long as you want. Just, as you said, respect and fear the car for what it can do.
As an example, my tuner has a 2.0 with 19G, EL headers, FMIC, stage 3 clutch, stock trans, stock block, with some other goodies. He's been at stage 4 for 50-70k miles, and beats the crap out of his car daily, and everything is still solid and in good shape. He's easily making 350whp with no probs. Not that I would do it to my car, but it can and has been done
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I had stock internals with a TD05h20g setup for about 6 months before I spun a bearing like 75% of the other stock internal 2.0's! I was making 320whp on a dyno dynamics dyno.

There are people that have done it at Stage 2 as well
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:45 PM   #38
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^^^ its all about the oil formulations. GIS Terry Dyson, he's is the man

Ride5000, you got a built ej205 too? Ive seen you on these boards for a while (since i got my car like 6 years ago), i know you have a wealth of info..we should meet up sometime for a beer or two.

When is the NESIC winter meet at buster bunnies (or whatever its called?)
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:54 PM   #39
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02 wrx 83xxx miles. FMIC, MEth, TD05 20g w/8cm housing. EWG, headers, supporting mods, satge 1 exedy clutch, act prolight flywheel, motor mounts, stock tranny, stock internals. Dyno jet dyno@ extreme motorsports made 337 whp and 325 wtq @22psi with 50/50 meth/water and a slipping clutch, Havent got tuned since new clutch, but tuner said 350-360 whp @24 psi.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:57 PM   #40
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^^^ its all about the oil formulations. GIS Terry Dyson, he's is the man

Ride5000, you got a built ej205 too? Ive seen you on these boards for a while (since i got my car like 6 years ago), i know you have a wealth of info..we should meet up sometime for a beer or two.

When is the NESIC winter meet at buster bunnies (or whatever its called?)
no no, not me. haven't had to replace any engine internals... yet!

just pointing out there have been other ej205 builds done over the years. most came out well, but as always it is HIGHLY dependent on who's doing the assembly.
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:11 PM   #41
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Man, it's been a while since I've said this but.... I LOVE THIS PLACE! THanks for all the info. Not that we need to stop here, keep it up! But it looks like I'll continue with my plans for the evoIII 16g. I like what I'm hearing and I think I'm responsible enough to check my oil regularly and take it easy. I don't intend to trounce it everyday as I've mentioned before. I won't ever take it over 6k RPM unless I'm feeling froggy. I usually shift ~3500 RPM normal driving and ~5500 if I'm playing or find a nice empty on/off ramp.

EDIT: also know that I will be getting tuned @ TopSpeed and not just some schmoe.

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^^ Good luck and have fun!

Viva la Bugeye mafia!
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"Bugeye mafia" I love it!
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:34 PM   #44
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Havent got tuned since new clutch, but tuner said 350-360 whp @24 psi.
that's probably about right - I put down 320 on a dyno dynamics (stock stis put down about 220)
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:06 PM   #45
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And I read your first post saying "dont tell me about my tranny". Well with that power you better consider your trans, because one mis shift, and it could go boom
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Wow dude read the ****in thread before you post. He has ppg's sucka

His tranny is very well capable of handling that power.
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Dont insult your tranny, build that motor and do a killer setup! haha IMO
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^^ I'm planning to do just that but I want to blow up my engine first.....

I really hate to pull out a prefectly running stock 2.0 block
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92k on my small 16g at 25psi. no problems here.
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hey foska_oats i am gonna call you out on this and ask if your friend is running a ej207? if so your point is completely invalid.
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hey foska_oats i am gonna call you out on this and ask if your friend is running a ej207? if so your point is completely invalid.
why would you think that?
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